This is why I won't consider a Ford, Chevy or Toyota P/U

[i6pwr]

It's 2024, and they still don't get it. I would love to transition from a SUV to a P/U but I want to use the truck for vacations and general road trips, and I care about my 2nd row passengers.

Maybe some are fine without it, but it's obviously easy to do.....

Reclining 2nd row seats. RAM can do this even in the crew cab with the seats AGAINST the glass. This happens to be I believe the mega cab but same applies to their smaller cabs.

Older video but this is my deal breaker. Trucks are too $$ to not have this feature.

 

[ctechbob]

My big problem with this (and any 'luxury' truck) is that they load them so full of crap that you end up with a 1/2 ton truck with a 10-11k tow rating and then because they are so chock full of crap, they have a 1200lb payload, which makes them next to useless for actually doing 'truck stuff', let alone being able to actually tow what they're rated for and have people in the cab.

 

[CKN]

It's 2024, and they still don't get it. I would love to transition from a SUV to a P/U but I want to use the truck for vacations and general road trips, and I care about my 2nd row passengers.

Maybe some are fine without it, but it's obviously easy to do.....

Reclining 2nd row seats. RAM can do this even in the crew cab with the seats AGAINST the glass. This happens to be I believe the mega cab but same applies to their smaller cabs.

Older video but this is my deal breaker. Trucks are too $$ to not have this feature.

According to RAM forums-this feature isn't available on lower trims-notice on the website lists reclining seats as "available"-which is "manufacturers speak" for "option" depending on option packages and trim levels...
If I read the info correctly you have to step up to the Laramie for the feature.

 

[i6pwr]

According to RAM forums-this feature isn't available on lower trims-notice on the website lists reclining seats as "available"-which is "manufacturers speak" for "option" depending on option packages and trim levels...

This feature is avail on Laramie and above. I do wish it was avail on all trims but the fact it's avail on the Laramie is nice.

 

[dubber09]

Kinda wrong vehicle type for the purpose, no?

 

[Owen Lucas]

they have a 1200lb payload

In reality you can probably put 3x that amount. I've hauled close to 1200lb in my scion tC (20+ 50lb bags of gravel from floor to ceiling). Original shocks too!

 

[ctechbob]

In reality you can probably put 3x that amount. I've hauled close to 1200lb in my scion tC (20+ 50lb bags of gravel from floor to ceiling). Original shocks too!

Yea, but you're not doing that cross-country with an RV or anything. I'm talking about using the truck for what it is intended. Driving an overloaded truck long distance is no fun at all, and out there in legal no-mans-land should you get in or cause an accident.

Lots of 1/2 tons these days are optioned to the point they're not trucks. They're high-riding sedans with an uncovered trunk.

 

[SC Maintenance]

My big problem with this (and any 'luxury' truck) is that they load them so full of crap that you end up with a 1/2 ton truck with a 10-11k tow rating and then because they are so chock full of crap, they have a 1200lb payload, which makes them next to useless for actually doing 'truck stuff', let alone being able to actually tow what they're rated for and have people in the cab.

This is exactly it. Back before the crazy pricing times when my kids were supposed to go off to college not to return I was looking into getting a single cab / long box - like I had when I was young. It was supposed to be me and the Mrs. and 2 little dogs.

Base model had pretty good payload. As soon as you started adding any options it dropped to nothing. I think a loaded single cab 8 foot box had approximately the payload of my Frontier.

 

[Leo99]

Pickups never even had rear seats when I was a kid. Now, the rear seats need to recline.

 

[i6pwr]

Pickups never even had rear seats when I was a kid. Now, the rear seats need to recline.

Sure, why not?

Times have changed for sure..it's nice to have a toy hauler that you can use for other road trips, saves from needing another vehicle.

So much tech in a P/U for just about every scenario, even the spacious rear seating, but they continously miss the mark with fixed rear seats.

 

[Pablo]

How much does that baby cost?

 

[CKN]

In reality you can probably put 3x that amount. I've hauled close to 1200lb in my scion tC (20+ 50lb bags of gravel from floor to ceiling). Original shocks too!

