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CKolo said:
I did email Valvoline and received a somewhat expected response along the lines of “…it means Ford’s WSS-M2C961-A1 spec and therefore is safe for use.” This was specifically regarding Ford’s change to the oil pump driven belt in the F150 5.0 (which I own). I know 2.7’s have been using them for a while now but VRP is just now coming on the scene.
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Might be better to ask Ford if any oil that meets their spec for that engine may harm the wet belt. Could be all kinds of oils on the market may degrade the rubber belt over time that meet the Ford spec ... or not. Only time will tell, unless Ford can tell you with confidence that they've engineered and tested it to not be a concern or not a concern if certain oils are used. Does the OM have a big warning about what oils to use with the engines with the wet belt?
 
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That’s a great point @ZeeOSix. I’m from Southeast MI and have a few old Ford contacts in engineering. Doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll divulge anything to me and can’t remember where in engineering they were/are but I’ll give it a shot.
I am half-a$$ expecting them to say, “just use Motorcraft and you’ll be fine. 😂
 
cammyfive79 said:
Not to simplify it too much, but if consistent reports/evidence that it does clean this well continue to build, could one say this is very much like an HPL oil (as far as intensive cleaning abilities) but not for extended drain intervals?
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No, imo. From the evidence I’ve seen hpl and amsoil can help keep things clean and do some minor carbon/varnish removal. Vrp works much better to remove those same deposits
 
CKolo said:
I often wonder if there is, or will be any effect on the belt over time causing early belt degradation.
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If this helps at all, I’m running VRP 5W-30 in two 1.5L 3cylinder EcoBoosts right now, both have wet oil pump belts, and I’m not stressed about it. It meets 961-A1 and isn’t using ester for cleaning, so that’s good enough for me.
 
buster said:
I called Valvoline to ask them if they had any plans on making it dexos approved. He said it would absolutely meet the requirements but they don't see the need to spend the money on the certification at the moment. He also said they're getting a lot of inquiries on whether there will be a European grade and he said most likely there will be. He did mention that competitors are trying to come out with their own version. Not sure what he meant by that or how he would know that. He might have just been making a general statement that they likely will try being the product claims to be a new technology that no other oil can currently match at the moment.
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It is very understandable on the Dexos certification. But I’m even more excited about the possibility of a European grade. I would be willing to run that longer than just the 4 ocis if available
 
CKolo said:
Hello all.
Been researching the VRP for a while on this site and others. My question / concern is could there be any effect on wet belts with constant use of VRP? I realize this isn’t a harsh solvent like Premium Blue Restore, but I often wonder if there is, or will be any effect on the belt over time causing early belt degradation.
I did email Valvoline and received a somewhat expected response along the lines of “…it means Ford’s WSS-M2C961-A1 spec and therefore is safe for use.” This was specifically regarding Ford’s change to the oil pump driven belt in the F150 5.0 (which I own). I know 2.7’s have been using them for a while now but VRP is just now coming on the scene.
I’m curious as to the opinions from the site Wizards/Elders (lol) like @OVERKILL and
@MolaKule, as well as others with a tremendous amount of oil chemistry knowledge.
I keep thinking “for every action…equal and opposite..” and I know that’s Newton’s third law of motion and doesn’t apply here, but could the synergy of combined additives, that is doing an exceptional job at cleaning deposits, over the long term cause a negative reaction to the belt?
Thanks.
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From the response you received, I don't think Valvoline really knows the effect on the belt.

Has Valvoline actually tested their new formula mix against the WSS-M2C961-A1 spec in real time? It is not sufficient to say that since their basic addpack from an outside supplier covers it, but what about the basic addpack with the addition of their proprietary cleaning chemistry? How does the total mix affect the belt?

Valvoline's response, in my opinion, did not really address your question.
 
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A pic I snapped at my Autozone today. Buying up end caps. Valvoline must be investing a ton into advertising...

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buster said:
YT video from yesterday of another individual finding VRP is cleaning very well.

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That's a screen shot from my video. To elaborate a little, this is a 3.6L Pentastar engine in my Jeep that has 200,800 miles as of today. To the best of my knowledge this engine had been fed 0W20 dealership bulk oil (Pennzoil Ultra Platinum) throughout its life. The dipstick showed varnish all over it, and the oil fill cap had rust colored varnish inside it as well. I ran the Valvoline R&P oil for one week before pulling the dipstick for this video and the varnish was already starting to disappear. Pretty amazing stuff.

I still have minor concerns about oil filter overloading so I will swap in a new filter at 3,500 miles (I do 6k intervals) since it's a top load filter and it's so easy.
 
I have not. Not sure my van ('12 Chrysler T&C) has an oil cooler. Water pump a while ago and TIPM are about the only major replacements on the engine that have been done. Still running the original plugs believe it or not :oops:
 
So guys what's the verdicts regarding engine cleaning when comparing the VRP to lets say the top tiers of the rest of the brands such as Mobil 1 Extended Performance or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum or whatever Castrol top tier offers.

Is it really that much of a difference, or are we speaking maybe 5%-10% of cleanliness in favor of VRP vs the rest?

I understand every brand brings something to the table, Mobil 1 is known for its rich viscosity in the EP oils by stress testing engines going 20K-25K miles per oil change with polluted gasoline and out of specs piston rings and still their viscosity held up protecting the metals , Pennzoil is very well known for its additives in the Ultra Platinum to the point they do not have to overly worry how strong the viscosity held over time and usage and yet all their Platinum series oils are top notch.

Just curious does the VPR truly excels over the rest top tiers at least when it comes to keeping the engine clean or we are looking at a small gain cleaning wise?
 
soli said:
So guys what's the verdicts regarding engine cleaning when comparing the VRP to lets say the top tiers of the rest of the brands such as Mobil 1 Extended Performance or Pennzoil Ultra Platinum or whatever Castrol top tier offers.

Is it really that much of a difference, or are we speaking maybe 5%-10% of cleanliness in favor of VRP vs the rest?

I understand every brand brings something to the table, Mobil 1 is known for its rich viscosity in the EP oils by stress testing engines going 20K-25K miles per oil change with polluted gasoline and out of specs piston rings and still their viscosity held up protecting the metals , Pennzoil is very well known for its additives in the Ultra Platinum to the point they do not have to overly worry how strong the viscosity held over time and usage and yet all their Platinum series oils are top notch.

Just curious does the VPR truly excels over the rest top tiers at least when it comes to keeping the engine clean or we are looking at a small gain cleaning wise?
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R&P specifically claims to remove piston deposits left from other oils. No other oil is making this claim directly. It means this is a game changer if true.
 
Rand said:
What does this mean EP being api SP are some of their thinnest oils.

Which product is VPR?
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VPR - Valvoline

When I referred to the Mobil 1 EP is for the extended performance, they were testing their oil in engines under harsh conditions with polluted gasoline and out of specs piston rings and metal to metal wear passed the test including the cleanliness of the pistons and the rings. If their oil was the thinnest then the tests would of fail, maybe you think they are being dishonest?
 
soli said:
VPR - Valvoline

When I referred to the Mobil 1 EP is for the extended performance, they were testing their oil in engines under harsh conditions with polluted gasoline and out of specs piston rings and metal to metal wear passed the test including the cleanliness of the pistons and the rings. If their oil was the thinnest then the tests would of fail, maybe you think they are being dishonest?
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viscosity is given in most PDS? Do you have a link of this engine testing with harsh conditions and bad gas?
in the screenshot for m1 ep 5w30 its viscosity is 10.2
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m1 esp 5w30 is 11.9 and m1 esp 0w30 is 12.2
 
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