Valvoline Restore/Protect Isn't Dexos Licensed.

[Triple_Se7en]

I haven't used a dexos labeled oil in a couple years. When I use any oil labeled dexos in the weight on my oil cap, my car consumed 1 qt every 750 miles. The car had 35k miles on it when we bought it, and went thru oil like nobody's business. Gm sent us a notice to bring the car into a dealer, and they said they were not going to do anything about it. Unless I wanted to pay to have it re-ringed. So I have been using 10/40 wt oil to slow down the consumption, and that works. It's way out of warranty , but now it only has 88k miles on it. I'll never own another GM car again.,,

Please don't keep your vehicle make, model and engine a secret.
If you allow me a guess, I'd say you are speaking of the 2012-2017 Equinox with 2.4 engine.

Every major manufacturer has at least one mass produced engine that drinks oil. So when shopping next time, do a lengthy Google Search for history on what vehicle interests you most.

 

[timtupper]

You do realize that official dexos is merely a pay-to-play scheme, especially since GM merely recommends using dexos-licensed oils as far as warranty is concerned? There’s nothing magical about oils that pay for the license, and there are plenty of oils that exceed its performance requirements.

Exactly. Used be 100k just to use the logo.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

You do realize that official dexos is merely a pay-to-play scheme, especially since GM merely recommends using dexos-licensed oils as far as warranty is concerned? There’s nothing magical about oils that pay for the license, and there are plenty of oils that exceed its performance requirements.

Aren't the Dexos requirements by GM listed as being 'minimum'?

 

[RazorsEdge]

You guys aware of that Valvolines new oil isn't Dexos licensed? I guess I'll keep using Extended Protection (which works great).

I've been driving vehicles since high school. Never once had an engine oil related issue. Never once in my life worried about if an oil was Dexos approved or otherwise.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

I said the same thing for 50 years. Now 5-1/2 years later (55-1/2 years driving), I cry myself to sleep every night.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Aren't the Dexos requirements by GM listed as being 'minimum'?

If dexos was the end-all, be-all like GM marketers make it sound like in the manual, how could dexos not be the minimum AND the maximum?

 

[BigCahuna]

Please don't keep your vehicle make, model and engine a secret.
If you allow me a guess, I'd say you are speaking of the 2012-2017 Equinox with 2.4 engine.

Every major manufacturer has at least one mass produced engine that drinks oil. So when shopping next time, do a lengthy Google Search for history on what vehicle interests you most.

You were close, but no cigar. The car I mentioned actually is my wife's 2011 Equinox, with the 2.4. I can't believe that GM knew they had a problem with oil consumption for years, and choose to do nothing about it. And I'm surprised the Government didn't force them to fix the situation. I'm in the market for a vehicle now, and am doing alot of reading about the faults on new cars. I can't understand how the can charge so much, then have so many issues. Issues even the dealers can't solve. I won't be selling my motorcycle anytime soon. There are times when I gotta get some place, and I don't trust carslike I used to.,,,

 

[4WD]

These good old Kentucky boys got bought out by Saudi Arabia a year ago. I wonder if the Saudis hired a crew of marketing MBAs and this is their first major effort?

You better worry about what China controls bcs SA is one they are working on now …

 

[4WD]

Who cares? What general motors thinks. They are a minor player these days

Somebody who paid $67k for vehicle under warranty …

 

[Triple_Se7en]

There’s nothing magical about oils that pay for the license, and there are plenty of oils that exceed its performance requirements.

(Since you claim multiple brands do exceed.....
So I'm guessing Dexos 1 Gen 3 oil brands that exceed Valvoline's performance requirements are Castrol, Pennzoil and Mobil-1.

Did I guess right?..... are there more?

 

[ChrisD46]

Like most people on this forum , we care about our engines and use a good synthetic motor oil at the right intervals . I could see using R&P for an OCI or two then go back to the D1 Gen 3 rated synthetic oil I was using before R&P .

 

[4WD]

Like most people on this forum , we care about our engines and use a good synthetic motor oil at the right intervals . I could see using R&P for an OCI or two then go back to the D1 Gen 3 rated synthetic oil I was using before R&P .

That’s my plan: 25% EC30>>VR&P>>Mobil 1 EP …

 

[PWMDMD]

Well, generally, doesn't a warranty claim result in the manufacture requesting receipts? That would show which oil you used.

Go to Walmart, buy a Dexos oil, return the Dexos oil, and keep the receipt.

 

[PWMDMD]

I always felt this way when people lean on keeping oil receipts for proof during any type of warranty issue. Okay, so it shows you purchased oil. You could have used that oil in a different vehicle. You could have bought that oil and then let it sit on a shelf for a year and not actually changed your oil at all. How does an oil purchase receipt prove that the oil used was the correct spec and changed on time per the manual?

I brought my truck in for preventative maintenance on diffs and transmission and a recall yesterday and I got one of those multi-point inspection videos sent via text. He went around and said, "The air filter looks new, the cabin filter looks new, the oil level is good and appears newish (it was changed 2 days ago), tires have plenty of tread and are wearing evenly, the only thing I found were brake pads are getting low (shows video picture) and otherwise you're taking very good care of your truck." If he asked for proof of oil changes I would tell him it's in the glovebox and out he'd pull an organized log with receipts. Why would he doubt the oil was changed when the log said it was? Compare that to a truck that is only in because it's running rough and he does the inspection and he says you need a new air filter, new cabin filter, oil level was low and very dark, there's uneven tread wear on the tires, brakes need to be changed, etc, etc. Now imagine there was an oil-related issue, they scope the engine and it's covered in heavy varnish or sludge, and they ask for proof of oil changes and you don't have anything.

Having a log and receipts isn't going to prove anything but it's one less reason to deny a claim and you're building an overall narrative. In scenario 1 above, there's just no reason for anyone to believe the oil wasn't changed when I said it was changed. In scenario 2, even with a log book and receipts, it's very easy to conclude someone didn't actually change the oil.

Oh yeah, and the whole process of log and receipts takes me about 5 mins per oil change. It's quick and easy so what's to lose in doing it?

 

[SumGuy]

Licensed dexos®1 Gen 3 brands​

https://www.gmdexos.com/brands/dexos1_3/index.html

 

[Ronin73]

Licensed dexos®1 Gen 3 brands​

https://www.gmdexos.com/brands/dexos1_3/index.html

Valvoline R&P is still not on it.

 

[Patman]

Valvoline R&P is still not on it.

And I wouldn't expect it to be, as that's not the market they are going for. They are looking for the high mileage cars that are way out of warranty and need help. Even though the oil could be used on something new to help keep it clean, that's not where most of their customers will be. So why pay GM the dexos fee??

 

[Ronin73]

And I wouldn't expect it to be, as that's not the market they are going for. They are looking for the high mileage cars that are way out of warranty and need help. Even though the oil could be used on something new to help keep it clean, that's not where most of their customers will be. So why pay GM the dexos fee??

Oh, I agree. I thought the poster was stating that it was now Dexos by linking that and I was pointing out that it wasn't. The Dexos licesnse means nothing to me.

 

[Drew7a]

The manual clearly says oils that meet the DEXOS specification. Then it goes on to say oils the meet AND have been approved by GM contain the DEXOS logo, .No where does it say it MUST be DEXOS approved.

It also says use of non Dexos CAN cause damage, it does not say WILL cause damage.

They are tightening their language up a bit but it is still not absolute.