Valvoline Restore & Protect

BobsArmory said:
I put R&P in two of our cars in early December.
1. Wife's 2016 Malibu, 120k miles on the odometer. Don't expect much since the previous three oil changes were with HPL but I will take apart the filter and see if I can find anything.
2. Daughters rust bucket 2007 Ford Fusion V6, 143k. This car will be interesting when I pull the filter. The problem with this one is that it had an oil leak somewhere on the engine. The leak has increased in volume quite a bit and will have to be fixed now. Probably cleaned some junk around a bad seal/gasket. I don't blame R&P for the leak since it's just doing what it's supposed to do.
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IMO, synths can just destroy seals based simply on chemistry compatibility. Valvoline's R&P cleaning component might be utilizing something that works like tetrachloroethylene but can work in oil.
 
Just made post of R+P that may be of interest . Scroll down .

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Post in thread 'LSJr. The TRUTH About Valvoline's BOLD Engine Cleaning Claims'

At Y.T. enter MidwestF150 where you'll find videos of oil analyses ( U.O.A. , V.O.A. ) , oil filter openings ( new + used ) and other things of interest . Many are new videos of R&P , P.U.P. , MicroGard oil filters , HONDA oil filter , Purolator , Wix (?) , etc.. There's also emails with VALVOLINE about Restore + Protect .
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VersatileGuy said:
IMO, synths can just destroy seals based simply on chemistry compatibility. Valvoline's R&P cleaning component might be utilizing something that works like tetrachloroethylene but can work in oil.
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Are you are thinking about the seal incompatibility (shrink tendency) of PAO (Group IV) base oils? If so, that behaviour is neutralized by the inclusion of something with seal conditioning properties like AN's or esters.
 
OVERKILL said:
Are you are thinking about the seal incompatibility (shrink tendency) of PAO (Group IV) base oils? If so, that behaviour is neutralized by the inclusion of something with seal conditioning properties like AN's or esters.
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True. Most synthetics on the market are likely balanced well, though not necessarily all of them.

Also, I don’t believe there being any indication that R&P is heavily PAO based; if at all, though I haven’t looked at a SDS. It’s more likely to be Group III+ / GTL. And, it’s far more likely cleaning was done around a seal that was going to leak otherwise if not for being dirty. The cleansing action more than likely revealed an underlying issue; not a seal swelling issue. If a seal is bad and happens to be covered with deposits and varnish enough to prevent a leak, one must wonder if that neglect didn’t also contribute to the seal going bad in the first place; being the real cause of the leak not what happened to be the oil in the sump at time of leak.
 
ltslimjim said:
True. Most synthetics on the market are likely balanced well, though not necessarily all of them.

Also, I don’t believe there being any indication that R&P is heavily PAO based; if at all, though I haven’t looked at a SDS. It’s more likely to be Group III+ / GTL. And, it’s far more likely cleaning was done around a seal that was going to leak otherwise if not for being dirty. The cleansing action more than likely revealed an underlying issue; not a seal swelling issue. If a seal is bad and happens to be covered with deposits and varnish enough to prevent a leak, one must wonder if that neglect didn’t also contribute to the seal going bad in the first place; being the real cause of the leak not what happened to be the oil in the sump at time of leak.
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Yeah, all the approvals have elastomer compatibility as a component, so that issue is unlikely to rear its head unless you are using an unapproved product from an incompetent blender, which definitely doesn't describe Valvoline.

I wasn't thinking R&P was PAO-based, just figured that's what he was thinking of with his comment.
 
OVERKILL said:
Yeah, all the approvals have elastomer compatibility as a component, so that issue is unlikely to rear its head unless you are using an unapproved product from an incompetent blender, which definitely doesn't describe Valvoline.

I wasn't thinking R&P was PAO-based, just figured that's what he was thinking of with his comment.
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Got it, the post before was quoting another that someone said an existing leak got worse on R&P, but even they didn’t blame R&P for the seal being bad in the first place.

I guess it still stands to reason that it’s possible a bad seal being cleaned could spring a hidden leak. There’s the risk of that happening with simply improved maintenance even on conventional oil and eventually enough general cleansing taking place.

There’s a rear main leak that is fairly slow on my Fit. But that won’t stop me from trying R&P later this year if it could slow consumption through cleaning stuck control rings. Burning through Amsoil SS gets expensive. 🥴
 
ltslimjim said:
Got it, the post before was quoting another that someone said an existing leak got worse on R&P, but even they didn’t blame R&P for the seal being bad in the first place.

