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Indeed.

You know, I forget a lot of the details of that case. Wasn't the final conclusion that the problem was a combination of poor tire construction, incorrectly specified tire pressure, poor suspension design, and the vehicle's high CoG? If that's true, what a mess it must have been to decide who was at fault...
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
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Indeed.

You know, I forget a lot of the details of that case. Wasn't the final conclusion that the problem was a combination of poor tire construction, incorrectly specified tire pressure, poor suspension design, and the vehicle's high CoG? If that's true, what a mess it must have been to decide who was at fault...


I wouldn't call the suspension design poor. The earlier tire pressures (96 and earlier) were surprisingly low for sure.

96+ had the torsion bar suspension up front, which is the same found on the Expedition and other trucks.

Compared to something like a Tracker, the Explorer is actually pretty stable
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Ford SUV Goodyear tire incident

Did you mean Firestone?


Yeah ... one of the American made tires ...
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They've been owned by Bridgestone, which is Japanese, since 1988. LOL.


Don't let labman know it's a foreign owned American company!
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Compared to something like a Tracker, the Explorer is actually pretty stable
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Compared to a Tracker, nitroglycerin is stable...
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Originally Posted By: javacontour
Originally Posted By: cousincletus
I'd like to see Toyota run out of the USA too. Too bad it's always our industries being run under.


Yes, by American Executives!

The CEO of Toyota's entire team combined compensation isn't even as much as the top guy at GM.

No matter what you think of their respective levels of competence, you can't convince me that guy at the top of GM, driving it to bankruptcy is worth more than a team of 20 or more at Toyota.

So if American companies are being run under, it's an inside job. The folks at Toyota, or Honda or Nissan can't make the bad decisions for the US car companies.

If US companies die, it's because they were unable to adapt in a more competitive world.

Study history.

Don't you think the US was like China with respect to Europe a couple of hundred years ago? Business in Europe started to make things in "The Colonies" because there were advantages to making in there and shipping it back.

The tables are turning today. Other nations are becoming more competitive, and we have to work harder to maintain our current standards.

The same team doesn't win the Super Bowl or World Series every year. Some teams have good runs, and go on winning streaks. But those are temporary. Teams change, others get better, good teams get fat and lazy.

The other teams were getting better while were were/are getting fat and lazy.

Don't blame the other teams for getting better. They want to win just as much as you want the US to win.

Nobody wins by talking down the other team. You have to play the game, or win in the market place. Talk is cheap, results count.

That's true for Toyota, GM, or anyone else.

BTW, I'll remind you that it's those same executives of the US car makers that are closing the US plants, buying more parts from China, choosing to build more vehicles in Mexico, and still ask you and me to "Buy American."

Like I've said before, if they really mean that, then let them set the example by building a 100% American sourced car before they run another "Buy American" commercial.

Until they follow their own advice with the sourcing of their parts, where the board of directors sits really doesn't matter to me.

I'll buy what I like and what best suits my family.

After, isn't that what the executives at Chrysler are doing when they close the plant here in St. Louis and build the RAM truck in Mexico? If it's good enough for them, then it's gotta be good enough for my family.


So, basically, it looks like you're saying if the USA reverts back to a third world country it's ok, nothing should be done about it. These foreign products and foreign made/assembled components in American vehicles wouldn't even be an issue if the trans-national corporations didn't control our trade policies. Remember the giant sucking sound? What good has this "free trade" done for working people here? Take a look at the big picture (our trade deficit) and honestly tell me that free trade is a good thing. The USA has the consumer market everybody in the world wants. We are in control of that, but our leaders think that it's ok to let the corporations loot our country and lay it to waste. At least other countries (Japan esp) have sense enough to limit their imports, but ours isn't controlled by people who can see past the next quarter in the stock market.
 
Is this a contest to see how many different things we can do to get the thread locked or something?
 
Originally Posted By: cousincletus
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Originally Posted By: cousincletus
I'd like to see Toyota run out of the USA too. Too bad it's always our industries being run under.


Yes, by American Executives!

The CEO of Toyota's entire team combined compensation isn't even as much as the top guy at GM.

No matter what you think of their respective levels of competence, you can't convince me that guy at the top of GM, driving it to bankruptcy is worth more than a team of 20 or more at Toyota.

So if American companies are being run under, it's an inside job. The folks at Toyota, or Honda or Nissan can't make the bad decisions for the US car companies.

If US companies die, it's because they were unable to adapt in a more competitive world.

