Toyota Genuine 0W20 - E-Mail Response From Toyota

[byez]

"We would like to take this opportunity to provide you with the specifications you requested for 0w20 motor oil.

The specifications are as follows:

Kinematic Viscosity at 40C: 39.3
Kinematic Viscosity at 100C: 8.8
Flash Point: Over 200C
Viscosity Index: 214

In regards to the pour point we unfortunately don't have this information; however, 0W20 motor oil is meant for cold weather performance and a Cold Crank Simulation (CCS) test that has been done below -35C. The oil flows like water when poured down a sheet of dry ice."

It was assumed that this was re branded Mobil 1 0w20 but the specs don't quite match up. Any other guesses as to the contents of this oil?

 

[pbm]

Eneos?

 

[elwaylite]

I think its ENEOS. People in the know think the same thing. Its a very pricey oil, but it is API. If Im gonna spend that much, cough*redline*cough.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: byez
"We would like to take this opportunity to provide you with the specifications you requested for 0w20 motor oil.

The specifications are as follows:

Kinematic Viscosity at 40C: 39.3
Kinematic Viscosity at 100C: 8.8
Flash Point: Over 200C
Viscosity Index: 214

In regards to the pour point we unfortunately don't have this information; however, 0W20 motor oil is meant for cold weather performance and a Cold Crank Simulation (CCS) test that has been done below -35C. The oil flows like water when poured down a sheet of dry ice."

It was assumed that this was re branded Mobil 1 0w20 but the specs don't quite match up. Any other guesses as to the contents of this oil?



I can pick up from my local Toyota dealer the Toyota brand 0W-20 for $5.59 cdn per litre. I took a look at the bottle this past summer and it contains little info and it does not claim to be synthetic. The parts manager said "it's not synthetic not at that price". I had to agree that's a low price from a dealer.

The stat's quoted to you are terrific with an incredibly high VI of 214. Quite frankly I don't believe it.
If some members are interested I'll buy a litre of the Toyota oil and have a VOA done if some will contribute to the cost.

 

[mva]

Every 0W20 oil is synthetic.

 

[steveh]

With a VI of 214 it might be a dino. QS used to make a dino winter blend and it had a VI over 200.

 

[SilverC6]

The 0W-20 at my local Toyota dealer is marked synthetic.

 

[fsskier]

I have been eagerly waiting to see if Toyota "back approves"
0W20 for my 2008 Sienna. Anybody see anything???

 

[byez]

Toyota does claim it IS synthetic, at least they did so in a recent article regarding the oil. I should have kept that article, it was in the most recent Toyota newsletter/magazine that was mailed to me.

The oil costs me $4.50 Can/liter when i buy a box of 12. So no I wont be switching to Redline any time soon especially when I am still in warranty period and doing 8,000 km changes.

 

[byez]

I have been running this oil for 50,000 km in my Tundra 5.7 at 8,000 km intervals. I think its time for a used oil analysis.

 

[Leo]

You'd think an oil with extremely high VI would be synthetic?

 

[SilverC6]

Here's some for sale on Ebay....

It says synthetic on the bottle. Right under the little piston.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Genuine-T...=item4837f3248f

 

[CATERHAM]

That's not the same Toyota brand oil that's sold here in Ontario, Canada.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: mva
Every 0W20 oil is synthetic.


I used to think so as well, but
not only is the Toyota brand sold here NOT syn' neither is the house brand Honda 0W-20.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: steveh
With a VI of 214 it might be a dino. QS used to make a dino winter blend and it had a VI over 200.


They still do here in Canada in both a 5W-20 and 5w30 grade.
Both are a synthetic blend.
The VI is 161 and 170 respectively.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: byez
I have been running this oil for 50,000 km in my Tundra 5.7 at 8,000 km intervals. I think its time for a used oil analysis.


byez, does the labeling on the bottle say it's synthetic?
The Toyota brand oil I saw certainly didn't.
If you're going to have a used oil analysis done it would be great if the gave both the 100C and 40C vis this way we can confirm the VI.
Both Wear Check and Toromont will do it if you ask.

 

[G-MAN]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: mva
Every 0W20 oil is synthetic.


I used to think so as well, but
not only is the Toyota brand sold here NOT syn' neither is the house brand Honda 0W-20.


0w20 can only be made with Group III, Group IV, or Group V base oils--or a combination thereof.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: mva
Every 0W20 oil is synthetic.


I used to think so as well, but
not only is the Toyota brand sold here NOT syn' neither is the house brand Honda 0W-20.


0w20 can only be made with Group III, Group IV, or Group V base oils--or a combination thereof.
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: mva
Every 0W20 oil is synthetic.


I used to think so as well, but
not only is the Toyota brand sold here NOT syn' neither is the house brand Honda 0W-20.


0w20 can only be made with Group III, Group IV, or Group V base oils--or a combination thereof.



If that is the case, then I strongly suspect these house brand oils that are only sold through their own dealerships are not true 0W oils.
If the product is not labeled as being synthetic, if the parts personnel is adamant it's not synthetic and it's not priced as a synthetic then I'm inclined to think it's mostly dino.
If it walks like duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it's pretty safe to assume it's a duck.

 

[G-MAN]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: mva
Every 0W20 oil is synthetic.


I used to think so as well, but
not only is the Toyota brand sold here NOT syn' neither is the house brand Honda 0W-20.


0w20 can only be made with Group III, Group IV, or Group V base oils--or a combination thereof.
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: mva
Every 0W20 oil is synthetic.


I used to think so as well, but
not only is the Toyota brand sold here NOT syn' neither is the house brand Honda 0W-20.


0w20 can only be made with Group III, Group IV, or Group V base oils--or a combination thereof.



If that is the case, then I strongly suspect these house brand oils that are only sold through their own dealerships are not true 0W oils.
If the product is not labeled as being synthetic, if the parts personnel is adamant it's not synthetic and it's not priced as a synthetic then I'm inclined to think it's mostly dino.
If it walks like duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it's pretty safe to assume it's a duck.


I would draw the opposite conclusion. There is no requirement that a synthetic oil be labeled as "synthetic." However, there is a requirement that if it's labeled as 0w20 it actually has to be 0w20.

 

[CATERHAM]

G-Man, I'm just trying to find the truth here.

There is so much marketing cache with the term 'Synthetic' when it comes to selling motor oil, it makes no sense not to divulge that reality if it is indeed the case.
That in conjunction with the product not being priced as a synthetic and being told in no uncertain terms by company staff that it is not synthetic; to my way of thinking, it would be less than prudent to conclude that it is a synthetic product.

The OP said he was going to shortly have a used oil analysis done. I will look forward to the posting of that report.
I suspect the PDS info sited is for the US Toyota 0W-20 product which comes in a different bottle that is labeled synthetic and is expensively priced.