My 2020 RAV4 Hybrid got hit with this. At exactly the 1 year mark, my fob based remote start died along with my other subscriptions. A bunch of us over at the RAV4 forums started bombarding Toyota with complaint emails and just a few months ago, I got a call from the dealer saying “Disconnect your 12V battery for half an hour, Toyota just pushed an update that we think you’ll appreciate.” My fob based remote start is now functioning fine without a subscription. Toyota caved.
Toyota to charge $8.00/mo to start vehicle with fob
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Unless you belong to the mafia, do people have that many enemies and think they are so bomb-worthy that remote starting their cars is a useful function? I’ve had it in a few cars and tested it occasionally, but except for a party trick, see no significant purpose for this.
I am against remote start, it's bad for the environment. I admit that 2 of our cars have this tech - but it wouldn't be something I'd pay extra for.
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My Tacoma is already like this. No subscription, no remote start from the fob...
I will say though remote starting the truck from your phone before leaving work to melt the ice on the windshield is nice...
I will say though remote starting the truck from your phone before leaving work to melt the ice on the windshield is nice...
Wonder what the click-bait king Scotty Kilmer will say about this
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In cold locales, parents with kids in car seats use this. You aren't supposed to have your kid in a thick coat because they can slip through the straps. Infants ride in those detatchable "buckets" but when they outgrow that, it's off to the cold car seat for little Jimmy.
I like getting into a warm and defrosted car after a 12 shift. I’m not scraping ice off my windows when it’s 0F and windy. Wipe the roof off and away I go.
Reminds me of many nights getting off at midnight and starting up the truck and scraping. Most times I also scraped other peoples windshields.
My mom and dad were the complete opposite; they would open the car, grab the scraper and spend several minutes scraping the windows. Finally, they'd get back in the car and start it up. Of course, the windows would fog up immediately because they'd worked up a sweat from all that scraping. Those WWII gas rationing memories must've stuck with them all those years...
I'm exactly the same way, I'm not wasting gas...or any other resources, I try my best to not waste anything, I absolutely hate that but its a personality thing, most of the people I know waste a lot of things, and gas is no exception to them.
I will always clean my car of snow or ice before starting it up, and I do not wait and let the car warm up either since reading and understanding it more here on BITOG and my car manual, motor oils nowadays are more than good enough at startup
Residual income is one of the best things a company can do to get money out of you. Pretty soon you see that charge on your card so often you don't think anything about it. Netflix and Pandora are the two that got me by offering it free for a set period of time.
In time, software will probably be Tesla's biggest revenue source.
There is no end to what they can do with the subscription model either. $$/Month for all kinds of things. Creative leasing, financing, feature spoonfeeding, to what end? It's never going to be a "forever" car like the good old days. Think of the 1996 Toyota purchased new and cared for, lasting forever essentially.
Tesla is so high tech, so connected, that who knows what might happen? They could *tinfoil hat on* disable your car if your not behaving yourself in society.
That could be a huge benefit to law enforcement!
Tesla already knows where your car is, which is a big deterrent to theft.
Of course, smartass phones already show where you are at, so that ship has already sailed...
It's a feature until whomever controlling it uses it unjustly. Invading privacy, profiling certain groups, that sort of thing.
Toyota's been YEARS behind everyone else with remote start so i'm not surprised they would do something else dumb related to it. Some GM vehicles as early as 2003 had factory remote start.
Do you think this is new to Tesla?
I worked as a programmer to the company who supplied the 911 Police and Fire Dispatch software. This was in the 1980's. The amount of information they had on you at that time was beyond belief, at least to me.
Your computer, cell and the Internet have exposed you to the world.
If you're not doing something illegal, you have nothing to worry about.
Yes, but we have a choice in what our vehicle does for us or to us. Modern Teslas have tons of cameras documenting exactly what you look like, where your going, what you might be doing, ect. Somebody (Tesla, Government agency, hacker?) could single out a person or group of people and control their vehicle. An old camry performs the same day in day out no matter who is driving. Unless they are really fat, then it accelerates slower.
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