Study history.

Don't you think the US was like China with respect to Europe a couple of hundred years ago? Business in Europe started to make things in "The Colonies" because there were advantages to making in there and shipping it back.

The tables are turning today. Other nations are becoming more competitive, and we have to work harder to maintain our current standards.

The same team doesn't win the Super Bowl or World Series every year. Some teams have good runs, and go on winning streaks. But those are temporary. Teams change, others get better, good teams get fat and lazy.

The other teams were getting better while were were/are getting fat and lazy.

Don't blame the other teams for getting better. They want to win just as much as you want the US to win.

Nobody wins by talking down the other team. You have to play the game, or win in the market place. Talk is cheap, results count.

That's true for Toyota, GM, or anyone else.

BTW, I'll remind you that it's those same executives of the US car makers that are closing the US plants, buying more parts from China, choosing to build more vehicles in Mexico, and still ask you and me to "Buy American."

Like I've said before, if they really mean that, then let them set the example by building a 100% American sourced car before they run another "Buy American" commercial.

Until they follow their own advice with the sourcing of their parts, where the board of directors sits really doesn't matter to me.

I'll buy what I like and what best suits my family.

After, isn't that what the executives at Chrysler are doing when they close the plant here in St. Louis and build the RAM truck in Mexico? If it's good enough for them, then it's gotta be good enough for my family.


So, basically, it looks like you're saying if the USA reverts back to a third world country it's ok, nothing should be done about it. These foreign products and foreign made/assembled components in American vehicles wouldn't even be an issue if the trans-national corporations didn't control our trade policies. Remember the giant sucking sound? What good has this "free trade" done for working people here? Take a look at the big picture (our trade deficit) and honestly tell me that free trade is a good thing. The USA has the consumer market everybody in the world wants. We are in control of that, but our leaders think that it's ok to let the corporations loot our country and lay it to waste. At least other countries (Japan esp) have sense enough to limit their imports, but ours isn't controlled by people who can see past the next quarter in the stock market.


I'd like to see where I said that, because those words didn't come from my keyboard.

What I said was the US WAS like a 3rd world country a few hundred years ago, and we worked to get on top.

Just like any sports team that works to win it all.

What happens to those on top? They become targets for those who are not on top. Others want to be on top as well.

We have no divinely given right to be on top. But there are too many Americans, at all levels, from the boardroom to the mail-room who think that simply by the virtue of being American, we are owed some sort of #1 status.

It's that entitlement mentality, at all levels and the complacency it breeds, combined with the drive of those who are not currently on top to get there that will do us in.

So any complaints about the state of US business are best placed upon those who control US business. If competitors are eating our lunch, it's not there fault they out worked us. It's our fault we became too fat and lazy to outwork them.

Or we allowed our laws to get in the way.

We can't have it both ways.

Folks have decided by voting or not voting either with their ballots or the wallets that they want things the way they are. They want batteries made in Mexico because lead is too dirty. They want cars to meet certain safety, emissions and fuel economy standards, etc.

But when the costs of those stardards are added to the cars, many folks can't afford them. So others, who can build them for less step in. Either it's done outside our borders, or it's done with more robotics. So it's not just that we are competing with overseas labor, but we also have few people in our factories because of more automation.

Maybe they don't have to meet those standards. Well, OK. Do we really have any control over what they do in their nation? Nope, and I don't want it either, because then they'll expect control over what we do.

So we have decisions to make. Which things are most important. It's the whole guns or butter economic decision on a much larger and more complex scale.

Here's a shocker for you. There are more WOMEN getting degrees than men these days. Women are becoming more educated than men. Since this is a largely male board, I thought I'd throw that little tidbit out there.

Gone are the days when a HS diploma is enough. Most have to get a bachelors just to even get a look.

So while there may be fewer factory jobs, there are more engineering jobs, laboratory jobs, etc. It's not just the "do you want fries with that jobs" but jobs in chemical engineering, pharmaceuticals, IT, telecommunications, etc, and the trades that will support that.

As more stuff is connected, we'll need more, not fewer electricians, HVAC techs (gotta keep the equipment happy) etc.

So I'm clearly NOT saying we need to become a 3rd world country, or that it's alright. However, we do need to adapt, to step up our game, to stop being greedy at all levels, or some hungry 3rd world workers just may eat our lunch.
 
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
What in the heck made you think it was a good idea to post that?


