The truth about oil and oil companies

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Originally Posted By: Donald
If one goes with Amsoil I cannot see going with anything but the signature line of lubricants.

Years ago my Dad gave me a Ford Taurus wagon not worth too much to keep in case either of my college daughters messed up their car so bad that they needed another car. So as a test I put Amsoil ASL in it and ran it over 20K using the older Amsoil filter. The car ran fine but the UOA came back pretty bad. I am glad I had not tried it in a vehicle I really cared about.




My point is if you go over 10K or 12K you need to do a UOA and then that costs as much as an oil change.

Amsoil makes great oil, still not sure I would ever go to 25K unless I had the money for UOAs along the way.


Agreed that's why I'm doing them one at 4000
Another at 6000 and if it still comes back good I'll go to 8000
 
Originally Posted By: satinsilver
What's the new guy jabbering about?
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It's a bit hard to read but it seems he has decided to try using fancy oil and filter to save money...some numbers blah blah blah...bought Mobil 1 EP and a Fram Ultra and thinks he can safely use it for more than 3,000 miles.

It's a Subaru so I hope he knows to check the dipstick from time to time while making the switch.
 
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wow, all that and almost no punctuation.

I like your conclusion though, M1 EP seems like a great choice. What weight are you going to use?
 
Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome
Well I'm just kind of going for the filter I feel like I get the most out if and still will go down to 20 micron

I'm not criticizing your filter choice in the least. All I'm saying is that the 3 g number is a little low.

Nonetheless, take a look at some of the pictures in the filter section here. Regardless of how low or high a filter's holding capacity is, we do not see a lot of filters overloaded. If a filter the size of a dixie cup isn't loaded up over an OCI, then the vehicle obviously has no use for a filter the size of a Big Gulp, right? Or, if the Purolator Classic isn't loading up, the D+ or Fram Ultra might be a bit overkill.

Things like the Fram Ultra, the M1, the Amsoil, K&N, Bosch D+, Purolator Synthetic, and Wix XP are all great filters. They're just not giving the average user any benefit for the extra money spent.
 
Remember the oil is far more important than the filter. I use MC filters in my Fords with 10K OCIs with M1 0-20. Both engines are very clean and show no signs of engine wear.
 
Originally Posted By: EdwardC
wow, all that and almost no punctuation.

I like your conclusion though, M1 EP seems like a great choice. What weight are you going to use?


5w-30 my man
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: satinsilver
What's the new guy jabbering about?
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It's a bit hard to read but it seems he has decided to try using fancy oil and filter to save money...some numbers blah blah blah...bought Mobil 1 EP and a Fram Ultra and thinks he can safely use it for more than 3,000 miles.

It's a Subaru so I hope he knows to check the dipstick from time to time while making the switch.


Hey listen to each there own I'm trying something new it could work it might not but I have time I love to have a good hobby

And to say it I check the stick every week and coolant with it and check the tranny fluid each month but I don't loss a lick of that ever
I also change the differential fluid once a year
And have her cleaned in the car wash a couple times a week anything else u want to know

Listen I take good care of my car
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome
Well I'm just kind of going for the filter I feel like I get the most out if and still will go down to 20 micron

I'm not criticizing your filter choice in the least. All I'm saying is that the 3 g number is a little low.

Nonetheless, take a look at some of the pictures in the filter section here. Regardless of how low or high a filter's holding capacity is, we do not see a lot of filters overloaded. If a filter the size of a dixie cup isn't loaded up over an OCI, then the vehicle obviously has no use for a filter the size of a Big Gulp, right? Or, if the Purolator Classic isn't loading up, the D+ or Fram Ultra might be a bit overkill.

Things like the Fram Ultra, the M1, the Amsoil, K&N, Bosch D+, Purolator Synthetic, and Wix XP are all great filters. They're just not giving the average user any benefit for the extra money spent.


