Vegetable meals are good, pinto beans, green beans, lima beans, black-eyed-peas...etc...cooked with hunks of bacon for flavoring!
Thinking of becoming vegetarian ....
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Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It is false to say that vegetarian meals do not taste good. It is simply a matter of developing your tastes. Since I became a vegetarian last October, I have found that animal flesh does not taste good any more. Before October, I could eat the flesh of mammals and birds without issues. Now, the smell makes me nauseous.
And I can understand someone with a carnivore style diet not liking the taste and smell of, say, cooked zucchini. It is a matter of habits and, to some degree, the atrocious cooking methods of vegetables in the mainstream cooking.
I don't like to directly contradict someone, but since you are directly contradicting MY point, I will reassert it. Yes, your tastes can change. I don't particularly like the taste of meat, or the associated fat, anymore. And, to some extent, my ability to eat vegetables has improved, largely through a determined effort to eat more of them. But it is a limited improvement, there are certain things I will never be able to tolerate.
To imply that everyone has the ability to go vegetarian is to outright ignore the differing genetics between people. Are you thinking that different people have different taste receptors for no reason?
It is false to say that vegetarian meals do not taste good. It is simply a matter of developing your tastes. Since I became a vegetarian last October, I have found that animal flesh does not taste good any more. Before October, I could eat the flesh of mammals and birds without issues. Now, the smell makes me nauseous.
And I can understand someone with a carnivore style diet not liking the taste and smell of, say, cooked zucchini. It is a matter of habits and, to some degree, the atrocious cooking methods of vegetables in the mainstream cooking.
I don't like to directly contradict someone, but since you are directly contradicting MY point, I will reassert it. Yes, your tastes can change. I don't particularly like the taste of meat, or the associated fat, anymore. And, to some extent, my ability to eat vegetables has improved, largely through a determined effort to eat more of them. But it is a limited improvement, there are certain things I will never be able to tolerate.
To imply that everyone has the ability to go vegetarian is to outright ignore the differing genetics between people. Are you thinking that different people have different taste receptors for no reason?
Originally Posted By: TooManyWheels
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It is false to say that vegetarian meals do not taste good. It is simply a matter of developing your tastes. Since I became a vegetarian last October, I have found that animal flesh does not taste good any more. Before October, I could eat the flesh of mammals and birds without issues. Now, the smell makes me nauseous.
And I can understand someone with a carnivore style diet not liking the taste and smell of, say, cooked zucchini. It is a matter of habits and, to some degree, the atrocious cooking methods of vegetables in the mainstream cooking.
I don't like to directly contradict someone, but since you are directly contradicting MY point, I will reassert it. Yes, your tastes can change. I don't particularly like the taste of meat, or the associated fat, anymore. And, to some extent, my ability to eat vegetables has improved, largely through a determined effort to eat more of them. But it is a limited improvement, there are certain things I will never be able to tolerate.
To imply that everyone has the ability to go vegetarian is to outright ignore the differing genetics between people. Are you thinking that different people have different taste receptors for no reason?
I was writing in response to the quote that 'life is too short to eat tasteless food'.
My point does seem to contradict your point but I have a feeling that the group that absolutely cannot go vegetarian due to biological differences is a very small minority of the human race.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It is false to say that vegetarian meals do not taste good. It is simply a matter of developing your tastes. Since I became a vegetarian last October, I have found that animal flesh does not taste good any more. Before October, I could eat the flesh of mammals and birds without issues. Now, the smell makes me nauseous.
And I can understand someone with a carnivore style diet not liking the taste and smell of, say, cooked zucchini. It is a matter of habits and, to some degree, the atrocious cooking methods of vegetables in the mainstream cooking.
I don't like to directly contradict someone, but since you are directly contradicting MY point, I will reassert it. Yes, your tastes can change. I don't particularly like the taste of meat, or the associated fat, anymore. And, to some extent, my ability to eat vegetables has improved, largely through a determined effort to eat more of them. But it is a limited improvement, there are certain things I will never be able to tolerate.
To imply that everyone has the ability to go vegetarian is to outright ignore the differing genetics between people. Are you thinking that different people have different taste receptors for no reason?
I was writing in response to the quote that 'life is too short to eat tasteless food'.
My point does seem to contradict your point but I have a feeling that the group that absolutely cannot go vegetarian due to biological differences is a very small minority of the human race.
Offtopic Warning! I was Googling taste receptors and came across this explanation of the difference between taste and smell receptors that was just too good to be left unquoted...