Yes, maybe it was uncalled for, but it IS the tradition (in The Land Of The Rising Sun) that some in this country (even maybe some on here) think is a good idea for executive/management failure.
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If you recall, Toyoda only recently came back into a management position. His Grandfather left in the early to mid 90's and another took his stead. Maybe 2 years ago he came back in to retake his grandfathers company and push it away from the GM direction. There was a video of his speach to Toyota management and him basically flaming the former chair/CEO for his failures and raising the price of the vehicles, dropping quality etc.

Toyoda said he wanted the brand to go back to its roots, lower prices, better quality. Make it a truly valuable product. As you can see in politics, 2 years isn't a long time to turn a 180. There may have been steps and steps going forth to follow that path.

Below is the news article regarding the management switch.

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/eyeonasia/archives/2008/12/toyota_scion_ak_1.html

I'll try to find the video where he is basically scolding Katsuaki Watanabe the former CEO, he was bumped down to Vice President as he is still valuable for certain business reasons. All in all, Watanabe was responsible for the yearly loss in 2008 for a venture of building a Tundra assembly facility in Austin Texas trying to beat GM/Ford in production. Instead they over produced vehicles with marginal quality that didn't sell.
 
Here is the article on the scolding:

http://1440-68131.blogspot.com/2009/07/toyotas-toyoda-scolds-execs-for.html

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On a mild day in February, Toyota Motor's honorary chairman, Shoichiro Toyoda, summoned 400 executives to the redbrick factory in Nagoya, Japan, where his grandfather had built weaving looms a century ago.

The managers filed in for one of the customary updates from Toyota's gray-haired, 84-year-old patriarch. What they got was anything but ordinary.

Two months earlier, Toyota had forecast its first operating loss since Shoichiro's father began making cars in the same factory, now turned museum, in 1937. Then in January, about three months earlier than planned, the company announced that Shoichiro's son, Akio, would replace Katsuaki Watanabe as president. Even with these signals, the managers were ill-prepared for the normally reserved Shoichiro's litany of the carmaker's missteps and his dressing-down of Watanabe.

"How many times have you made a mistake?" Shoichiro grilled Watanabe, who sat silently among stunned audience members.

Shoichiro scolded the president for being so anxious to boost sales and profits that he'd let Toyota emulate now-bankrupt General Motors and Chrysler. Toyota had become addicted to big, expensive cars and trucks and had forgotten the customers' need to save money, Shoichiro said.

Toyota's rise

Shoichiro wasn't just lashing out at Watanabe. He was railing against the threat to everything his family had struggled to create.

The Toyodas built their first car when Henry Ford was turning out almost 1 million a year in the U.S. During World War II, the family opened dry-cleaning stores to get by. They adopted kaizen, the making of small and continuous improvements, to fine-tune manufacturing. They enhanced quality and squeezed costs to become one of the world's most admired companies.

Across the Pacific, Ford Motor, Chrysler and GM were gorging on Americans' car lust. They failed to heed skyrocketing gasoline prices, declining workmanship and escalating pay. Last year, with help from its gas-electric Prius hybrid, Toyota pushed General Motors from its perch as the planet's biggest carmaker.

In its June 1 bankruptcy filing, GM reported $172.8 billion of debt, more proof of the U.S. industry's descent.

Toyota's work isn't done. To avoid the four-decade decline that humbled GM, the Japanese company must fend off rising competitors and adapt to the global reality of slowing sales growth and shrinking profits, says John Casesa, managing partner of auto-industry-consulting firm Casesa Shapiro Group in New York.

"If Toyota is unable to react to a changing world, it will risk its very existence over time," says Casesa, who's covered the industry for two decades.

"Akio's challenge is to cut Toyota's dependence on luxury cars and branch out from U.S. markets destabilized by easy credit. In its race to top GM, Toyota splurged on enough new factories to make 2 million additional cars a year. South Korea's Hyundai Motor targeted small-car buyers in China, India and other emerging countries, where it sold 55 percent of its vehicles last year compared with 31 percent for Toyota.

"Toyota went from being a scrappy newcomer to becoming convinced the market was just there for them to take," says Maryann Keller, an auto analyst and president of Maryann Keller & Associates in Stamford, Conn. "Toyota wrote the playbook and Hyundai read it: Build great cars with great value, and people will come."

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'Next great automaker'

Inside Toyota, some chalk up the recent stumble to the recession that's sent global car sales down 20 percent since 2007. Shoichiro wasn't buying that excuse. He told employees at the February meeting that Toyota fell victim to hubris.

