Toyota TV commercial

[oilboy123]

First Toyota commercial for the recall problems. They mentioned stopping production to focus on the customer's car problems?

That's funny, I thought they stopped production to fix the production line problem? It was a touchy feely kind of commercial.

 

[Norse]

That is funny, I thought they were forced to shut down. It's just too bad is was only temporary, so I wouldn't have to see anymore of those POS's on the road.

 

[Boomer]

There was a very interesting article in the weekend Wall Street Journal on the Toyota problem and how it has been exacerbated by Japanese culture. In Japan, it is fundamentally "customer be [censored] and save the corporation". Obviously, in a culture like this the article notes, there is really no room for a response team to deal with angry customers. Makes a good read. Also makes me wonder what else lurks beneathe the surface of this company and their products!

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: oilboy123
They mentioned stopping production to focus on the customer's car problems?

That's funny, I thought they stopped production to fix the production line problem?

Fixing a defect + big corporate marketing department = "focusing on the customer's needs"

 

[01rangerxl]

It's very touchy feely and full of [censored], but commercials like this are becoming popular for some reason. It's like the Domino's commercial where they talked about how bad their pizza sucked. I personally don't really like this method of advertising, but it's certainly no worse than the commercials from other brands dealers that are trying to take advantage of Toyota's recent issues.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

My mother crashed her 89 caddy through a bank front door due to the TB stepping motor loosing its mind. IIRC GM never recalled for this well know issue. Now you have elderly driving lexus and camry through walmarts and 7-11's. Maybe they didnt really confuse gas and brake in many instances.

 

[heypete]

Originally Posted By: Norse
That is funny, I thought they were forced to shut down. It's just too bad is was only temporary, so I wouldn't have to see anymore of those POS's on the road.


Right, because Toyota is clearly a brand associated with poor quality, poor reliability, and generally poorly-made vehicles.

Definitely POS material.

[/sarcasm]

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My mother crashed her 89 caddy through a bank front door due to the TB stepping motor loosing its mind. IIRC GM never recalled for this well know issue. Now you have elderly driving lexus and camry through walmarts and 7-11's. Maybe they didnt really confuse gas and brake in many instances.


I didn't even realize they had electronic throttle on that vintage of Cadillac engine. That's pretty amazing in and of itself.

 

[Steve S]

Oh what a feeling,,,Toyota.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My mother crashed her 89 caddy through a bank front door due to the TB stepping motor loosing its mind. IIRC GM never recalled for this well know issue. Now you have elderly driving lexus and camry through walmarts and 7-11's. Maybe they didnt really confuse gas and brake in many instances.


I doubt it....Geezers have been driving cars through all kinds of stuff since Henry Ford started mass producing them. It's the nature of the beast....they hit the gas and then blame it on the car. Anybody in Florida or Arizona knows better. There is a story out there where a geezer crashed his Lincoln into a gas station and is filing a complaint with NHTSA for ETC failure. My old VP's 66 year old wife took out 1/3 of a Nissan dealership doing the same thing....then blamed it on the Maxima even though hers was the only one in the United States to claim that.

 

[VNTS]

Well now they are associated with covering up defects and then lying about it which is worse in most people's opinion, especailly when people are being killed and maimed because of it.

They should come clean and admit they were forced to stop selling the cars by the NHTSA, then make a statement that they are performing an internal investigation and the people/employees in Japan who lied, destroyed documents, covered it up, etc covering it up will be terminated and then prosecuted.

Until then they are just pouring more Kool Aid out.

Originally Posted By: heypete
Originally Posted By: Norse
That is funny, I thought they were forced to shut down. It's just too bad is was only temporary, so I wouldn't have to see anymore of those POS's on the road.


Right, because Toyota is clearly a brand associated with poor quality, poor reliability, and generally poorly-made vehicles.

Definitely POS material.

[/sarcasm]

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: PT1
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My mother crashed her 89 caddy through a bank front door due to the TB stepping motor loosing its mind. IIRC GM never recalled for this well know issue. Now you have elderly driving lexus and camry through walmarts and 7-11's. Maybe they didnt really confuse gas and brake in many instances.


