Unveiling the Superiority of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Oil: A Detailed Analysis by Mr. Lake Speed Jr.

[Redhawk454]

It has Meh levels of phosphorus and zinc, moly, practically zero ppm of titanium but a lot of boron in it

I might run it in my motors

https://pqia.org/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-sae-5w-30-full-synthetic-motor-oil/?amp

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

It has Meh levels of phosphorus and zinc, moly, practically zero ppm of titanium but a lot of boron in it

I might run it in my motors

https://pqia.org/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-sae-5w-30-full-synthetic-motor-oil/?amp

That's because the base stock allows for reduced amounts of certain additives.

 

[DChrls]

If anyone is interested here is Lake Speed Jr. lab results of PUP.

 

[facility1]

with the addition of Alkaryl-Amine is to make the additive package work better so it is to be more effective, this is something I read somewhere, and the PPU has it in there, and so does Castrol edge, it shows up on some sds.

 

[buster]

Mobil 1 SP 0w40 FS has a strong add pack.

 

[Shel_B]

with the addition of Alkaryl-Amine is to make the additive package work better so it is to be more effective, this is something I read somewhere, and the PPU has it in there, and so does Castrol edge, it shows up on some sds.

Just curious, why would it only show up in some SDSs?

 

[facility1]

perhaps only some oil blenders and manufactures use it or its classified info?, not sure.

 

[camrydriver111]

It has Meh levels of phosphorus and zinc, moly, practically zero ppm of titanium but a lot of boron in it

I might run it in my motors

https://pqia.org/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-sae-5w-30-full-synthetic-motor-oil/?amp

We can't use the Project Farm approach of just adding the numbers, and say this oil has the strongest add pack.

Some of the newer additives are organics without additional elements, so they may not show up in oil analysis.

That's why Lake shows the IR. The elemental analysis does not show anything remarkable for PUP.

 

[ChrisD46]

This video is a deep dive into the differences between Pennzoil Ultra Platinum oil and regular Pennzoil Platinum oil. Mr. Lake Speed Jr., a certified lubrication specialist, uses a variety of tests to analyze the two oils. The key takeaway is that there's no difference in viscosity, but there is a significant difference in oxidation value, with Ultra Platinum oil having a lower value.

The Ultra Platinum oil boasts of "extreme protection", a claim that is substantiated by the presence of higher levels of calcium, magnesium, zinc, phosphorus, molybdenum, and boron. These additives and detergents, particularly the borate ester, are responsible for the oil's friction-reducing properties. Mr. Lake Speed Jr. uses an infrared trace test, F-T-I-R, to identify these esters.

The video also touches upon the differences between conventional and GTL base oils. The GTL base oil has a narrower bottom than the conventional base oil, and the ester spike in Pennzoil Platinum is likely a borate ester, which provides extra wear protection when combined with other additives.

In conclusion, Mr. Lake Speed Jr. is convinced of the superior properties of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum oil and plans to use it in his Porsche. He promises to share his experience in a future video, encouraging viewers to subscribe to his channel. The video is a comprehensive analysis of the two oils, providing viewers with a clear understanding of what makes Pennzoil Ultra Platinum oil stand out.

I might give Pennzoil more love - if I didn’t drive a Hyundai Theta II 2.4L GDI . I switched to Mobil 1 10W30 & 5W30 EP oils (and soon ESP) and haven't looked back . Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra 5W30 were thin and sounded “tinny” in my Hyundai 2.4L where running a thicker / higher HTHS oil is a BITOG popular pick and smoother running in my opinion in my application . My only other real complaint regarding Pennzoil Ultra is the poor historic job of promotion by SOPUS for the Pennzoil Ultra synthetic oils as well as the phantom availability (except on-line) .

 

[Sienna dude]

I used to use Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, but stopped due to the fact that it's specs show it's always on the thin side of it's grade, and don't really think it would be good for heavy duty use. I prefer higher HTHS / MOFT, as that equates to better protection.

Just google this: HTHS wear graph

Its 0w20 is 8.8 cSt and 5w30 10.3, what thin side are you talking about? Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 5w30 is 10.0 and 0w20 8.2.

 

[facility1]

Its 0w20 is 8.8 cSt and 5w30 10.3, what thin side are you talking about? Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 5w30 is 10.0 and 0w20 8.2.

been looking at putting Pennzoil ultra platinum 5w-30 in my 2024 Subaru cross trek (calls for 0w-16 ) like the PUP for its good flow characteristics and apparent quick pumpability, does anyone know of the current hths of this oil? as its not published in the pds.,

 

[Sienna dude]

been looking at putting Pennzoil ultra platinum 5w-30 in my 2024 Subaru cross trek (calls for 0w-16 ) like the PUP for its good flow characteristics and apparent quick pumpability, does anyone know of the current hths of this oil? as its not published in the pds.,

Your Subie calls for 0w16, you will use 5w30 and you worry about hths? It is overkill for your Subie that I can tell you. I will run 0w20 in my big ass Sienna that calls for 0w16. There is more to an oil than viscosity. Run 0w20 with confidence

 

[ChrisD46]

This video is a deep dive into the differences between Pennzoil Ultra Platinum oil and regular Pennzoil Platinum oil. Mr. Lake Speed Jr., a certified lubrication specialist, uses a variety of tests to analyze the two oils. The key takeaway is that there's no difference in viscosity, but there is a significant difference in oxidation value, with Ultra Platinum oil having a lower value.

