Toyota - The recall KING?
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Not that the information isn't good, but I take the opinions of bloggers with a grain of salt (that goes for Internet forums too
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As long as they do not get as bad as GM......
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Not to mention, when Toyota DOES have a recall, they do it right in my experience.
GM has not.
Scott
GM has not.
Scott
LMAO! Are you kidding me.
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Make that Nuclear PRK Hyundai.
That must be the reason that Toyota didn't recall all of the sludge prone engines they manufactured. There was no way to do it right without replacing the entire engine.A very expensive endeavor in my estimation. Note they changed the design in future models in which the problem was eliminated.In this respect they are certainly no better than any other auto maker IMHO.
Rickey just sit the bottle down and step away from the Aigia home electro-convolsive therapy kit! Toyota warrantied every sludge prone V6 and some of their I4's. All the owners had to do was establish that the vechile had had at least one oil change dureing the year that the sludgeing occured. Most dealers did not push to hard for proof either!Not every V6 Toyota made had a problem it was limited to a select number of years. It also only affected the V6 blocks in FWD vechiles the truck V6 blocks are a different casting. It is not like GM with 20 years of leaking gaskets and seals that could have been easily fixed.
We were talkin 'bout Toyotas recalls here. They need a recall for their defective and unsafely designed "sudger" engines IMHO. In other words a promise of extended warranty is not a recall. They admitted to a problem and IMHO they need to solve it with a recall. Especially if they wish to remain in the top ten makers.
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The thing that I dont see here is relative numbers, either total or normalized for toyota and GM (heck, even put Honda's numbers in there).
Could it be that toyota's quality has stayed constant, while quality from GM (which some would say has been non-existant for the last 20 or so years at least) is getting to be on par, just simply squeezing them out of some of the spots by virtue of numbers, not any real quality metric at all???
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Could it be that toyota's quality has stayed constant, while quality from GM (which some would say has been non-existant for the last 20 or so years at least) is getting to be on par, just simply squeezing them out of some of the spots by virtue of numbers, not any real quality metric at all???
JMH
Oh, I see, YOU want it done a certain way or it doesn't count?
Thanks for clarifying.
The hate is so obvious...
maybe toyo is the only company to step up with recalls. look at dodge they had a ball joint problem that took the governement to make them recall the ________. they still have that heater core problem in the dakota but still havent issued a recall. I guess one they have no fix for it and 2 if peopel buys the OEM part its over $300. so easy money for them.
so maybe more auto manufactures should follow toyota lead and start fixing their ________.
so maybe more auto manufactures should follow toyota lead and start fixing their ________.
If many buyers would report a possible defect with the car at www.nhtsa.com, maybe they would step in and make the manufactures fix or replace defective parts.
When I first came to BITOG site, the Toyota sludge monster problem was front and center. Why? Because people were having their engines sieze up left and right despite changing their oil at 5,000 miles or less, as specified as the minimum oil change interval by Toyota. Just think if a big percentage of these Toyota owners didn't change their oil at the 3,000 mile intervals(but instead the recommended Toyota minimum of 5,000 miles) like many of the current anal owners of all cars do in this country. The disaster would have been far greater for owners of Toyotas.
UOAs of 3.0 liter Toyota V6s with regular, pre SM oil were showing nearly depleted properties at 3,000 mile UOAs. People who trusted Toyota with the 5,000 mile interval with regualr API oil were putting themselves at great risk.
Now when I started reading in 2002 how Toyota was treating this issue - it was the customers fault for lack of maintence. I also read that the state of California had downgraded Toyota as a company NOT to do business with and there was a pending class action lawsuit. Armed with the things we know now and the maintenance people DID do to their cars including correct servicing at the dealerships; Toyota would not have been able to buy out their great reputation with lawyers.
So what happened it Toyota said it will fix the cars as long as the customers had a receipt for an oil change within the preceding year. BUT TOYOTA STILL MAINTAINS IT'S THE CUSTOMERS FAULT, DO TO LACK OF MAINTENACE.
Anyone that defends Toyota for this obviusly has a hate for the American automakers as far as I'm concerned.
UOAs of 3.0 liter Toyota V6s with regular, pre SM oil were showing nearly depleted properties at 3,000 mile UOAs. People who trusted Toyota with the 5,000 mile interval with regualr API oil were putting themselves at great risk.
Now when I started reading in 2002 how Toyota was treating this issue - it was the customers fault for lack of maintence. I also read that the state of California had downgraded Toyota as a company NOT to do business with and there was a pending class action lawsuit. Armed with the things we know now and the maintenance people DID do to their cars including correct servicing at the dealerships; Toyota would not have been able to buy out their great reputation with lawyers.
So what happened it Toyota said it will fix the cars as long as the customers had a receipt for an oil change within the preceding year. BUT TOYOTA STILL MAINTAINS IT'S THE CUSTOMERS FAULT, DO TO LACK OF MAINTENACE.
Anyone that defends Toyota for this obviusly has a hate for the American automakers as far as I'm concerned.
You don't understand what recalls are for. They are not for problems alone but really for safety issues that cause imminent danger to the occupants of a vehicle or other vehicles. A sludged motor does not die instantly, its more a gradual process with a blantant warning before the engine finally shuts down of a low oil pressure warning light and possibly check engine light.
Toyota put forth a valid fix approach.
No car company is perfect. And IMHO your right they are just like all the others not perfect.
How about that Honda tranny recall!!!
oh sorry......wrong thread........
oh sorry......wrong thread........
The Toyota sludgers were (are still?) locking up on the interstate at speed. THATS A SAFETY ISSUE IMHO. I saw a smoking late model Camry yesterday on the way to Raleigh. They're still out there. Not to mention the emissions compliance aspect of their problem. "Oh what a feeling"
I firmly believe that the sumps in the Toyota sludgers are too small. That certainly appears to be the cause with the Audi sludger--4 whopping quarts for a 1.8L turbocharged engine. 4 quarts probably would've been OK were it normally aspirated.
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