Originally Posted By: Rix
I was just commenting on the .30 caliber portion that's all. All said in humor, no malice or ill will. Just a funny comment.
With that said..... if I ever WAS to carry a pistol chambered in tokarev, I am not worried about poking holes vs. giant wound tracts.
Yeah, no problem, no offense taken.
Originally Posted By: Rix
Over penetration is a problem, no doubt. But me, my wife, my dad, my friends, etc dying is a bigger problem in my book.
But that's my point exactly. My raising the issue of over penetration isn't mainly about being worried about hitting someone behind the bad guy (though that's certainly an issue), the main problem is that if you've got a fast, relatively small caliber, FMJ round it tends to make nice neat holes that go in one side and out the other, having deposited little energy in the target and generating little tissue damage, hydraulic shock, trauma and large scale internal hemorrhaging (all things that you want to do to drop the bad guy quickly). You'd be surprised at how many places you can poke 0.30" holes clean through a human body without causing any immediate issues. If even if your 0.30" hole intersects something relatively vital the bad guy may not succumb for tens of minutes or even hours. In fact, you can poke a nice neat little hole through a lot of places that will ultimately be fatal but it might not even slow the guy down much for a half hour or so, long after he's had the chance to finish you.
Originally Posted By: Rix
I'd love to have a number of different, modern weapons, all chambered in tokarev.
I should start buying tokarev again, I think I'm under 1,000 rounds now.
/thread-jack.
Sorry.
I agree, I think these guns are interesting in and of themselves and that's why I'll be buying one soon. I personally like owning some of the old Soviet bloc weapons just because they are so interesting and a part of history and not everyone has them. And the Tokarev is a very powerful round that can do some pretty darn impressive things that few other pistol rounds can accomplish. And if I ever get attacked by a guy wearing body armor I know which pistol I'd pick up first. That said, if some crack addled guy breaks in my house, I'd probably reach for the 9mm or .45ACP first, but if the Tok was closer I wouldn't feel too bad about it, though I might think about different shot placement.
I was just commenting on the .30 caliber portion that's all. All said in humor, no malice or ill will. Just a funny comment.
With that said..... if I ever WAS to carry a pistol chambered in tokarev, I am not worried about poking holes vs. giant wound tracts.
Yeah, no problem, no offense taken.
Originally Posted By: Rix
Over penetration is a problem, no doubt. But me, my wife, my dad, my friends, etc dying is a bigger problem in my book.
But that's my point exactly. My raising the issue of over penetration isn't mainly about being worried about hitting someone behind the bad guy (though that's certainly an issue), the main problem is that if you've got a fast, relatively small caliber, FMJ round it tends to make nice neat holes that go in one side and out the other, having deposited little energy in the target and generating little tissue damage, hydraulic shock, trauma and large scale internal hemorrhaging (all things that you want to do to drop the bad guy quickly). You'd be surprised at how many places you can poke 0.30" holes clean through a human body without causing any immediate issues. If even if your 0.30" hole intersects something relatively vital the bad guy may not succumb for tens of minutes or even hours. In fact, you can poke a nice neat little hole through a lot of places that will ultimately be fatal but it might not even slow the guy down much for a half hour or so, long after he's had the chance to finish you.
Originally Posted By: Rix
I'd love to have a number of different, modern weapons, all chambered in tokarev.
I should start buying tokarev again, I think I'm under 1,000 rounds now.
/thread-jack.
Sorry.
I agree, I think these guns are interesting in and of themselves and that's why I'll be buying one soon. I personally like owning some of the old Soviet bloc weapons just because they are so interesting and a part of history and not everyone has them. And the Tokarev is a very powerful round that can do some pretty darn impressive things that few other pistol rounds can accomplish. And if I ever get attacked by a guy wearing body armor I know which pistol I'd pick up first. That said, if some crack addled guy breaks in my house, I'd probably reach for the 9mm or .45ACP first, but if the Tok was closer I wouldn't feel too bad about it, though I might think about different shot placement.