The new work helps explain, on a molecular level, the “logic” behind the taste system and how it differs from the olfactory system. The olfactory system is designed to recognize a wide range of odors and to discriminate one odor from another, an essential ability if one is to avoid such inappropriate responses as mistaking a mate for a snack.
The new work helps explain, on a molecular level, the “logic” behind the taste system and how it differs from the olfactory system. The olfactory system is designed to recognize a wide range of odors and to discriminate one odor from another, an essential ability if one is to avoid such inappropriate responses as mistaking a mate for a snack.
I could never go totally vegan, but I have dramatically increased my intake of fresh vegetables and it does make me feel better. Most mornings I eat a home made soup of veggies (onions, garlic, bell pepper, various root vegetables etc.) flavored with various seasonings. I use to eat 2 eggs and sausage for breakfast everyday.
My trips to the bathroom are vastly improved.
I've also lessened my intake of beef in favor of poultry and fish.
My trips to the bathroom are vastly improved.
I've also lessened my intake of beef in favor of poultry and fish.
thanks a million for all the comments...
After reading a lot of comments and thinking and talking with a friend dietitian, i think i am gonna start with redicuing meat a lot and slowly see how it works out...i am not in a hurry to become 100% vegetarian or not even sure that's exactly what I want either...
i am not someone who will try out crazy supplements etc - stuff like ACV and things like that have absolutely no proven benefit in clinical trials...I don't believe in miracle supplements.
I just want to eat more vegetable-based natural foods and slowly work towards a more healthy diet with less meat-y stuff.
After reading a lot of comments and thinking and talking with a friend dietitian, i think i am gonna start with redicuing meat a lot and slowly see how it works out...i am not in a hurry to become 100% vegetarian or not even sure that's exactly what I want either...
i am not someone who will try out crazy supplements etc - stuff like ACV and things like that have absolutely no proven benefit in clinical trials...I don't believe in miracle supplements.
I just want to eat more vegetable-based natural foods and slowly work towards a more healthy diet with less meat-y stuff.
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Most mornings I eat a home made soup of veggies (onions, garlic, bell pepper, various root vegetables etc.) flavored with various seasonings.
Sounds similar to the type of meals I often eat. I'll be over tomorrow morning to join you!
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
My trips to the bathroom are vastly improved.
WTG!
Most mornings I eat a home made soup of veggies (onions, garlic, bell pepper, various root vegetables etc.) flavored with various seasonings.
Sounds similar to the type of meals I often eat. I'll be over tomorrow morning to join you!
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
My trips to the bathroom are vastly improved.
WTG!
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i am not someone who will try out crazy supplements etc - stuff like ACV and things like that have absolutely no proven benefit in clinical trials...I don't believe in miracle supplements.
ACV is not a "crazy supplement", it's an organic natural food that's widely used by some of the healthiest people I've ever known in my life. We don't take ANY supplements at all.
You'll never read of raw honey, ACV, organic foods, or any other healthy thing in "clinical trials". Curious people like me have tried these things and reversed life threatening conditions with them and saved our lives, whereas waiting for a clinical trail would have about given us time to plan our passing.
Why would they trial anything that might reduce their income and make people healthy? Follow the money trail.
i am not someone who will try out crazy supplements etc - stuff like ACV and things like that have absolutely no proven benefit in clinical trials...I don't believe in miracle supplements.
ACV is not a "crazy supplement", it's an organic natural food that's widely used by some of the healthiest people I've ever known in my life. We don't take ANY supplements at all.
You'll never read of raw honey, ACV, organic foods, or any other healthy thing in "clinical trials". Curious people like me have tried these things and reversed life threatening conditions with them and saved our lives, whereas waiting for a clinical trail would have about given us time to plan our passing.
Why would they trial anything that might reduce their income and make people healthy? Follow the money trail.
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After reading a lot of comments and thinking and talking with a friend dietitian,
Dietitians don't know beans, IMO. They are trained to help the general public. If you're OK with being a statistic like the average American general public, then that's OK. You will not learn anything "outside of the box" from most dietitians. Would you trust your health on the opinion of one person?
After reading a lot of comments and thinking and talking with a friend dietitian,
Dietitians don't know beans, IMO. They are trained to help the general public. If you're OK with being a statistic like the average American general public, then that's OK. You will not learn anything "outside of the box" from most dietitians. Would you trust your health on the opinion of one person?
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I just want to eat more vegetable-based natural foods and slowly work towards a more healthy diet with less meat-y stuff.
