Using HDEO for tracking?

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http://www.esso.ca/Canada-English/Files/Products_Lubes/IOCAENCVLESEsso_Xd-3_extra.pdf

I'm considering Esso XD3 15w40 for summer tracking days. My OCI would be 3000 KMs. From what i gather, the Esso XD3 is PAO based HDEO. Would this be a good choice? My engine is an high-rev NA. Would heat be an issue?

Lastly, by looking at the PDS above, should i use the 15w40 or the 15w40 CJ4 ? The former has high TBN at 12.2 and zinc level but its not recommended for gasoline engines.

In winter, i will be using Esso XD3 0w-30 for street only.
 
First and foremost, I would recommend using the same weight oil as recommended by the car's manufacturer. A heavier weight oil is going to consume some HP and retain heat longer. If you are concerned about a high mileage engine and think that a heavier weight oil is added insurance, don't run that engine in track events. Worn bearings are worn bearings regardless of the oil used.

Since your OCI is only 3K KM, I would recommend using a synthetic racing oil unless you are prone to burning a lot of oil (pint or more per OCI) and your car has a catalytic converter. If so, use a regular synthetic oil instead.

Racing oil has a higher level of Zinc (and phosphorous)to protect against wear while the synthetic oil base should easily handle any additional heat.

I use Mobil 1 10W-30 in both my Corvettes which are autocrossed and see some additional track time on both road courses and ovals.
 
Originally Posted By: addyguy
ONLY the XD-3 0W-30 and 0W-40 oils are PAO-based - the 15w40 in a dino oil. Big difference!


Oh uh..... i just read the PDS carefully, and you're correct! I guess i will not consider this oil all together.


As for racing oil like Motul300v, due to my short OCI, its too costly to use it considering its $50/2 quarts here.
 
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Which types of oil are the most resistant to foaming? I thought most dino HDEO's didn't foam as much as some synthetics. Also motorcycle oil has foam inhibitors, but they aren't cheap either.
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XD-3 synthetic oils have been reviewed very well AFAIK, especially for the price.

I agree that the 0w-40 would be way better than the 15w40.

However, of the two synthetic grades, (0w-30 and 0w-40), I would recommend the 0w-30. First, it'll keep drag and temps down. Second, you'll want to keep the viscosity spread as low as possible because lower spread base oils are typically less volatile (less likely to evaporate). Third, the 0w-40 most likely uses viscosity index improvers (I've never seen a single 0w-40 that didn't), and you'll want to avoid those if you can.
 
Originally Posted By: HotBanana
addyguy said:
...As for racing oil like Motul300v, due to my short OCI, its too costly to use it considering its $50/2 quarts here.


Unless your engine is worth six figures, Valvoline Racing Synthetic oil should work out fine.
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Originally Posted By: Saab9-3
Why not Redline 0 or 5 w30. Its fairly cheap and readily available in Canada. I can get it for 10$/liter.

Nothing wrong with either one other than it may be too pricey for the user's 3K KM OCI. That's why I recommended Valvoline's synthetic racing oil (it's cheaper).

Track days tend to be follow the leader/listen to the instructor, no passing (or limited passing) at relatively low speeds (50-70 MPH for beginners) up to moderate speeds (90-100 MPH) as the driver becomes acclimated to the track. To end up in the 120+ MPH Open Track class requires multiple events to prove one's experience or a racing license from a sanctioning body (plus a checkout series of laps with an instructor). Most participants wear out their brakes or flat spot their tires before even stressing their engines.

I prefer synthetic oils for both street and track; however, racing oil for track days only adds a cushion of protection with the increased levels of zinc, but isn't mandatory in a well maintain vehicle in my opinion.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Saab9-3

Where do you get Redline at $10 a bottle in Ontario; it's $13 at Cdn tire and Parts Source?


I get it from a local speed shop in Ottawa. Living in the GTA there should be plenty of shops that carry Redline for a bit cheaper.

GC might be another good choice which I think was already mentioned. Readily accessible and cheaper that RL.
 
Saab9-3

Please don't keep it a secret, what's the name of your speed shop in Ottawa and do they have a branch in GTA?
Every speed shop I've checked out over the years want 15 to 18 bucks?
 
Sorry, didnt mean to keep it a secret .

Initial tuning is the shop I get it from on Enterprise Road. 10.95 for 5w40 , 5w30 and 20w50

the 0w40 is 13.95/liter

Hope this helps.

Edit: I dont think they have a shop in the GTA< its a small shop here that started 2-3 years ago.
 
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I planned on running 5w40 rotella synth in my turbo track car...is this a bad idea? I was going to leave it up to the UOA to make this determination balanced with change intervals. If its not up to the task, I may just start buying up the straight-30 Redline. I kicked an email to a guy named Dave at Redline and he recommended that I could run the 10w30 and probably run it for all season (12 events) and still street the car. I'd love to do that, but Rotella is easier to get.

I have a thermostat for the big, 24-row oil cooler.

As for the laid back HPDE atmosphere...not around here. We basically run time-attacks in ours. I'm competing in NASA TT this year too.
 
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Will the Rotella stand-up; maybe. Of course UOA will tell you.
For me, I like the extra 'insurance ' of an ester component in the motor oil of a car I'm going to track. That why I like Redline. Motul and GC to name a few.
Redline is pretty easy to get. You order it on line from a number of sources including Redline themselves.
 
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