The Silverado just took one for me, I walked away.

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Originally Posted By: rudolphna


Did you not see the crash test video in which I think they crashed a 2010 Malibu with like a 70s malibu and the old one was decimated?


Actually, it was a 1959 Bel Air versus a 2009 Malibu.

But you got the end result correct.
 
Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
What you have to realize is that if your spine was damaged by this accident the damage might not cause the maximum pain or maximum affect on you ability to do your normal work for many days, and sometimes for many months. You have to CYA now and start a paper trail NOW, with real MD's. The damage to your vehicle is a drop in the bucket compared to loss of income if this accident caused hidden damage that in the future prevents you from working.


OK Jim. You've got my attention. I go and see an MD. I tell him what happened. When he asks me what my symptoms are, what do I tell him?

I don't have a fever, or a cough. I'm not peeing blood, nor do I have any broken bones. I don't have any internal injuries.

I have whiplash, that was properly diagnosed through x-rays, and I'm being treated by the area's top Chiropractor, who my insurance company will allow me to see and will pay the charges for.

What exactly is an MD going to do for me, when I don't even know why I'm going to see him?

When I was on an HMO, I had to see an MD for what was a Chiropractic issue, he told me to take Advil. Then he referred me to a Chiropractor.
 
First of all, I am not an attorney so everything that follows is to the best of my knowledge, but you should check with someone knowledgeable about the law IN YOU STATE.

The MD will put your visit in your file. Hopefully that will never be of any use to you. The MD could write a prescription for you to see a Physiatrist.

The Physiatrist will have you go to physical therapy where specialist like the people used by professional football players will probably use one or more types of treatment Heat, Cold, or Electrical Stimulation of Mussels. Then they will show you how to do special exercises and if those exercises require certain elastic cords or access to special exercise machines they will provide them and see that you use them properly. Do not under estimate the ability of these specialist, they really know what they are doing and help many people. The Physiatrist will provide you with the proper pain pill(s) that not only neutralize pain but also reduce swelling and thus reduce the actual physical cause of pain. The Physiatrist will explain to you how often you can take those pain pills so you do not damage you liver. They will monitor you blood work to insure you liver is not damaged. The Physiatrist will have you back for follow up appointments. If you do not get well they will give you the option of getting the correct medical imaging of what is going on. With that information they will let you know all of you medical options. Sometimes Physiatrist will send a patient to a Chiropractor, but not very often. They might also write you a prescription to a health club to swim and use exercise machines similar to the ones used in physical therapy rehab. They might also write a prescription for a TENs unit. It is a electric stimulator that many people find helpful in removing pain. There are other prescriptions that help with pain such as muscle relaxers, and Lidoderm patches that you put over the area where the pain is.

When you go the MD rout the insurance of the person responsible pays for it all if a prescription is written for it, IF YOU HAD FULL TORT ON YOUR VEHICLE INSURANCE POLICY AT THE TIME OF THE ACCIDENT. Also never reduce your tort to less than full anytime in the future, if you do you could lose you rights.

If now or in the future you end up unable to work the MD paperwork will be a God sent to help the attorney you will have to hire to represent you (usually for 5 years the attorney will take a percent of the amount you receive monthly such as 20 percent, then after that you get 100 percent of the monthly award) , or if your insurance company gets behind you and provide the required representation you might not have to pay anything for the representation.

If in the future you are unable to work and you do not NOW have MD visits documenting the injury it would be a hard case to win.

In any event you should not have to pay to see a MD. The insurance of the person who hit you should be paying for it. Ask you insurance company about it if there is any problem.



So to answer you question of what you should ask of the MD. Ask for some pain pills if you are having pain, and ask for a prescription to see a Physiatrist.

Good Luck.
 
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You might ask your insurer to document all the time you spend seeing anyone and point out that that time is time you were not able to be earning a living, and should be compensated for.
 
I am not a MD, or a lawyer. This information is from knowledge gained because people I know have had back problems. You should check with a MD or a lawyer to verify any specific information you think applies to you.

Were you on the job when you were injured, and were you working for someone, or self employed? You might be covered by some type of workers comp in some cases. This would be an additional source of monetary help for you if it applies to you.

You might only have tissue damage, in which case physical therapy will be very helpful.

If a disk in you spine was damaged the question would be what type of damage and how severely.