That's where I've been lately. I'm not into the labels, or the dietary supplement pills, or the "culture" of vegetable-only dieting (but I'm not against it either). What I _have_ found value in lately, for myself, is considering more where your food comes from, how it's produced, and what's in it. For example, I'd much rather eat an "organic" beef or chicken with no fillers than vegetables grown from who-knows-where. I'm liking more the local farmers markets, the local produce stores, etc. We eat a ton more chicken than we used to, and less beef. I'm trying to get my wife to eat more fish, because I do like it, but she doesn't.
I think all of these different dieting options (vegetarian, vegan, no-dairy, organic, whatever) benefits everyone interested because it raises general awareness of what we consume and where it comes from. As long as we all get to our own dieting goals, everybody's a winner.
I just want to eat more vegetable-based natural foods and slowly work towards a more healthy diet with less meat-y stuff.
That's where I've been lately. I'm not into the labels, or the dietary supplement pills, or the "culture" of vegetable-only dieting (but I'm not against it either). What I _have_ found value in lately, for myself, is considering more where your food comes from, how it's produced, and what's in it. For example, I'd much rather eat an "organic" beef or chicken with no fillers than vegetables grown from who-knows-where. I'm liking more the local farmers markets, the local produce stores, etc. We eat a ton more chicken than we used to, and less beef. I'm trying to get my wife to eat more fish, because I do like it, but she doesn't.
I think all of these different dieting options (vegetarian, vegan, no-dairy, organic, whatever) benefits everyone interested because it raises general awareness of what we consume and where it comes from. As long as we all get to our own dieting goals, everybody's a winner.
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
I was writing in response to the quote that 'life is too short to eat tasteless food'.
Who are you quoting? I can't find that statement.
Here:
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Life is too short to eat things that don't taste good.
Might be out of context but this is usually an accusation against vegetables.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
I was writing in response to the quote that 'life is too short to eat tasteless food'.
Who are you quoting? I can't find that statement.
Here:
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Life is too short to eat things that don't taste good.
Might be out of context but this is usually an accusation against vegetables.
Originally Posted By: Lurch
Would you trust your health on the opinion of one person?
No. her opinion is not the only one i would consider.
my wife and i (as pharmacists) have worked personally with her and she's a bit above the average nutritionist/dietitian and the fact that we have seen her at work a lot and that we know her personally makes it a bit different.
And i have no doubt about how much she knows and her education etc. She has done some great work so far at her practice.
Would you trust your health on the opinion of one person?
No. her opinion is not the only one i would consider.
my wife and i (as pharmacists) have worked personally with her and she's a bit above the average nutritionist/dietitian and the fact that we have seen her at work a lot and that we know her personally makes it a bit different.
And i have no doubt about how much she knows and her education etc. She has done some great work so far at her practice.
97tbird, I thought your post said "Thinking of becoming a Veterinarian"
....never mind, carry on.
....never mind, carry on.
yeah i was THINKING OF...didn't say i "I have decided to".
big difference, IMO. If i was SURE of it, i wouldn't be doing so much "research" i guess...
Right now, what I am wanting is becoming someone who relies on more veggie and less meat, and see how it goes and increasing the veggie % of my meals more and more as time goes on...this MIGHT lead to becoming a full vegetarian, but it will have to be a process.
big difference, IMO. If i was SURE of it, i wouldn't be doing so much "research" i guess...
Right now, what I am wanting is becoming someone who relies on more veggie and less meat, and see how it goes and increasing the veggie % of my meals more and more as time goes on...this MIGHT lead to becoming a full vegetarian, but it will have to be a process.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
I was writing in response to the quote that 'life is too short to eat tasteless food'.
Who are you quoting? I can't find that statement.
Here:
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Life is too short to eat things that don't taste good.
Might be out of context but this is usually an accusation against vegetables.
You misquote me and even have the audacity to put something I didn't write in quotes. Unbelievable!
The meaning of what I said and what you say differs. Even if you hadn't put around the quotes around what claim I said, your wouldn't even be paraphrasing. I never said vegetarian was "tasteless." My statement, "Life is too short to eat things that don't taste good" refers to food in general.
Furthermore, "does not taste good" and "tasteless" do not have the same meaning. Something may well have a lot of taste and taste bad, while something else may me tasteless and taste good. The amount of taste does not denote whether something tastes good or bad.
Are you a native English speaker?
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
I was writing in response to the quote that 'life is too short to eat tasteless food'.
Who are you quoting? I can't find that statement.
Here:
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Life is too short to eat things that don't taste good.