Beginning in 2003, Toyota pushed to expand manufacturing capacity by 25 percent to build 10 million cars a year. When Watanabe became president in 2005, he backed the growth plans and championed a $1.3 billion truck plant in San Antonio, Texas, calling it "a dynamic symbol of our bright future."

Watanabe, 67, sealed his fate by failing to predict that sales would plunge last year and not acting fast enough to recover, people familiar with the situation say.

In October, 2 ½ weeks after Lehman Brothers Holdings's bankruptcy deepened the global credit freeze, a key Toyota lieutenant, Executive Vice President Mitsuo Kinoshita, said sales could rise to 9.7 million vehicles this year. In May, the company predicted it will sell just 6.5 million vehicles in the fiscal year ending in March 2010.

"If Toyota can't adjust to a market that will be smaller, with less-expensive cars, then somebody else will be heralded as the next great automaker," Keller says.

It's up to Akio Toyoda, 53, the first Toyoda in 14 years to run the company, to ensure that prediction doesn't come true. First, he'll have to guide Toyota through unfamiliar times.

"We're facing a once-in-a-century crisis," Akio said, referring to the recession, in a January news conference after his appointment as president.

In a nod to Toyota's new austerity, Akio, wearing a dark-gray suit with a pale-pink tie, spoke in the lobby of the company's Tokyo office instead of at the Palace Hotel or one of the other upscale venues of previous years.

"I'll try to make changes without being tied down by the past," he said, reading carefully from a script. "I will consider measures quickly."

Akio has been huddling in Japan with 11 department heads to discuss ways to slow Toyota's expansion without completely killing it, people familiar with the meetings say. He's planning to appoint five executive vice presidents in key regions such as North America. They'll handle product development, manufacturing and sales locally. The heads of these departments currently report to executives in Japan, which slows decision making.

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Some suppliers and dealers resisted Akio's ascension to president, saying he'll have a hard time breaking from Watanabe, people familiar with the situation say. For one thing, managers Akio is promoting supported Watanabe's expansion, including Yoshimi Inaba, 63, who'll head North American operations, and Yukitoshi Funo, 62, who'll run global sales.

During Watanabe's tenure as president, Akio and Shoichiro backed major decisions such as building new factories, the people say.

"I don't think anybody sees Akio as a highly original kind of guy, but he's really earnest," says James Womack, chairman of the Lean Enterprise Institute in Cambridge, Mass., which trains companies on the automaker's methods for cutting production costs.

Akio's quest to fix Toyota will take him to the scene of one of its biggest setbacks: a former cattle ranch in San Antonio where 600-pound wild pigs roam the underbrush.

In 2003, Toyota announced the factory in an effort to undermine Detroit's last great profit bastion: pickups. The Texas plant opened in November 2006, just months before cracks emerged in the U.S. subprime-mortgage market and gasoline prices began their rise. Timing was just one issue.

"There was a lot of non-Toyota thinking," says Shook, the former Toyota engineer. "San Antonio seemed kind of crazy."

Starting with its first U.S. factory in 1988, Toyota built the Camry midsize sedan and others that had first proved their popularity in Japan, Shook says. It designed each assembly line to accommodate many models.

In Texas, Toyota broke these rules by dedicating a whole plant to the largest pickup the company had ever conceived, the Tundra.

Watanabe authorized $3 billion for the effort, a person familiar with the situation says. He planned to turn out 250,000 Tundras a year in San Antonio and Princeton, Ind. Today, Toyota builds 100,000 annually, only in Texas.

Detroit's turf

Toyota was challenging Detroit where it was strongest, says Eric Noble, president of the research firm Car Lab in Orange, Calif.

As Toyota was learning the truck-building ropes, Ford redesigned its F-150 pickup. The new regular-cab F-150, with its 3,030-pound payload and 20 highway mpg for the midsize engine, was an exemplary achievement in the same way that the Prius is Toyota's best, Noble says.

By comparison, the Tundra had a 1,990-pound payload and got 17 mpg. Even better for Ford, the F-150 won a five-star safety rating from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration compared with Tundra's four stars.

U.S. carmakers are catching up in quality, too. Chevrolet customers reported 113 quality complaints per 100 vehicles in 2008, compared with 104 for Toyota, according to J.D. Power & Associates, which tracks consumer satisfaction. In 1981, GM had seven times the complaints of Toyota.

