The truth about oil and oil companies

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Hello everyone I'm new too this forum stuff but starting to get a hang just thought is share my experience with y'all and see what the group thinks So I have a 2001 Subaru Forster 209,000 miles one her and she runs great My father a mechanic for 30 years and a master mechanic has taught me a lot but I'm realizing things have changed I make ok money but not the best so I'm always looking to save here and there So I did some research and got the idea to begin extended oil changes (and no I don't abbreviate and thing and don't shop at Walmart) sry two pet peeves of mind over found of some of the members In the process found amsoil Now I've always been a conspiracy kind of guy and never trust what's put infront of me Since I've been currently using mobil 1 and liking it I thought just like any other big company they must have been fooling me once I found out about amsoil Now to those who are willing to do 25k oil changes with amsoil that's ur business but for me I feel much safer using the xl line which does 10k So since I've been the person to always change my oil at 3k miles which ment for me about 8-10 oil changes a years especially at 35 a pop from auto zone maybe this extended oil drain stuff makes some money sense So after calling amsoil and get the entire speech plus spending hours on the site reading and also researching independently other forums to see what people thought I was sold ( yes all that time I spent on the john at work I was really doing research who knew a stall would see such production) but never being the satisfied person I am I call amsoil to specifically ask about the filter for my car since there claim was 300 % more holding capacity then a"comparable " brand But when I asked about how much oil containment the dam thing can hold no body could answer it No body knew over there even in tech support So after a couple of radials to try to find someone who knew I was suggested the home office number So finally I get to speak to an engineer Whooo the source I've been searching for So that great amsoil filter that they sell for 16 $ With the all synthetic media and 20 micron filter ability Could only hold 3 grams of oil contaminate which means at that point the filter is full the bypass valve opens and the oil recirculates like it usually does through the engine but with out ever being filtered Now compare that to Fram ultra which is 10 bucks and hold 8.9 grams of oil containment and yes is a full authentic media filter and goes down to 20 microns of filtration as well So I'm left guessing [censored] u can't curse here so I'm left to abbreviate Dam....... Now through this entire toilet sit down oil search bonanza I've found mobile makes extended changed oil and filters The extended performance mobil 1 and has a filter that goes with it But the filter was just about as big if not exactly the same size as the amsoil so of being a reasonable man I figure they may not hold exactly the same about of oil containment but it has to be not to far apart Can't fit 10 pounds in a 5 pound bag and u know what I love my common sense and I think the world is missing a lot of it But not here to talk about that By the way I actually called champion labs which makes mobil filters and frams and subarus and lots others They said they don't know how much oil containment it would hold and gain a couple of calls over a couple of days spoke with multiple people and know body knew Again more time on the clock but sitting on the john They finally directed me to mobile which I got a number off then for somebody they said should know And guess what that person had no clue either or his manager or the guy above him after waiting there days with no call back (I don't hold it against them it's a big company) I decided that road was not going far But what bothers me about amsoil and mobile is that if the product is so great and is sold at a premium rate why can't u let the specs speak for them selves which in the long run I've chosen mobile 1 extended performance 5w 30 With a Fram ultra filter That's why I choice Fram I called multiple times and each time the manufacture technical representative I talked too had all the data to answer ever question and u know what I kind of dislike how I discovered amsoil is just marketing here I thought I found a company that was willing to rise above the competition not sellout for big stores and use independent sales people and let the people sell the oil But it's just fairy dust there product maybe good but if it is so good why did I have to jump through hoops to find what I need which reminded me so much of mobile and how they seemed clueless Not as badly as amsoil I'm not saying the product amsoil is bad I've never used it But after what I learned of the inter workings of the company I have distrust especially after it's hotter that mobile 1 uses group 3 base oils for the product Bit after actually talking to a engineer at mobile and asking what base oil do u use for ur mobile 1 extended performance? The man answered group 4 and I never said anything about which group so that made me feel all gushy So I thought I'd share this experience to all and hope some people have a reply Whether u agree or not I want to hear Last thing I went with mobil extended performance because I've used mobil products and the mobil1 currently and I like them and since seeing the heads on my mother 15 year old Mercedes with nearly 300000 miles on it I'm convinced they look like nice new metal hey but that's a Mercedes too not a Subaru but seeing a oil inaction used from day one of a car is comforting Thank u and good night I'm here till Thursday
 
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wow thats one hard to read post. also thats not all even close to correct. do more research.
 
