True Miles Unknown / Not Actual Miles

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There are certain auction announcements which always put a big smile on my face.

One of them is 'True Miles Unknown'. Another one more common in the Midwest is 'Not Actual Miles'. They both more or less mean the same exact thing.

Somehow, at some point, something got screwed up with the odometer history. And there it sits.

Most folks assume the worst, But The car may have absolutely no issues at all. Not even with the odometer. Here's why.

That announcement can come from three different unique events.

1. The odometer was actually replaced.
2. The odometer no longer works.
3. There was a clerical error on the title where the mileage was recorded incorrectly.

In the first example, you can guesstimate what the mileage is based on the vehicle history. Take the average miles driven annually. Figure out the date of replacement (call the dealership that serviced it). And then use simple math to calculate the current mileage.

Number two requires the car had the same owner between the odometer no longer working and right now. If so, you can use a rough estimate to figure out the right answer. Also sometimes a car's computer will still record the mileage even if the odometer is inop or unreadable.

My favorite is number three. The botched title. Either a title clerk accidentally checks off a box on the back of the title saying 'True Miles Unknown', or the wrong mileage is recorded by accident and the title gets processed.

This morning I bought this 2012 Volkswagen Golf. It's a one owner with 27 service records. The title history is perfect according to the Carfax. But the wrong mileage was recorded on the back of that title.

The odometer works perfectly fine.

On average a 'True Miles Unknown' vehicle is between 10% and 30% cheaper. The smaller the transaction price, the bigger that percentage discount.
I'll have around $3700 in this VW Golf. The maintenance history is excellent and as I mentioned, the odometer works fine as well. While a clean title version would sell for around $6900 I'll be retailing this rust-free one owner VW Golf for $5500. About 20% less.

If you're the type who keeps your daily driver for more than 180,000 miles, a vehicle with this type of disclosure represents a great value. It doesn't affect your insurance rates or registration costs. Just the price you pay at the point of purchase, and how much you keep in your bank account.

So have you ever bought one? How did it turn out?

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Does Carfax list this VW as a "branded" yet clear/ clean title?

My F350 purchased with OOA 54k miles, had listed on the title 60k miles when I purchased the F350. My F350 has a clear/ clean title yet does show branded by Carfax. Many financial institutions will not finance a branded title, even if the title is clean/ clear.
 
This is the CarMax facility in Newnan. They dump some junkers down there. Just know what you're buying. How do you intend to sell this thing?
 
My dad inherited a 1985 Cadillac Cimarron with 32k miles. The dopes that state inspected it entered it as 132k. The digital odometer even had a preceding zero!

Carfax caught on, but he drove that car into the ground, so, meh?

Sold a 2005 Prius with 299999 miles indicated because that's all she could display. Computer likely could give the real number. I checked the TMU box which probably did nothing at all, because the car was over ten years old and my state exempts titles from recording mileage at that age. People shopping 2nd gen Prii should be VERY suspect of mileage because the displays go bad all the time and people are swapping in junkyard clusters. However, a single capacitor can be soldered in that brings back the display for about ten cents and you can stay legal.

I figure a large proportion of TMU auction cars wind up at BHPH lots due to the lower cost of entry. "Hey, it runs!"
 
wouldn't surprise me if my '09 Sable showed up like that...
when I signed on the dotted line, the Odometer was at 69,997 mi.
when I received the memorandum Title, it said 699,997mi.
IMMEDIATELY drove to the Dealership, and they got it fixed.

yeah, I highly doubt that ANY bank would give a loan for a 5yr old car with 700k mi on the dash. even if the loan was only $7k..
 
Sold a 2005 Prius with 299999 miles indicated because that's all she could display. Computer likely could give the real number. I checked the TMU box which probably did nothing at all, because the car was over ten years old and my state exempts titles from recording mileage at that age. People shopping 2nd gen Prii should be VERY suspect of mileage because the displays go bad all the time and people are swapping in junkyard clusters. However, a single capacitor can be soldered in that brings back the display for about ten cents and you can stay legal.
yeah, that was an odd quirk of early 2000's Toyota digital Odometers.
I know the Pontiac Vibe/ Toyota matrix were notorious for the Odo stopping at 299,999 mi.
unfortunately My Buddy's '03 Vibe didn't get there. he wrecked it 2 years ago, with a mere 275k mi. He was only responsible for about 150k of those himself over 12/13 years.
 
Does Carfax list this VW as a "branded" yet clear/ clean title?

My F350 purchased with OOA 54k miles, had listed on the title 60k miles when I purchased the F350. My F350 has a clear/ clean title yet does show branded by Carfax. Many financial institutions will not finance a branded title, even if the title is clean/ clear.
It does show a clear title for right now, and you are absolutely right about most financial institutions, not financing vehicles that are true miles unknown.

However, some of them will do that. You have to know where to go!
 
I don't know. I expect things to be actual when I am buying a sub 60k mile car for a premium price for the peace of mine. I wouldn't care if it is 160k or 190k when it is a 20 year old car though.

Now for the VW Golf, I don't know exactly how reliable is that model but consider VW is not really a Toyota, I would probably just stay away unless I know that model well and can fix things myself cheap. I would probably ignore that if it is a Corolla.
 
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