On the luxury end, Hyundai is chasing Toyota's Lexus GS with its Genesis, a premium sedan that sells for $10,000 less. Hyundai also is preparing to bring its top-end Equus to the U.S.

For the Tundra pickup, the killer was price, dealer Cummings says. Toyota charged $29,568 for a typical Tundra in 2007. That was $4,000 too much based on what potential buyers told him, Cummings says. "By charging too much, we forced customers to look elsewhere," he says.

Kaizen-sparked improvements are taking root in San Antonio. Production manager Dan Antis says employees studied everything from workplace diversity to how to hold a screwdriver.

Saving 11 seconds

Standing near the assembly line's end, team leader William Steubing says he wanted a better way to handle a 20-pound plastic box that carries parts alongside unfinished trucks.

Initially, Steubing's team attached the box to metal frames holding the trucks. As the Tundras moved along the line, workers reached into the box for parts. When they emptied the box, they'd lift it off the carrier and carry it back for refilling.

During the shutdown, workers designed a conveyor to do that job. Now, as a truck moves forward, the conveyor tilts up a corner of the empty box and snaps it off the carrier. The box falls onto the conveyor and rolls back for refilling. The change saves 11 seconds of walking per truck.

Steubing and his co-workers also got training in welding and metal cutting. Then they recycled old conveyors, spending $2,000 compared with $90,000 that Toyota engineers had planned for a motorized conveyor.

These and more than 400 kaizen projects are making an impact. Defects that workers reported in an internal audit fell to 0.2 per truck from 1.2, comparable with Toyota's best worldwide. Productivity measured by trucks made per worker per day, not including temporary laborers, rose to 0.91 from 0.73.

Toyota's North American factories need to run at 70 to 75 percent of capacity to break even, Tanguay says. They were at 60 percent in March. In September, the North American factories will break even, he says.

Amid the upheaval, Toyota is making strategic shifts. It's building more compact cars and setting up factories in emerging markets and countries with large reserves of resources such as oil, Watanabe said in May.

It doesn't have much choice. Sales at the Lexus luxury unit had generated more than half of U.S. earnings, with 12 percent of sales, in the middle of the decade. Consumers' lust cooled when the average U.S. price for regular gasoline topped $4 a gallon in July 2008. During the first quarter of 2009, Toyota's U.S. pickup, minivan and SUV sales plunged 40 percent. Lexus sales dropped 37 percent.

The danger is that Toyota's moves toward smaller vehicles may cut earnings in half, even after the recession ends, says Koji Endo, an analyst at Credit Suisse in Tokyo. And nobody's sure how the price of gas, which has fluctuated by more than $2 a gallon in the past year, will affect consumer desires.

"Toyota faces an identity crisis," Casesa, the consultant, says. "Their spectacularly successful business model is not working, and they are undergoing profound internal change with the new president."

Shoichiro's retirement from Toyota's board means Akio may be the next Toyoda to speak to managers in the redbrick Nagoya factory.

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Please list all the Toyota defenses you have seen since your last post.

By the way, criticising you and cousincletus doesn't count as defending Toyota. Show us what was actually said to exonerate Toyota.
 
You know, I've seen the commercial a number of times now. Maybe it's just my Detroit bias showing but I think it was a mistake to use Hollywood Toyota as the center piece.

When I see Hollywood attached to anything, I think fake and made up. I think mass market and hype over substance.

Was Hollywood Toyota the first dealership here stateside or something? Why Hollywood?
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
You know, I've seen the commercial a number of times now. Maybe it's just my Detroit bias showing but I think it was a mistake to use Hollywood Toyota as the center piece.

When I see Hollywood attached to anything, I think fake and made up. I think mass market and hype over substance.

Was Hollywood Toyota the first dealership here stateside or something? Why Hollywood?



Maybe it's because the greater L.A. area is basically 'New Kyoto'??
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
They've been owned by Bridgestone, which is Japanese, since 1988. LOL.

Which was still made in the U.S and Canada. Anyway, A good friend of mine has a brother who is the service manager at a Ford dealership. We had a long discussion on the Toyota recall and we both agree that this will only make Toyota stronger in the long run. They will concentrate on quality again instead of quantity. He told me that they did a survey of 100 toyota owners asking if they would buy another toyota again after this recall. 97% said yes. Most toyota drivers are very loyal to the brand and have puchased many toyotas in the past. By the way Ford holds #1 spot for the most number of recalls. 18 million, majority being the Ford Explorer.
 
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