Well wrote point
And ur right about that but personally for me I love on a old first back country road so at least 2 miles a day are put on my car going down a very dusty road also the Fram I found is only an inch and a half bigger then the mobil and amsoil so I'm not to worried but see ur point don't over kill it


I'm more like that right now I think because this is my first time ever doing extend oil drains
 
Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome

Hey listen to each there own I'm trying something new it could work it might not but I have time I love to have a good hobby
Forget the "might not" part. It will work.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome

Hey listen to each there own I'm trying something new it could work it might not but I have time I love to have a good hobby
Forget the "might not" part. It will work.


Thank u man
I've decided to use blackstone testing everyone on here seems to say good thing so I'm excited
It's nice when u feel busy doing what u want to do
 
Well the main point of this was to inform others not to fall for marketing talk
Make decisions based on ur preference and the numbers the numbers are reliable try my best to stick to the facts
 
well frankly i wouldnt do extended OCI's on a Subaru EJ engine, but to each his own. Subaru specified 3k changes, and only recently extended it to 5k on their later models. Do some research on the UOA forum for others who have done similar mileage and look at their results. My conclusions (not quite scientific) are that it is not healthy to a Subaru engine, hence justifying Subaru's recommendations.
 
Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome
Well the main point of this was to inform others not to fall for marketing talk
Make decisions based on ur preference and the numbers the numbers are reliable try my best to stick to the facts


Marketing has an effect?

Is this like how low-fat labels induce higher caloric intake by those with unhealthy dietary habits?

I look at the OCI from both factory and blender as a CYA type of deal. Can Mobil 5000 go more than 5000 miles... yes. But 5000 miles and less there is likely a 99%+ chance that even an imperfect batch will not cause issues with that OCI. It could go 6-10K miles depending on the variables... it just is not guaranteed (for the maker minimizing risk). Products are made to different windows of quality. One batch might be "perfect" for 7K while another might be a bit goofy and be good for 5.5K. In addition, vehicles can be different on oil as many turbo folks might know that extended OCI might be a bit more of a risk than a low-powered NA engine. Informed buyers make better consumers...
 
Originally Posted By: Rand
wow thats one hard to read post.

also thats not all even close to correct.

do more research.


I didn't get past the 2nd sentence.
 
Originally Posted By: AHC
Originally Posted By: Rand
wow thats one hard to read post.

also thats not all even close to correct.

do more research.


I didn't get past the 2nd sentence.


Lol I agree but I kept reading, very entertaining.

To original poster, I have a lot of respect for you for doing any research, unlike your average consumer.

As far as money is concerned your obviously not going the cheapest route by boycotting Walmart but, it is your decision

Advance Auto Parts/AutoZone/O'Reilly Auto Parts/Pep Boys all have oil change specials with good deal on a synthetic oil every other month.

If you are going to use Fram Ultra, you could EASILY use it for two oil change intervals (unless you have engine issues) to justify cost. Use Advance Auto Part Online coupon codes to get Fram Ultras for ~6.50 each
 
Originally Posted By: AHC
Originally Posted By: Rand
wow thats one hard to read post.

also thats not all even close to correct.

do more research.


I didn't get past the 2nd sentence.


what do you mean to say that as far as no punctuation makes it hard to read the entire sentence or you mean the whole paragraph is hard to read the total absence of periods or commas or capital letters is the difficult thing for me is too hard to know when one thought starts and the other stops figuring out how people manage to get jobs and use the internet is puzzling to me they cant even use simple punctuation I stopped reading after about fifty words my eyes hurt reading this kind of stuff wears me out personally I use mobil 1 and pennzoil what was the question again I'm not sure what the question even is
 
Originally Posted By: satinsilver
What's the new guy jabbering about?
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Something about spending hours using the restroom when he should be actually working. I think we know why, by his own admission, he doesn't make a lot of money.
 
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
well frankly i wouldnt do extended OCI's on a Subaru EJ engine, but to each his own. Subaru specified 3k changes, and only recently extended it to 5k on their later models. Do some research on the UOA forum for others who have done similar mileage and look at their results. My conclusions (not quite scientific) are that it is not healthy to a Subaru engine, hence justifying Subaru's recommendations.

Well I'll look it's difficult finding info on ur specific car from other I might have better luck at forester.org
 
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