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It's not from irradiance levels, but another interesting theory. This theory predicts that we will have another moderate summer with no drought or heat waves, that will be good for corn crops, if the sunspot levels continue to be near zero.
 
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A world, cooling due to reduced sunspot activity.

Mark doesn't believe in that big fusion ball warming the earth stuff.


Or maybe I have sense enough to realize there are other factors as well.
 
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Originally Posted By: Tempest
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A world, cooling due to reduced sunspot activity.

Mark doesn't believe in that big fusion ball warming the earth stuff.


Or maybe I have sense enough to realize there are other factors as well.

Sure, but we get 10+ degree shifts in temperature EVERYDAY as parts of the earth rotate in and out of the suns glare. So I think that it is very reasonable that the sun "warming" and "cooling" would have the same effect here on the earth.
 
Don't be asinine.
We're talking about long-term average temps, not daily fluctuations.
Of course the sun affects the Earth, but there are other factors which have strong effects as well.
It's well-known that urban areas are warmer than surrounding countryside areas. Human activity.
It's also known that large volcanic eruptions which put massive amounts of sulfate aerosols into the atmosphere can cause a worldwide, though temporary cooling effect.
More examples abound.
Why this need on your part to assure yourself that human beings don't do anything that negatively affects the planet?
 
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Why this need on your part to assure yourself that human beings don't do anything that negatively affects the planet?


Because the right to destroy yourself (and others) shall not be infringed upon ...especially if profits are to be had.
 
the sun plays the biggest role in temperature-just study the shifts in temp throughout history-the biggest being the one that brought us out of the last ice age-and it wasn't caused by humans, coal plants or cars. The magnetic field of the earth also plays a role on how much solar activity makes it to earth. Humans do didly squat in comparison to nature.
 
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We managed to increase the concentration of CO2 by 50% since we started our little experiment...

We've put a hole in the ozone layer too..

That's significant
 
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Why this need on your part to assure yourself that human beings don't do anything that negatively affects the planet?

And I have stated this where?

Of course we affect the planet, but to what extent is the question. And what part of what we are seeing naturally caused? That last one we have no idea, and yet we get all this alarmism.
There is so much ineptness behind the carbon alarmists that it has become a total joke.
 
Yes the ozone. Funny thing. Freon usage is higher in the Northern hemisphere and the hole was down at the south pole over that volcano.
 
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the sun plays the biggest role in temperature-just study the shifts in temp throughout history-the biggest being the one that brought us out of the last ice age-and it wasn't caused by humans, coal plants or cars. The magnetic field of the earth also plays a role on how much solar activity makes it to earth. Humans do didly squat in comparison to nature.


The ice ages weren't and aren't caused by differences in solar output, but most likely by a combination of factors, including, small changes in the tilt of the planet on its axis, as well as interactions between oceans, atmosphere, and landmasses.
The number of sunspots alone does not alter the overall solar emissions much at all. Solar variance alone has not been sufficient to account for dtarstic changes in global temps.
 
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Yes the ozone. Funny thing. Freon usage is higher in the Northern hemisphere and the hole was down at the south pole over that volcano.


See "polar stratospheric clouds".
 
Originally Posted By: MarkC
Originally Posted By: wannafbody
the sun plays the biggest role in temperature-just study the shifts in temp throughout history-the biggest being the one that brought us out of the last ice age-and it wasn't caused by humans, coal plants or cars. The magnetic field of the earth also plays a role on how much solar activity makes it to earth. Humans do didly squat in comparison to nature.


The ice ages weren't and aren't caused by differences in solar output, but most likely by a combination of factors, including, small changes in the tilt of the planet on its axis, as well as interactions between oceans, atmosphere, and landmasses.
The number of sunspots alone does not alter the overall solar emissions much at all. Solar variance alone has not been sufficient to account for dtarstic changes in global temps.
How come the temps on Mars is higher?
 
Originally Posted By: labman
Yes the ozone. Funny thing. Freon usage is higher in the Northern hemisphere and the hole was down at the south pole over that volcano.


Which Volcano is that ?

I've been under the hole at it's largest, and didn't see a volcano.
 
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Yes it does.
http://www.sustainer.org/dhm_archive/index.php?display_article=vn504ozoneed


CFC's ...one of the most clear demonstrations of UL.
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There is no fate ..but what we make.
 
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: MarkC
Originally Posted By: wannafbody
the sun plays the biggest role in temperature-just study the shifts in temp throughout history-the biggest being the one that brought us out of the last ice age-and it wasn't caused by humans, coal plants or cars. The magnetic field of the earth also plays a role on how much solar activity makes it to earth. Humans do didly squat in comparison to nature.


The ice ages weren't and aren't caused by differences in solar output, but most likely by a combination of factors, including, small changes in the tilt of the planet on its axis, as well as interactions between oceans, atmosphere, and landmasses.
The number of sunspots alone does not alter the overall solar emissions much at all. Solar variance alone has not been sufficient to account for dtarstic changes in global temps.
How come the temps on Mars is higher?



Solar surface heating controls the heating of Mars, because there is very little heat exchange due to Mars's atmosphere, which is very thin. Earth's thick atmosphere allows much more heat exchange to occur between the surface and the atmosphere.
 
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: MarkC
Originally Posted By: wannafbody
the sun plays the biggest role in temperature-just study the shifts in temp throughout history-the biggest being the one that brought us out of the last ice age-and it wasn't caused by humans, coal plants or cars. The magnetic field of the earth also plays a role on how much solar activity makes it to earth. Humans do didly squat in comparison to nature.


The ice ages weren't and aren't caused by differences in solar output, but most likely by a combination of factors, including, small changes in the tilt of the planet on its axis, as well as interactions between oceans, atmosphere, and landmasses.
The number of sunspots alone does not alter the overall solar emissions much at all. Solar variance alone has not been sufficient to account for drastic changes in global temps.
How come the temps on Mars is higher?


Higher than what?
And see mori's answer.
 
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