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On the newer Toyotas oil changes under warranty are done at the 10K mark. Is this ok?
Toyota oil change question
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Not for me.
That depends. Do you trust Toyota, or a bunch of old dudes on the internet?
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Until what changes?
Stuff. Anything. Everything. Nothing.
On my PFI engines, at least my boring Toyota ones, 10k oil changes was easy-peasy, all the UOA's here showed good results, and there was a lack of evidence on the web of engine wear, across multiple persons and multiple engines and multiple engine families. Lots of antidotal evidence that 10k was just fine, at least for average drivers using halfway decent oil.
Then 0W16 came along, and there seems to be SOME evidence of oil burning at higher miles. Is it from the 0W16, or is it from DI? Or neither, as it's an engine family problem?
If 0W16 changes formulation in the future, 10k OCI's might be fine. Nothing stays the same, so maybe a change to 0W16 would let me go back to 10k. If I buy a different car/engine, and it spec's a different oil, well that'd be different. And maybe if I wait a bit longer, without 0W16 changing, maybe engines 5 years now (let's ignore any ICE ban stuff for the moment) will be perfectly happy on 20k OCI's on 0W16.
Alternatively, as more of the A25A engines get high miles on them, maybe we'll find that 10k was suitable, that initial reports from the field were in error. Maybe 10k is just fine for them.
Currently, based on the data I know of today, I elected to go with 5k. The data I could have tomorrow might point to a different conclusion.
My crystal ball is hazy--how's yours?
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You mean WISE old dudes grasshopper.
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Toyota told me that the 10K was due to the new kind of oil and that anyone who changes sooner is just wasting money and being old fashioned. LOL as this came from a 20 something service advisor talking to a 60 year old adult.
I'd do 10k with a regular full syn but only if id drive a lot more highway than city and racked that up in a few months. If i was using m1 or castrol ep then I'd do it without issue. Those extended drain oil do well. But I'd only do 7k tops with my driving and regular oil. I'd also use 0w-20.
I've ALWAYS done the 1st oil change at 1,000 miles and so does the Car care Nut.
The following one are always done around 5,000 miles.
The 10K OCI is a marketing wish not a mechanic's.
My last Toyota lasted for 480,000 Km with only reg maintenance and the OCI I mentioned above,
my current Lexus RX350 follows in the footsteps.
Obviously if you changed the oil every 2.5k it would have lasted 960,000 km
We don't even know what kind of vehicle/engine the OP has to make an informed comment.
How long you plan to keep the car? If less than 100K miles, then sure.
Toyota's ratings are for the expected service life of the car, which are far fewer than my expected service life.
Toyota's ratings are for the expected service life of the car, which are far fewer than my expected service life.
Toyota calls its ATF lifetime fluid. Asin, who makes the transmission, does not.
10K OCIs are more of a marketing thing, IMO. Toyota did it to keep up with other car companies.
My guess is, they expect customers to keep their cars on an average of 100K to 150K.
5K OCI is cheap insurance. I leave the filter on for 2 or even 3 services and use the MityVac for 15 minute, easy peasey, no mess oil changes.
I have 2 cars with over 210K that I never even check the oil level; there is no need to.
Toyota is in the same camp as other makers who've stretched the truth to list lower maintenance costs on paper. This makes them untrustworthy.
The old dudes in this case include those who've seen lubrication failures' damage first hand AND who know the value of losing a few cents worth of an oil's value due to an early change.
Changing oil early is a legit expense considering how expensive it is to have oil lab tested. Lab testing oil is great for fleets or big equipment.
Endeavoring to get every bit of usable life from each oil change interval is simply too expensive for the single vehicle operator.
Enough people have tested their oil (including me) to render the now common "5 to 6 thausand mile" OCI a practical one.
The 7,500 mile OCI recommended by my car's manufacturer tested "just barely OK". So 5-6, and maybe a little more, is OK.
Hey, we know, through testing, that many cold drivers should change oil sooner than 5,000 miles, Heck, even Nissan still has its 3,750 mile OCI for severe uses in some engines.
Believing in absolute 10,000 mile OCIs is just plain stupid. Toyota doesn't care if you destroy your engine after warranty.
And yet, they will happily sell you an extended warranty, or CPO a vehicle out to a much longer warranty than the factory one.
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No, it's not okay at all. Do 5K to 7K OCIs if you want to keep that Toyota for a while.