Toyota Genuine 0W20 - E-Mail Response From Toyota

[CATERHAM]

Well guys I emailed Toyota Canada about the Toyota Brand 0W-20
and I got a reply with the identical spec's as given to the OP.
Furthermore for what it's worth she stated that the oil was synthetic.
I asked some more questions and will post any more info that I can find.

 

[rcy]

When I checked (in winter 2007) the Honda brand 0w20 oil sold up here in Ontario, Canada was made my Idemitsu. Every other grade was made by Petro Canada. I did call them at that time and they were very forthcoming, telling me that they did make the Honda Oil and that Honda had some special specs for the 0w20 that their 0w20 didn't meet, which is why Idemitsu was making it.

Fast forward to earlier this week. I called Petro Can and asked if their 0w20 was Group iii, iv or v. While still very nice, I was told that they were not allowed to give that out anymore (apparently they were a little TOO forthcoming in the past and someone got spanked). I then asked if they made the oil for Toyota like they did for Honda. Without saying yes, I was told that they do supply a lot of oil for OE manufacturers.

 

[CATERHAM]

PC syn oil's are definitely GP III as indicated by their MSDS info.
The local Toyota dealer parts mgr told me the Toyota Brand 0W-20 was supplied by ESSO (Imperial Oil Canada). I emailed Toyota Canada to see if they will confirm that.

 

[Gen1GT]

Originally Posted By: steveh
With a VI of 214 it might be a conventional. QS used to make a conventional winter blend and it had a VI over 200.


I'd love to see a data sheet of a conventional oil with a VI of 200+

 

[Geonerd]

Originally Posted By: byez


In regards to the pour point we unfortunately don't have this information; however, 0W20 motor oil is meant for cold weather performance and a Cold Crank Simulation (CCS) test that has been done below -35C. The oil flows like water when poured down a sheet of dry ice."


I'm calling Bee Ess on the 'flows like water' spiel! Redline's 0w-20 has one of the lowest official Pour Points I've seen, -76F. Remember that PP is the temp at which the oil MOVES - with all the speed of molasses in winter - down an inclined plane or out of a beaker. I have a hard time believing ANY mainstream automotive oil will flow freely at -100F, the temp at which solid C02 sublimates.

 

[yannis]

Originally Posted By: rcy
I called Petro Can and asked if their 0w20 was Group iii, iv or v.

As a matter of fact they have answered to your question.
If it were mostly PAO or group V they would have told you. So it's got to be group III .

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
PC syn oil's are definitely GP III as indicated by their MSDS info.
The local Toyota dealer parts mgr told me the Toyota Brand 0W-20 was supplied by ESSO (Imperial Oil Canada). I emailed Toyota Canada to see if they will confirm that.


Toyota got back to me and said the oil supplier name was not available (or wouldn't say).

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Toyota got back to me and said the oil supplier name was not available (or wouldn't say).


Of course the true reason is "wouldnt say" but this might lead one to believe that the oil *isnt* Esso formulated. I can kind of understand why the formulating company wouldn't want to have their identity revealed *if* they also marketed the 'same' product under their own name at the retail level. But ESSO has no ESSO bottled 0W20 to compete or be compared to the Toyota house brand.

So maybe it is supplied by a company which simultaneously produces the exact grade for sale under their own name.

 

[dkryan]

Is this a "Maple Leaf only" post or can I get in on this?

I saw 0w-20 oil at the local Toyota dealer about six months ago, priced at $3.50 per quart.

I'm going to have to drive around the block tomorrow and see if they still have it at that price. I'm not holding my breath that the parts guy knows from where it is sourced.

I can understand 5w-20 being less than stellar at that price, but I'm real curious as to who produces a 0w-20 at $3.50US retail.

 

[rcy]

Originally Posted By: yannis
Originally Posted By: rcy
I called Petro Can and asked if their 0w20 was Group iii, iv or v.

As a matter of fact they have answered to your question.
If it were mostly PAO or group V they would have told you. So it's got to be group III .


Huh? They refused to tell me what group it was, period. How does this equate to Group iii? Likely it is Group III, but they didn't tell me that.

 

[CATERHAM]

I believe the Toyota house brand oil in the States has a different source than the Canadian Toyota product. The bottle packaging is entirely different for starters.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: Geonerd
Originally Posted By: byez


In regards to the pour point we unfortunately don't have this information; however, 0W20 motor oil is meant for cold weather performance and a Cold Crank Simulation (CCS) test that has been done below -35C. The oil flows like water when poured down a sheet of dry ice."