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I think your Mobil contaminant holding capacity is incorrect Both Mobil and FRAM say their filters (Ultra in the case of FRAM) hold twice the dirt of ordinary filters. Purolator say P1 holds 13grams and their Synthetic holds 27g.
 
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That was quite the post...If you are looking to do 10K mile OCI and feel safe while doing it, I would go with M1 EP and a Fram Ultra. That should give you some margins.
 
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Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome
The man answered group 4 and I never said anything about which group so that made me feel all gushy
Getting all choked up over motor oil? laugh You'll fit in great here.
 

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well i never said i knew what it held im just saying its only 3 inchs wide and 2.25 high for my fikter m1108 its not that big but yes im still guessing and i dont give much wait weight to holds twice as much dirt as an ordinary filter i just want what it holds if i told u i was giving u a lot of money couldnt i still just give u 10 $ and claim well its a matter of perspective
 

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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome
The man answered group 4 and I never said anything about which group so that made me feel all gushy
Getting all choked up over motor oil? laugh You'll fit in great here.
thank u my man it good to know im with family
 

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Originally Posted By: TrevorS
I think your Mobil contaminant holding capacity is incorrect Both Mobil and FRAM say their filters (Ultra in the case of FRAM) hold twice the dirt of ordinary filters. Purolator say P1 holds 13grams and their Synthetic holds 27g.
and which specific filter is that my man i waNT THE MODEL NUMBER because u could use advertising to say up to... i dont think everyone of there filters holds 27 grams dont fall prey to marketing
 

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Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome
The man answered group 4 and I never said anything about which group so that made me feel all gushy
Getting all choked up over motor oil? laugh You'll fit in great here.
thank u my man it good to know im with family
So you and Turtlevette are family? ???
 
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I am sure a random person from Mobil told you trade secret and divulged that they use Group 4 base oils in their formulation. I don't think they use Group 4 any more but used to. Try getting over your in-ability to shop at walmart and just go pick up the M1 EP + Fram Ultra for about $35 and be on your way to 15K intervals.
 
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Originally Posted By: 1roamingnome
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
I think your Mobil contaminant holding capacity is incorrect Both Mobil and FRAM say their filters (Ultra in the case of FRAM) hold twice the dirt of ordinary filters. Purolator say P1 holds 13grams and their Synthetic holds 27g.
and which specific filter is that my man i waNT THE MODEL NUMBER because u could use advertising to say up to... i dont think everyone of there filters holds 27 grams dont fall prey to marketing
The general consensus is that you can trust the oil filter manufacturers claims in terms of mileage they handle. There is a lot of reserve in them. Since you did 3k mile intervals at AutoZone, your engine should be spotless and you should be able to trust the mileage claims of both the oil and the filters. Go to 10k miles, send off for a UOA and cut open your filter (after use).
 
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Originally Posted By: TrevorS
I think your Mobil contaminant holding capacity is incorrect
Agreed. I can't think of any filter bigger than a thimble that would go be so loaded it would go into bypass with only 3 g of insolubles. Obviously, a bigger filter holds more, all else being equal, but let's be reasonable here.
 

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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
I think your Mobil contaminant holding capacity is incorrect
Agreed. I can't think of any filter bigger than a thimble that would go be so loaded it would go into bypass with only 3 g of insolubles. Obviously, a bigger filter holds more, all else being equal, but let's be reasonable here.
Well I'm just kind of going for the filter I feel like I get the most out if and still will go down to 20 micron
 
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
So you and Turtlevette are family? ???
Aren't we all? We all live in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine. I'll be here all week. badda boom.
 
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If one goes with Amsoil I cannot see going with anything but the signature line of lubricants. Years ago my Dad gave me a Ford Taurus wagon not worth too much to keep in case either of my college daughters messed up their car so bad that they needed another car. So as a test I put Amsoil ASL in it and ran it over 20K using the older Amsoil filter. The car ran fine but the UOA came back pretty bad. I am glad I had not tried it in a vehicle I really cared about. My point is if you go over 10K or 12K you need to do a UOA and then that costs as much as an oil change. Amsoil makes great oil, still not sure I would ever go to 25K unless I had the money for UOAs along the way.
 
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