I am looking for this exact situation and for somebody to run in to me.
I would like a new King Ranch pickup!

 

[c502cid]

Ram is working on a three row of seats truck. The 2 1/2 foot bed will be nice.

 

[i6pwr]

How much does that baby cost?

A new Laramie? I believe that trim is mid $50K to start, still $$$ though.

I would likely go with a 3/4 ton but don't want a hemi, not too terrible though. A used Diesel from the big 3 or even a Tundra would work.

I'm not going to pay $60K for 2 good front seats and a contractor 2nd row, but a used RAM 2500 diesel crew or mega cab Laramie is what I would settle with.

Every Silverado I have sat in have the same junky, flat, uncomfortable rear seats in just about every trim level.

 

[andrew_j]

My big problem with this (and any 'luxury' truck) is that they load them so full of crap that you end up with a 1/2 ton truck with a 10-11k tow rating and then because they are so chock full of crap, they have a 1200lb payload, which makes them next to useless for actually doing 'truck stuff', let alone being able to actually tow what they're rated for and have people in the cab.

99% of life of truck is hauling a bed of air.

 

[ctechbob]

99% of life of truck is hauling a bed of air.

Sure, it is now. Didn't used to be.

And it is severely screwing up things for those of us that want them to do work with. I'd love to have a new 2.7 Ranger or a Powerboost F150, but you can't get them in a fairly base model truck, nor can you get them with 2WD because Ford in their infinite wisdom has decided that there's no money there and that everyone should be driving a 4wd whether you want one or not.

(And they also killed the 'heavy half ton' HDPP, which granted was a niche truck in the first place, but still.)

 

[vwmaniaman]

I have a Ram 07 1500 Laramie. Has nice leather power seats in the front but non-reclining rear seats. I wish they did for my passengers but I tow my short 5th wheel camper with it. I have the Hemi in it. It has been a great vehicle and we have taken the family of 5 in it on vacations before. It now has 226K on it and still runs great and uses no oil between changes. I just wish somebody would make trucks that you can get into without having to have a step bar to get in or out. That's the only reason that I still have my 1990 Ford Ranger XLT. Rant over now.

 

[John105]

Pickups never even had rear seats when I was a kid. Now, the rear seats need to recline.

They also need computer systems that have 18 cameras so that the vehicle can line up properly when hitching up a trailer, while deciding how many cylinders to deactivate. Hard to believe that my dad went boating all by himself, launched his boat, parked the car, sailed, and finally he came home with the boat.

 

[BISCUT]

Sure, it is now. Didn't used to be.

And it is severely screwing up things for those of us that want them to do work with. I'd love to have a new 2.7 Ranger or a Powerboost F150, but you can't get them in a fairly base model truck, nor can you get them with 2WD because Ford in their infinite wisdom has decided that there's no money there and that everyone should be driving a 4wd whether you want one or not.

(And they also killed the 'heavy half ton' HDPP, which granted was a niche truck in the first place, but still.)

THat would depend upon your lens so to speak. I have had a 15 F150 5.0 Lariat since September 2015. Only 80k but has been a great truck to own. Only 80k miles on it. My purpose was home owner duties and a comfortable vehicle for me to travel with my 3 kids. We are Maine to Florida & Georgia for travel baseball all summer. I admit with some embarrassment that I would have been better served with an Expedition. But hey, such is life and it's a "problem" I'm glad to have.

To your point, while you have some features to deal with that are geared to those of us who aren't towing or using for traditional or daily work tasks; we also get to pay for some items we (me!) will likely never use. Neither of us is quite "right" and really, the one who makes out is the manufacturer as my wants/needs and your wants/needs add to the price!

 

[SC Maintenance]

99% of life of truck is hauling a bed of air.

Trash once a week. Mulch once a month. Stinky fishing stuff you don't want inside. Moved my kid to the apartment yesterday. Camping gear. The occasional construction project or furniture move. Today I will load my string trimmer and some yard tools for a location I need to clean up a little bit away.

Then they will say "get a trailer", but I don't want to drag around a trailer, hook and unhook, find a place to park it, worry about the lights working which observing others pulling trailers they never do.