I'm calling Bee Ess on the 'flows like water' spiel! Redline's 0w-20 has one of the lowest official Pour Points I've seen, -76F. Remember that PP is the temp at which the oil MOVES - with all the speed of molasses in winter - down an inclined plane or out of a beaker. I have a hard time believing ANY mainstream automotive oil will flow freely at -100F, the temp at which solid C02 sublimates.



I agree. When I see nonsense like that it puts all the info supplied in doubt, particularly when they're reporting a market leading VI of 214.
The OP said he was going to do a used oil analysis. If he makes a point of testing for both 100C and 40C vis then we can confirm the VI.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: elwaylite
I think its ENEOS. People in the know think the same thing. Its a very pricey oil, but it is API. If Im gonna spend that much, cough*redline*cough.


I think you may be right for a number of reasons:

-First, this post came up last year and a couple of members in the know, including avexis and skoh were certain that it's made by Nippon Oil who sell their own 0W-20 grade under the ENEOS brand.
-Second, Nippon Oil is the factory fill of all Toyota's in Japan
-Third, no domestic oil company makes a 0W-20 oil with a VI even close to 200 but ENEOS does.

 

[PT1]

I'll be using my $2/qt Quaker State Q Horsepower 5w20 in my 2.4L Rav4 along with a $4 pure one filter. $5 qt is too expensive IMO. As is the $6 denso filter.

 

[CATERHAM]

PT1, do you know the price of the Toyota brand 0W-20 with US Toyota dealers?

 

[Geo_Prizm]

Originally Posted By: PT1
I'll be using my $2/qt Quaker State Q Horsepower 5w20 in my 2.4L Rav4 along with a $4 pure one filter. $5 qt is too expensive IMO. As is the $6 denso filter.


Denso filters are made in Thailand, right? Not made in Japan.They are not that good. I prefer Purolator too.

 

[rcy]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
PC syn oil's are definitely GP III as indicated by their MSDS info.
The local Toyota dealer parts mgr told me the Toyota Brand 0W-20 was supplied by ESSO (Imperial Oil Canada). I emailed Toyota Canada to see if they will confirm that.


I was at the Lexus dealer today, (in Oakville, Ontario, CANADA) and the parts guy there also said that Esso supplies their oil. Now if Esso doesn't have a 0w20 of their own, but they are at one with Mobil, is it possible that the 0w20 here in Canada is Mobil?

Also, while at the dealership, the parts guy told me that all their oil is now 0w20. I browsed quite a few 2009 and 2010 owner's manuals online at lexus.com and it does appear that they are spec'ing 0w20 right across the board.

Not sure what they do when an older vehicle comes in that hasn't been back spec'd for this weight.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
PT1, do you know the price of the Toyota brand 0W-20 with US Toyota dealers?


The ebay listing is from a Toyota dealer in Va. I have bought parts from them.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Originally Posted By: PT1
I'll be using my $2/qt Quaker State Q Horsepower 5w20 in my 2.4L Rav4 along with a $4 pure one filter. $5 qt is too expensive IMO. As is the $6 denso filter.


Denso filters are made in Thailand, right? Not made in Japan.They are not that good. I prefer Purolator too.


Some in Japan & some in Thailand. I still use the OE canister element but the spin on ones get a Pure One which is a better filter for less cash. My syn oil change on the Rav is $14. Dealer wants $59 and you have to wait 1 hour for the opportunity to overpay.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: rcy
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
PC syn oil's are definitely GP III as indicated by their MSDS info.
The local Toyota dealer parts mgr told me the Toyota Brand 0W-20 was supplied by ESSO (Imperial Oil Canada). I emailed Toyota Canada to see if they will confirm that.


I was at the Lexus dealer today, (in Oakville, Ontario, CANADA) and the parts guy there also said that Esso supplies their oil. Now if Esso doesn't have a 0w20 of their own, but they are at one with Mobil, is it possible that the 0w20 here in Canada is Mobil?

Also, while at the dealership, the parts guy told me that all their oil is now 0w20. I browsed quite a few 2009 and 2010 owner's manuals online at lexus.com and it does appear that they are spec'ing 0w20 right across the board.

Not sure what they do when an older vehicle comes in that hasn't been back spec'd for this weight.


My 2008 says 0w20 or 5w20 on the oil cap and in the manual. So it gets the Quaker State Q Horsepower 5w20 for $10 a 5 quart jug