I'm not trying to change minds. Maybe read back and see why you're so bothered it works for some of us. You literally started in this thread by picking it apart and complaining about it. Maybe read back through this and see who's in the wrong here. I can assure you it's not me.
Toyota, why are you absent from the EV races?
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Wow, there's so much going on in this thread. Toyota, at the end of the day, is making a business decision they deem fit for their vision, needs and market demand. That said, long story short, and my unasked for opinion - people should be able buy and drive whatever the heck they want with their hard earned money - gas, diesel, CNG, LPG, electric, and heck even pedal power if they want a bicycle. We do not need a bunch of low IQ, bought-and-paid for morons dictating what we can and cannot drive by setting deadlines like 2035.
TOYOTA doesn't run with the lemmings!!!
Toyota Calls On Science To Tell EV-Only Extremists That They’re Wrong
After critics said it's dragging its feet on the matter of wider EV-only adoption, Toyota says science will prove its strategy is safe and sound.insideevs.com
Apparently Toyota has all the answers
A joint 5 billion dollar Toyota/Panasonic HEV/EV battery plant is currently under construction in N.C. Scheduled to open in 2025.
ummm ... wrong... certain states started the fight with the ICE. Did you forget? What is wrong with them, banning the sale of ICE powered vehicles.
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BMW was smart, they sent an i4 M50 and iX M50 to every dealership so people could test drive them, but you couldn't buy the demo (which is probably best, I can be a bit spontaneous at times and might have bought the i4 M50) and the ETA for a build was like 4 months I think? Could be wrong on that.
Here's my review:
BMW i4 M50 review
HOLY CRAP. So, the reviews we've watched on this car? I'd say they are all quite accurate. it feels/drives just like an M-Sport 4 or 3-series; drives just like a normal car. It even creeps when you let off the brake like a normal car. You can change the regen to feel like normal brakes...
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We briefly (for about a month) owned an Audi e-tron. My wife absolutely hated it, so we ended up with another Jeep. This has made me apprehensive of making any changes to the stable at this juncture, lol.
I've not driven the ID.4, the KIA, Taycan or the Mercedes. I have driven:
- Model 3
- Model S
- Mach-E
- e-tron
- iX M50
- i4 M50
The options are certainly getting better!
I read some of these comments and wonder what or why a Toyota conversation exists. What are they doing wrong? Worlds largest automaker knows what they are doing.
My question would be what are some EV only companies thinking? What will they do when the EV marketplace is saturated. They are not set up to produce ICE vehicles.
It will be decades (in its current lithium form) before EV sales will outnumber ICE sales.
Tesla has a plan, once EV sales are at market saturation I believe, not sure it if will come true, the global vision to be the world leader in robots will be next, next meaning, 8 years. We will see.
One thing for sure, in a forum, sometimes critical thinking goes by the wayside. In its current lithium battery form, EVs wont take over gasoline sales for 30 or more years, if ever. Gosh words are so simple to spew out but really think about it. Who is going to go backwards in time charging batteries? Not the majority of the public. More critical thinking how on earth could ANYONE ever think that we can produce enough power to replace all the fossil fuel being burned in ICE vehicles when we cant even power our own homes reliably as it is.
EVs will go from status symbol to the been there done that symbol and that nice big gasoline powered SUV rumbling down the road will be turning heads.
My question would be what are some EV only companies thinking? What will they do when the EV marketplace is saturated. They are not set up to produce ICE vehicles.
It will be decades (in its current lithium form) before EV sales will outnumber ICE sales.
Tesla has a plan, once EV sales are at market saturation I believe, not sure it if will come true, the global vision to be the world leader in robots will be next, next meaning, 8 years. We will see.
One thing for sure, in a forum, sometimes critical thinking goes by the wayside. In its current lithium battery form, EVs wont take over gasoline sales for 30 or more years, if ever. Gosh words are so simple to spew out but really think about it. Who is going to go backwards in time charging batteries? Not the majority of the public. More critical thinking how on earth could ANYONE ever think that we can produce enough power to replace all the fossil fuel being burned in ICE vehicles when we cant even power our own homes reliably as it is.
EVs will go from status symbol to the been there done that symbol and that nice big gasoline powered SUV rumbling down the road will be turning heads.
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Toyota has the resources to be among the top three EV automakers by about 2026. If they choose to anyway.
I understand any automaker's caution when it comes to spending billions of dollars. Millions of dollars won't be enough when other EV makers have already spent billions over a several year period.
But the "wait and see" attitude concerning EV adoption has come and gone. Sure, it will be probably a decade before EV sales approach 50% and government mandates are likely to be shot down. But how would you like a piece of the pie that is 25% of vehicle sales ?
As Mr. Keryk said, Toyota had better get crackin'
I understand any automaker's caution when it comes to spending billions of dollars. Millions of dollars won't be enough when other EV makers have already spent billions over a several year period.
But the "wait and see" attitude concerning EV adoption has come and gone. Sure, it will be probably a decade before EV sales approach 50% and government mandates are likely to be shot down. But how would you like a piece of the pie that is 25% of vehicle sales ?
As Mr. Keryk said, Toyota had better get crackin'
TSLA is up nearly 80% YTD. So yeah, Toyota, and everybody else, better up their game.
You come across as a bitter person. I'm not saying you are bitter, but you do sound that way.
It was posted here somewhere that the sales of EVs are strong in only a handful of states. California leads that charge. Most of the states have very little in sales of EVs. Geography and distance have influence there.
It’s very lopsided.
That and more I'd think.
Since January 1 2022 Tesla is down 43%, Toyota is down only 26%.
Scott
I know there’s some weird supply chain issues lately, but Toyota hybrid and PHEV demand (in the USA) didn’t seem so great in 2022.
Sales numbers. 2021 to 2022 percent change:
Prius Hybrid -26.2%
Prius Prime -52.7%
Camry Hybrid -9.8
Highlander Hybrid -32.9%
RAV4 Hybrid +23.9%
RAV4 Prime -33%
Venza Hybrid -45.7%
Sales numbers. 2021 to 2022 percent change:
Prius Hybrid -26.2%
Prius Prime -52.7%
Camry Hybrid -9.8
Highlander Hybrid -32.9%
RAV4 Hybrid +23.9%
RAV4 Prime -33%
Venza Hybrid -45.7%
I am not. I am trying to figure out this argument how EV is greatest thing, plus not understand superchargers, and throw in real world scenario.
For EV to be mainstream, it must have 400mls range, 5min charging. And when I say 400mls, I mean nit babying it. And not: if you do this, and drive like this.that is why arguments how Toyota or others don’t know what they doing, or lagging behind is absolute nonsense.
That is true. We live in a Tesla rich state, California. My wife was in South Carolina for a week a few months ago and she said Teslas were virtually nonexistent.
Scott
Toyota had some issues that they are nit at fault, and some that is absolutely their fault:
1. Supply chain affected everyone, but really hard Toyota (partly their fault).
2. They have their specific issues with labor (absolutely their fault).
3. QC issues(their fault).
Demand is there. I initially ordered Sienna hybrid and wait time supposed to be 6mo. Then they call me after 3mo and said, one more year. I then rented vehicle and realized a. Not for me, b. Ridiculous wait time.
Demand is there, output is not.
Yeah, it still has to go up another 100% to reach its high of just over 2 years ago. I hope for some of those investors that is does and I do wish as a short term trade I bought at 107 ish. ( I mean who wouldnt?) Though to be truthful I would have sold by now.
Yes and it’s very localized as well. In the Seattle area one will see a lot of Teslas. Head over the passes into the east side of the state and they are scarce.