The Ultra Platinum oil boasts of "extreme protection", a claim that is substantiated by the presence of higher levels of calcium, magnesium, zinc, phosphorus, molybdenum, and boron. These additives and detergents, particularly the borate ester, are responsible for the oil's friction-reducing properties. Mr. Lake Speed Jr. uses an infrared trace test, F-T-I-R, to identify these esters.

The video also touches upon the differences between conventional and GTL base oils. The GTL base oil has a narrower bottom than the conventional base oil, and the ester spike in Pennzoil Platinum is likely a borate ester, which provides extra wear protection when combined with other additives.

In conclusion, Mr. Lake Speed Jr. is convinced of the superior properties of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum oil and plans to use it in his Porsche. He promises to share his experience in a future video, encouraging viewers to subscribe to his channel. The video is a comprehensive analysis of the two oils, providing viewers with a clear understanding of what makes Pennzoil Ultra Platinum oil stand out.

I’ll be curious if Lake Speed Jr. finds Pennzoil synthetic oils have a tendency to leave a light yellow / gold varnish behind ? Does Pennzoil Ultra meet Euro specs for his Porsche ?

 

[Hohn]

I’ll be curious if Lake Speed Jr. finds Pennzoil synthetic oils have a tendency to leave a light yellow / gold varnish behind ? Does Pennzoil Ultra meet Euro specs for his Porsche ?

I can't speak for LSJ, but I can tell you that a decade of mostly PP left a lot more than a light yellow/gold varnish. More like burnt chocolate:

Now this is a J35, so don't hold this against PP per se. But I'd argue that something between the J35 operating temp, the OLM calibration, and PP just isn't all in alignment for a clean engine.

 

[Glenda W.]

Your Subie calls for 0w16, you will use 5w30 and you worry about hths? It is overkill for your Subie that I can tell you. I will run 0w20 in my big ass Sienna that calls for 0w16. There is more to an oil than viscosity. Run 0w20 with confidence

Subaru’s are hard in oil. It’s not uncommon to drop a grade and fuel dilution is a problem. 30 grade is a must imo.

 

[Bill7]

Its 0w20 is 8.8 cSt and 5w30 10.3, what thin side are you talking about? Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 5w30 is 10.0 and 0w20 8.2.

I prefer to use 5W-30's with a cST >= 11.0 for my use case. Super Tech HMFS 5W-30 satisfies that requirement for me.

I also like it's generous anti-wear additives (phosphorous and zinc) and high level of detergent additive (Calcium), and that it's Dexos 1 Gen 3 approved.

Some oils have very low phosphorus and zinc anti-wear additives around 600 and low calcium detergent additives.
I try to avoid those oils. You may wish to check those levels in the UOA section for any oil you are considering.

 

[JTK]

I can't speak for LSJ, but I can tell you that a decade of mostly PP left a lot more than a light yellow/gold varnish. More like burnt chocolate:...

Good info, but this was PP and not PUP?

 

[Hohn]

Good info, but this was PP and not PUP?

Correct, PP and not PUP. Which since @ChrisD46 was asking about all Pennzoil synthetic oils, would be appropriately in scope.

 

[Sienna dude]

I prefer to use 5W-30's with a cST >= 11.0 for my use case. Super Tech HMFS 5W-30 satisfies that requirement for me.

I also like it's generous anti-wear additives (phosphorous and zinc) and high level of detergent additive (Calcium), and that it's Dexos 1 Gen 3 approved.

Some oils have very low phosphorus and zinc anti-wear additives around 600 and low calcium detergent additives.
I try to avoid those oils. You may wish to check those levels in the UOA section for any oil you are considering.

More doesn't mean better. There is a reason some oils depend on more additives. Watch Motor Oil Geek's Pennzoil versus Quacker State

 

[Bill7]

More doesn't mean better. There is a reason some oils depend on more additives. Watch Motor Oil Geek's Pennzoil versus Quacker State

Several subject matter experts on BITOG previously confirmed that all base oils (if all additives were removed) of the same viscosity will produce the the same level of engine wear. So base oil doesn't influence engine wear at all.

It's the anti-wear additives that influence engine wear.

So having low levels of phosphorous and zinc anti-wear additives might indicate less wear protection
given that the wear is the same from all base oils of the same viscosity (if additives were removed).

Some manufacturers have very low levels of phosphorous and zinc (at or below 600 ppm).
I made an intentional choice not to use those brands for my own vehicles.