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Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Ive said it all along go back to drive by cable...problem solved.


Why stop there, I'd say go back to walking.
 
Originally Posted By: Jonny Z
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Ive said it all along go back to drive by cable...problem solved.

Why stop there, I'd say go back to walking.

Yes horses are dangerous and create far to many environmentally unfriendly gasses.
 
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Ive said it all along go back to drive by cable...problem solved.


Cables get stuck too.

Walking is the only solution.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Cables get stuck too.

Walking is the only solution.

Indeed.
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Yes horses are dangerous and create far to many environmentally unfriendly gasses.

Not just gasses...road apples are no fun either
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: Jonny Z
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Ive said it all along go back to drive by cable...problem solved.

Why stop there, I'd say go back to walking.

Yes horses are dangerous and create far to many environmentally unfriendly gasses.

Riding anything with a brain of its own is a dangerous endeavor - I've known a few people who have had serious injuries from a horse getting spooked over nothing. I'd rather ride my cycle at 180 mph on the freeway than trust what a horse is going to do while on its back.
 
It was a great commercial came across as honest and with a caring attitude. With that said one cannot accept it without recognizing that they were forced to do the recalls, they did not nor would they have done the recall if not for the outcry.

So until they now prove ( which will take years) that they are an honest trustworthy company and care more than just the bottom line they are just a sleazy corporate entity to me. Not to mention just boring cars!
 
Cry me a RIver, until they state that they were forced to recall the cars and stop sales, and perform an investigation and "Out" the people at Toyota who covered all these defects up and lied to the NHTSA, I doubt many are going to give them a pass. Sorry their mouthwash aint making it.


Originally Posted By: Spector
It was a great commercial came across as honest and with a caring attitude. With that said one cannot accept it without recognizing that they were forced to do the recalls, they did not nor would they have done the recall if not for the outcry.

So until they now prove ( which will take years) that they are an honest trustworthy company and care more than just the bottom line they are just a sleazy corporate entity to me. Not to mention just boring cars!
 
Originally Posted By: VNTS
Cry me a RIver, until they state that they were forced to recall the cars and stop sales, and perform an investigation and "Out" the people at Toyota who covered all these defects up and lied to the NHTSA, I doubt many are going to give them a pass. Sorry their mouthwash aint making it.

I saw no crying in his post. I saw no mouthwash in Toyota's ad (sedatives, maybe). I don't think very many people are waiting to see the heads of Toyota execs on the chopping block. Just saying.
 
You guys dont remember the broken motor mount unintended acceleration? This is with rod linkage on the carburetor. Happened to me on a 65 buick with 401 nailhead. Oil would fatigue motor mounts and they would break, engine would torque over and pull the throttle wide open. At least the key was straight ahead on the dash and easy to reach for (if not actually reach it) AAaaHHHhrrrrggg!
 
Originally Posted By: Jonny Z
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Ive said it all along go back to drive by cable...problem solved.


Why stop there, I'd say go back to walking.


Since you drive a Toyota, it might be safer for the rest of us if you did.
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I'll be curious to see how all of this plays out. For many people, the #1 selling point of Toyota is quality and it's name is synonymous for quality cars. People are willing to pay a premium for this -- The sticker price actually means something, they don't need massive incentives, and they don't depreciate.

About 6 years ago, my company decided to gradually switch its vehicle fleet (mostly late model Fords and a few older Chevy Suburbans) over to Toyota. We were sold on the idea of hassle-free cars, which only require routine maintenance and not deal with constant recalls and premature part failures. We'd pay more upfront for the vehicles but save money by not having to idle projects do to down vehicles.

Six years later, we're now dealing with all of the same problems we had before. In all honesty, I was sold on the idea of bringing our corporate costs down with Toyotas, and by and large my corporate Matrix was a decent car. But even that was in-and-out of the dealer due to some trim issues and a water leak. My corporate Prius has problems with misfires, and our Tundras have all of the suspension problems, ball joint failures, etc. that our Fords did when working in the coal fields.

I've come to the realization (as did my company) that actual quality of Toyotas may not be as high as perceived quality.
 
Like I said, Ive owned over 65 cars and trucks (not bragging), most of them bought new, and, only a handfull were keepers. If I had been born 10 years earlier I would bet, A) I wouldnt have owned 65 cars; B) More of them would be keepers. One of the keepers was a YUGO. Imagine that. This biggest dissappointment was a Maxima v6 5 speed manual and a Mazda 626 (flat rock).
 
Here is an interesting site I found by Googling "unintended acceleration"

Unintended acceleration

Here is part of the link:
Manufacturers may deny SUA exists, NHTSA may declare that it isn’t worth its time to thoroughly investigate these incidents, but consumers continue to lodge complaints about sudden unintended acceleration – and they can’t all be little old ladies in the first stages of dementia. The complaints data show clearly that some manufacturers and some vehicles are outliers, with significantly more complaints than their peers. In the last 10 years, the agency has collected some 24,000 consumer complaints (source: www.VSIRC.com). When these complaints are sorted by manufacturer and vehicle and charted, the vast majority of automakers flat-line at the bottom. The trendline of complaints for four manufacturers—Ford, GM, Chrysler, and Toyota, however, float above their peers with occasional spikes, leading one to conclude that either these manufacturers have a problem, or the most confused consumers gravitate to their vehicles.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Ive said it all along go back to drive by cable...problem solved.

Cables get stuck too.

Sure, BUT the thing is that because it is a fairly simple device that has been with us for 100 years or more it is easy to pinpoint a problem and fix it...with the drive by wire system....obviously NOT SO EASY to do.
 
Originally Posted By: kb01
I'll be curious to see how all of this plays out. For many people, the #1 selling point of Toyota is quality and it's name is synonymous for quality cars. People are willing to pay a premium for this -- The sticker price actually means something, they don't need massive incentives, and they don't depreciate.

About 6 years ago, my company decided to gradually switch its vehicle fleet (mostly late model Fords and a few older Chevy Suburbans) over to Toyota. We were sold on the idea of hassle-free cars, which only require routine maintenance and not deal with constant recalls and premature part failures. We'd pay more upfront for the vehicles but save money by not having to idle projects do to down vehicles.

Six years later, we're now dealing with all of the same problems we had before. In all honesty, I was sold on the idea of bringing our corporate costs down with Toyotas, and by and large my corporate Matrix was a decent car. But even that was in-and-out of the dealer due to some trim issues and a water leak. My corporate Prius has problems with misfires, and our Tundras have all of the suspension problems, ball joint failures, etc. that our Fords did when working in the coal fields.

I've come to the realization (as did my company) that actual quality of Toyotas may not be as high as perceived quality.


Absolutely spot on. Toyotas and other imports are not really more reliable than Ford and GM. What is so annoying is the erroneous perception that is being created and perpetuated by the automotive media. It's not really factual.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Absolutely spot on. Toyotas and other imports are not really more reliable than Ford and GM. What is so annoying is the erroneous perception that is being created and perpetuated by the automotive media. It's not really factual.

YUP!
And I DO suspect some MAJOR payola to them from TOY, and Japan, Inc.

It's amazing just how easily brainwashed the American public really is, and how fast they forget what rustbucket Ps.O.S. the early Nippon/TOY products were, i.e.; Toyopets, Coronas, etc.
 
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