I doubt it....Geezers have been driving cars through all kinds of stuff since Henry Ford started mass producing them. ... ...
I blamed my mother on this accident, then when on vacation in FL I drove the car and I was sitting at a stoplight and the thing just layed into 1/4 throttle - I had to put two feet on the brakes against the torque of the V8 to hold it while i grabbed for the ignition. The brakes required bleeding too and went to the floor. later, I researced the idle stepper on these older GM and found major unresolved issues. after reprogramminbg a new unit it still acted up, and I ended up tossing the unit setting the base idle at 900 rpm idle warm.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My mother crashed her 89 caddy through a bank front door due to the TB stepping motor loosing its mind. IIRC GM never recalled for this well know issue. Now you have elderly driving lexus and camry through walmarts and 7-11's. Maybe they didnt really confuse gas and brake in many instances.


I didn't even realize they had electronic throttle on that vintage of Cadillac engine. That's pretty amazing in and of itself.
89 -plenty of electronics in 89! it was a stepper that adjust the TBI throttle opening to control idle speed. Sort of like the ford IAC on their MPFI that gets fudged - but they usually go away in a failsafe mode.

 

[hardcore302]

Moving forward, whether you want to or not!

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: Boomer
There was a very interesting article in the weekend Wall Street Journal on the Toyota problem and how it has been exacerbated by Japanese culture. In Japan, it is fundamentally "customer be [censored] and save the corporation".


That's because their populace views their country's corporations in a nationalist way (as if they ARE the actual country).
Unlike, sadly enough, our nation and it's foreign/Asian product brainwashed, sheeple, consumerist populace.

 

[UNC017]

Originally Posted By: cchase
I didn't even realize they had electronic throttle on that vintage of Cadillac engine. That's pretty amazing in and of itself.

They DIDN'T. At most it was an idle speed control motor- no way it could have gone to more than fast idle.

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: cchase
I didn't even realize they had electronic throttle on that vintage of Cadillac engine. That's pretty amazing in and of itself.

They DIDN'T. At most it was an idle speed control motor- no way it could have gone to more than fast idle.



Interesting. I would have been surprised but not unbelieving if I had found out they did. I would have assumed the system was very similar to the one in my Chevy truck. All it can do is make the A/F ratio leaner or richer. It has no control over the throttle blades themselves. Although on my truck if it's cold enough, the fast idle in gear is enough to get you up to about 20-25 mph and shift from 1st to 2nd and that alone is interesting.

 

[John K]

I think nearly every brand has had some reports of unintended acceleration over the years, and it was my understanding that the TB stepping motors didn't have the range to cause much acceleration. I remember reading an article years ago about the Audi 5000 and a woman was so concerned about the safety of the Audi that she bought a Volvo, only to suffer an u a in the Volvo. Many of the mags at the time (CR, C&D, R&T) tested the Audi and the basic finding was the unusual pedal layout. People swore they stepped on the brakes as hard as they could and it wouldn't slow down. Test after test showed the brakes would stop the car even at full throttle...

It is a bit alarming about the speed that the automotive world has jumped on electronic controls, replacing the tried and true of cables, hydraulic power steering, etc.

If some are concerned about the Japanese culture, wait until we get the Chinese. There have been so many instances of outright criminal behavior, such as the pet food supplier grinding up melamine to add to the wheat gluten to obtain the false high protein tests, and the baby formula, that type of thing scares me.

 

[VNTS]

I wouldnt ball wash it and make it out like every other brand has this problem.

On the older cable systems, all an AIS motor does is open as an air passageway at idle so when the throttle plate is closed the engine does not stall, no way the car is going to accelerate. Now if the cable fails and most have spring to close the throttle I doubt you would see many issues. Only other thing could be the cruise control. But other than Audi, I cant remember any other OEM having a problem.


Originally Posted By: John K
I think nearly every brand has had some reports of unintended acceleration over the years, and it was my understanding that the TB stepping motors didn't have the range to cause much acceleration. I remember reading an article years ago about the Audi 5000 and a woman was so concerned about the safety of the Audi that she bought a Volvo, only to suffer an u a in the Volvo. Many of the mags at the time (CR, C&D, R&T) tested the Audi and the basic finding was the unusual pedal layout. People swore they stepped on the brakes as hard as they could and it wouldn't slow down. Test after test showed the brakes would stop the car even at full throttle...

It is a bit alarming about the speed that the automotive world has jumped on electronic controls, replacing the tried and true of cables, hydraulic power steering, etc.

If some are concerned about the Japanese culture, wait until we get the Chinese. There have been so many instances of outright criminal behavior, such as the pet food supplier grinding up melamine to add to the wheat gluten to obtain the false high protein tests, and the baby formula, that type of thing scares me.

 

[ARB1977]

Ive said it all along go back to drive by cable...problem solved.