Triple_Se7en
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Find an auto parts store that sells (2) quarts of either Mobil-1 or Castrol 5w50. Use one quart in each of your next two OCIs.
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Valvoline Restore & Protect
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Why?
I’ve long been aware of RP but I’m not familiar with the composition of that oil nor its actual results in engines.
Is there something about RP that produces VRP-like results?
Yes. Primarily spark ignited but diesel also.
It's because the rate of oil degradation is very tightly correlated in most duty cycles to the rate of power production (fuel consumption rate).
At the margin in extreme cases, the ratio doesn't hold. Don't use it to determine ODI for your race car. But for street-driven vehicles, it's a surprisingly universally applicable RoT.
I like the SWRI formula
works good for all of my vehicles
What's the significance of those two specific oils if you don't mind me asking?
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He was just masking a suggestion to thicken the R&P as the offender was afraid of the 5w30 being too thin as the Dodge recommends 0w40.
Those are 2 fairly available off the shelf 5w50 synthetic oils
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Sorry for the typos.
He was just making a suggestion to thicken the R&P as the commenter was afraid of the 5w30 being too thin as Dodge recommends 0w40.
Those are 2 fairly available off the shelf 5w50 synthetic oils
I have no scientific proof how good Rislone performs for stuck oil rings but before there was a Valvoline R&P I would add a bottle of Rislone to my new oil every other fill specifically for cleaning oil rings .
Triple_Se7en
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Those-2 are usually what's on the shelf there. Other brands in 5w50?..... less odds of finding them.
Triple_Se7en
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Why ever-other? I use it every oil change in these Hyunkia's..... even with Amsoil and HPL 0ils.
Those Theta 2 2.4s and 2.0s are "not-to-be-trusted" / 'not worthwhile for longetivity' engines.
Feed them what you feel is best and for carbon sake, it sure isn't ESP, unless what you're seeking is extended OCIs
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ESP isn’t really made for extended intervals (that’s where EP comes in) and it’s a great oil for keeping carbon at bay. Stop spreading misinformation here
ThisESP isn’t really made for extended intervals (that’s where EP comes in) and it’s a great oil for keeping carbon at bay. Stop spreading misinformation here
ESP carries Porsche c30 which clearly targets deposits, sludge, wear, and oxidative thickening. Not to mention better Noack over api/dexos oils.- Joined
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Might have been asked before but is this oil ok to run indefinitely or is it only designed to be run for their 4 OCI or whatnot as a cleaner and then to be switched for somethin else
Indefinitely. 4 OCIs is the minimum to clean effectively.
If you look at CB900F2s screenshot the URL is valvolineglobal.com/en-ca which I’d take to be the english language Canadian site.
Somewhat related - I was in the UK recently and chatting with an old friend, cars came up and so did VRP. I went to valvolineglobal.com (the top level domain) and searched for “restore and protect” to see if it’s available over there. Couldn’t find any mention of it.
My point ? Just because the website says “global”, don’t think that it’s actually a consistent, world wide, customer facing resource. It knows where you are and responds with what Valvoline want to tell you.
Edit - just re-read what I said and I don’t want to come across as a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist *. They’re just marketing the product to the regions it’s available in and not talking about it where it’s not for sale.
* not today
Why is Valvoline Restore & Protect so unique?
The ability to clean pistons & rings and reduce or eliminate oil consumption is a game changer, but shouldn’t our current favorite oils have been doing this all along??
As with most great new product developments there is often a down side that’s not mentioned.
What may that be?
The ability to clean pistons & rings and reduce or eliminate oil consumption is a game changer, but shouldn’t our current favorite oils have been doing this all along??
As with most great new product developments there is often a down side that’s not mentioned.
What may that be?
Keeping things clean; i.e. the clean running ability of an oil, is different than being able to clean up what other oils left behind. Most modern synthetic oils can clean sludge and other precursors, but the piston rings are much harder to mitigate and much less fix once effected by said deposits.
Sometimes, it’s an engine design issue (such as early 2000s Saturn SL2 model) and other times it’s using a decent product, but extending the interval beyond service limits OR even a combination of both these aspects at play. Wrong oil for the intended use.
There doesn’t have to necessarily be a downside; unless discovered later that the oil is lacking in some way. It’s doubtful from a serviceable oil standpoint and more of an understanding of what the oil is “best suited” for and “not as good as others” in some aspects. Understanding this oil isn’t meant for extended intervals is probably the most obvious example of it compared to other synthetic oils.
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This is little bit late me replying here considering I was interested in trying out Valvoline since my truck is 21 years old with 205K miles on it. Well I had some maintenance work done on it this past month and we did it in 3 stages because was too many things was due for maintenance like spark plugs replacement and cleaning, intake manifold cleaning, front and rear differential seals, injectors cleaning and replacement, leaking engine seals left and right, new clutch, new oil pump, new fuel pump, new throttle body, draining and refilling the transmission and power steering and only one thing left is draining and refilling the radiator and that didn't got done because they couldn't find the recommended antifreeze I opt for. I will order it online and have it done on a day I'm off from work.
Interestingly enough since they had to replace the oil pan seal the mechanic got the chance to see the engine from below and he was shocked of how clean it was that it took picture from it and showed me. There wasn't even mild varnish anywhere, everything was silver color.
Bear in mind even though I used the Mobil 1 EP, my last 7-8 oil changes back to back were shady around 8K-12K miles / 8-12 months intervals and only using the 5W20 version and while yes I get on the interstate from time to time I get stuck in traffic a lot and I'm constantly lugging loads.
From what I saw on the picture there is zero need for me to be using the Valvoline, actually I was shocked how spotless clean the engine was kept for the last 7-8 years considering the shady oil changes. What an impressive oil the Mobil 1 EP is, I'm glad I have been using it for the past 20 years. I did only one thing different with the oil change this time around, I bumped up on the viscosity to 5W-30 and probably that's not needed but after 21 years of service its time for richer viscosity and I will make sure no more shady oil changes and stick to the 3K miles oil changes as I was doing the first 12-13 years. I'm sticking with the Mobil 1 no doubt!
Interestingly enough since they had to replace the oil pan seal the mechanic got the chance to see the engine from below and he was shocked of how clean it was that it took picture from it and showed me. There wasn't even mild varnish anywhere, everything was silver color.
Bear in mind even though I used the Mobil 1 EP, my last 7-8 oil changes back to back were shady around 8K-12K miles / 8-12 months intervals and only using the 5W20 version and while yes I get on the interstate from time to time I get stuck in traffic a lot and I'm constantly lugging loads.
From what I saw on the picture there is zero need for me to be using the Valvoline, actually I was shocked how spotless clean the engine was kept for the last 7-8 years considering the shady oil changes. What an impressive oil the Mobil 1 EP is, I'm glad I have been using it for the past 20 years. I did only one thing different with the oil change this time around, I bumped up on the viscosity to 5W-30 and probably that's not needed but after 21 years of service its time for richer viscosity and I will make sure no more shady oil changes and stick to the 3K miles oil changes as I was doing the first 12-13 years. I'm sticking with the Mobil 1 no doubt!
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