Might be out of context but this is usually an accusation against vegetables.
You misquote me and even have the audacity to put something I didn't write in quotes. Unbelievable!
The meaning of what I said and what you say differs. Even if you hadn't put around the quotes around what claim I said, your wouldn't even be paraphrasing. I never said vegetarian was "tasteless." My statement, "Life is too short to eat things that don't taste good" refers to food in general.
Furthermore, "does not taste good" and "tasteless" do not have the same meaning. Something may well have a lot of taste and taste bad, while something else may me tasteless and taste good. The amount of taste does not denote whether something tastes good or bad.
Are you a native English speaker?
That comment is a repeat. Someone said it word for word.
all those comments about 'not eating meat' ... no one's talking about NOT eating meat here-the topic is about just eating/incorporating more vegetables into the diet and PERHAPS that resulting in me (or other people) becoming vegetarian...
It's not because i believe that god or whatever wants me/us not to eat animals and all that Bee Ess, okay? I don't care about stuff like that.
So let's try to keep it on topic and see if we all can contribute to the real topic. thanks!
all those comments about 'not eating meat' ... no one's talking about NOT eating meat here-the topic is about just eating/incorporating more vegetables into the diet and PERHAPS that resulting in me (or other people) becoming vegetarian...
It's not because i believe that god or whatever wants me/us not to eat animals and all that Bee Ess, okay? I don't care about stuff like that.
So let's try to keep it on topic and see if we all can contribute to the real topic. thanks!
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
That comment is a repeat. Someone said it word for word.
all those comments about 'not eating meat' ... no one's talking about NOT eating meat here-the topic is about just eating/incorporating more vegetables into the diet and PERHAPS that resulting in me (or other people) becoming vegetarian...
It's not because i believe that god or whatever wants me/us not to eat animals and all that Bee Ess, okay? I don't care about stuff like that.
So let's try to keep it on topic and see if we all can contribute to the real topic. thanks!
Jim 5 actually said:"If god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat."
You didn't see the
? Maybe you should change the name of the thread to "Thinking of maybe eating some veggies but its soooo hard, wahhhhhhhhhh"
P.S. Go eat a Double Baconator STAT!!! Heres a link: http://www.wendys.com/food/Product.jsp?family=1&product=4
If you do, maybe you won't be so grouchy and you will be able to make up your mind. It's friggin vegetables for God's sake!
That comment is a repeat. Someone said it word for word.
all those comments about 'not eating meat' ... no one's talking about NOT eating meat here-the topic is about just eating/incorporating more vegetables into the diet and PERHAPS that resulting in me (or other people) becoming vegetarian...
It's not because i believe that god or whatever wants me/us not to eat animals and all that Bee Ess, okay? I don't care about stuff like that.
So let's try to keep it on topic and see if we all can contribute to the real topic. thanks!
Jim 5 actually said:"If god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat."
You didn't see the
? Maybe you should change the name of the thread to "Thinking of maybe eating some veggies but its soooo hard, wahhhhhhhhhh"P.S. Go eat a Double Baconator STAT!!! Heres a link: http://www.wendys.com/food/Product.jsp?family=1&product=4
If you do, maybe you won't be so grouchy and you will be able to make up your mind. It's friggin vegetables for God's sake!
Um, it's you who posted an unrelated comment.
and the few words different from the other post - well that's not really the point, and you know that, too right?
I am not grouchy at all - but you sure sound grouchy.
Why are people who have everything against vegetables and only care about meat posting in a thread which is about vegetables (mainly)? that's what i don't get.
It's just like that thread here someone titled "which oil additives do you use?" and people who were totally against additives started bashing the OP. (some months ago). That would have been even slightly understandable if the thread was "are additives good or bad?".
Your comment was 100% useless in a DISCUSSION. but would have been ok in a thread titled "does god want us to eat meat?"
I can't prevent it, but you really shouldn't comment on this thread if you're that much against vegetables.
and the few words different from the other post - well that's not really the point, and you know that, too right?
I am not grouchy at all - but you sure sound grouchy.
Why are people who have everything against vegetables and only care about meat posting in a thread which is about vegetables (mainly)? that's what i don't get.
It's just like that thread here someone titled "which oil additives do you use?" and people who were totally against additives started bashing the OP. (some months ago). That would have been even slightly understandable if the thread was "are additives good or bad?".
Your comment was 100% useless in a DISCUSSION. but would have been ok in a thread titled "does god want us to eat meat?"
I can't prevent it, but you really shouldn't comment on this thread if you're that much against vegetables.
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