I guess it still stands to reason that it’s possible a bad seal being cleaned could spring a hidden leak. There’s the risk of that happening with simply improved maintenance even on conventional oil and eventually enough general cleansing taking place.

There’s a rear main leak that is fairly slow on my Fit. But that won’t stop me from trying R&P later this year if it could slow consumption through cleaning stuck control rings. Burning through Amsoil SS gets expensive. 🥴
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My '87 Mustang had cork valve cover gaskets. I started running M1 in it and they started to leak like a sieve. It wasn't because the cork shrank or that it negatively interacted with the M1, the M1 probably just cleaned up some deposits that were keeping the leaks plugged and with them removed, the leaks returned. New gaskets solved the problem.
 
OVERKILL said:
Yeah, all the approvals have elastomer compatibility as a component, so that issue is unlikely to rear its head unless you are using an unapproved product from an incompetent blender, which definitely doesn't describe Valvoline.

I wasn't thinking R&P was PAO-based, just figured that's what he was thinking of with his comment.
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I installed a new VVT solenoid for a Toyota Matrix with a new seal. I made sure to clean the metal around it to see if it would leak again. Now, I'm not 100% sure it was the Supertech synthetic oil, but there is indication oil is getting on the metal directly below the solenoid. The o-Ring is new as the solenoid is new.

There is no miracle by adjusting the formulation with regards to chemical properties. Most engine seals, if not all, are nitrile of some sort, and not Viton. They all will wear, but some things will wear them faster than others. High mileage oil, for example, is a highly sus product in which the so called conditioners are precisely incompatible compounds with nitrile seals.
 
VersatileGuy said:
I installed a new VVT solenoid for a Toyota Matrix with a new seal. I made sure to clean the metal around it to see if it would leak again. Now, I'm not 100% sure it was the Supertech synthetic oil, but there is indication oil is getting on the metal directly below the solenoid. The o-Ring is new as the solenoid is new.
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Perhaps there's a small score on the bore that is letting oil by the o-ring?
VersatileGuy said:
There is no miracle by adjusting the formulation with regards to chemical properties.
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PAO has a tendency to shrink seals. Some esters have a tendency to swell them. It's not a miracle, you simply blend them so that the one cancels out the other. That's why we have seal compatibility test standards.
https://www.savantlab.com/elastomer-testing/
VersatileGuy said:
Most engine seals, if not all, are nitrile of some sort, and not Viton. They all will wear, but some things will wear them faster than others. High mileage oil, for example, is a highly sus product in which the so called conditioners are precisely incompatible compounds with nitrile seals.
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Most commonly available "High Mileage" oils meet the API requirements for elastomer compatibility, linked above. That includes compatibility with nitrile:
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I sent another email to Valvoline this morning asking about when this oil might be available in retail stores and they said that it is available in NAPA stores up here. As far as Canadian Tire and Walmart goes, they said that the decision to have this oil in those stores is based upon the decision of those stores to stock it or not, based upon consumer demand. So hopefully these stores will see how popular it is in the USA and decide to sell it as well.

I just checked NAPA online and it doesn’t show Restore & Protect though 🤔
 
Has Valvoline released anything explaining how VRP compares to High Mileage oils ability to improve seals for leak protection? I found the FAQ on their website that says it cleans better but doesn't offer much in the way of an explanation of leak protection.

I have no doubt this question is asked somewhere in this thread but with 97 pages... if anyone happens to know the answer or a link, it would be appreciated.
 
Patman said:
I sent another email to Valvoline this morning asking about when this oil might be available in retail stores and they said that it is available in NAPA stores up here. As far as Canadian Tire and Walmart goes, they said that the decision to have this oil in those stores is based upon the decision of those stores to stock it or not, based upon consumer demand. So hopefully these stores will see how popular it is in the USA and decide to sell it as well.

I just checked NAPA online and it doesn’t show Restore & Protect though 🤔
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I called NAPA in Ottawa and they said they can get it but only in 5 gallon jugs.

In the video below, at 7:30, he talks about those 5 gallon jugs.

 
Just a civilian pilot said:
I called NAPA in Ottawa and they said they can get it but only in 5 gallon jugs.

In the video below, at 7:30, he talks about those 5 gallon jugs.

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5 Quart Jugs!
I have enough issues pouring a 5-quart jug when I change my oil. The good old days of pouring quarts containers of:

1) Mobil 1
2) Castrol GTX
3) Valvoline

I am not doing the 5 Gallon thing. LOL
 
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