There are several ways a spine can be damaged. A disk can end up with a bulge. This is usually correctable with a simple surgery using scopes and the incisions are only large enough to require a few band-aids. The relief of pain is about 80 percent within hours of the surgery, usually as soon as the surgery is done, and the other 20 percent can usually be achieved with special physical therapy, exercises, keeping ones weight down, and proper diet. Until all of that overcomes any remaining pain you could use pills.

If you have cracks in a disk, your body will grow small blood vessels into the cracks in an attempt to aid circulation and provide healing. Unfortunately along with these new blood vessels your body also grows new nerves. Nerves do not belong in the high stress environment in cracks in disks. This will cause pain, in some cases severe pain. You could even black out. Because your body grows these new nerves into the cracks there is a time delay between the initial injury and when the pain reaches its maximum. This delay can be quite long. This kind of damage can sometimes be surgically corrected with the IDET procedure, or fusion depending on the extent of the damage. The recovery time and percent of relief of pain varies per case.

Regarding pain pills, there are two classes of pain pills. Your liver, assuming it is healthy, can handle a limited amount of pain pills in both of these classes at the same time. If you are maxed out in the amount of medication in one class and are still in pain your doctor can prescribe medications in the other class to help relieve the pain. The key is to never take more than the allowed amount of medication in any one class of pills so you do not damage your liver. If the pills you doctor prescribes do not handle the pain, get the doctor to prescribe a different med. Do not take more than allowed for a given amount of time.

You Physiatrist will have you sign a agreement that they are the ONLY doctor who will prescribe pain pills for you. If you ever have anything medical happen to you, you will have to call there office and get there permission before you get any other pain med prescription(s) filled. Your Physiatrist will also do random drug test on you without prior warning, usually when you visit them . If you use any illegal drug they will probably no longer prescribe for you. You should also not be abusing alcohol as this may damage you liver when combined with pain pills. Your Physiatrist may include test for alcohol use when they random test you. On initial visit if you normally drink any alcohol, even only one beer, ask you Physiatrist if you are allowed to consume alcohol, and if so how much while you are on any pain meds. In general you will not be using any alcohol to relieve pain. You will be relying on pain meds. The up side to this is your liver will be better of for it. The down side to it is pain pills also slow down your digestive system, and upset you stomach and gut. So drink plenty of water. If you are going to take two of any pain pill space them apart at least 1/2 hour or better yet one hour or more. Your stomach and gut will bother you a lot less if you space the pills. You will require adding SenicotS and probably 1/2 or 1 Milk-of-magnesia pill once a day, to keep you from having problems.

An injured back is not like a broken arm. It will not get better on its own. It is kind of like going to the doctor with a broken arm and the doctor says here are some pain pills. You say ok but how about fixing the arm. The doctor says come back in a few months and you will get a new prescription for more pain pills.

Nowadays there exist a way to combine the X-ray, cat-scan and MRI images to produce a final image that clearly shows what is going in with someone's spine. Few doctors know of or use this method. Dr.Jeffrey Saal and Dr.Joel Saal who invented the IDET procedure and perform them in California have a technician who can combine those images to produce the better image.

Back surgery, if it is required must be carefully researched to insure that the surgery is appropriate for the injury, and that the doctor is capable.

Good Luck.
 
After nearly a month in the body shop, I got my Silverado back tonight.

I will say, that the body shop did a splendid job... to the tune of about $8,000. I'm particular about my truck, and I can hardly tell that it has been in and out of a body shop. I'm only seeing a few very small tell tale signs of body work, and that is only because I know exactly where to look, and what to look for.

They used all new GM parts on it. They bought a new GM tail light for the left hand side, and it fit horribly. They then compared it to the broken original, and noticed that the new one was stamped "Made in Taiwan". Nice.

The body shop then called LKQ (a major used parts retailer) and ordered a left tail light out of a wrecked 2004 Silverado. They verified by the stampings that it was a factory installed tail light, made by Guide in the US. When the used one showed up, they shined it up, installed it, and it fit perfectly. So, I didn't mind getting one used part.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to get the smell of a body shop OUT of the cab? I'm going to leave the windows down when it is sitting in the garage, and I'm going to try to keep them open an inch or two when driving as the temperature permits (we have this unfortunate occurrence called "winter" right now).

I suppose over time, the smell will fade away... but it is really strong right now. I got nauseated driving it home and had to roll the windows down for the last mile or so.

Another little downside was that when they reinstalled my fiberglass bed lid, they noticed "spider web" cracks in the paint and clear coat. No one had noticed that before. The body shop already broke the bad news to the insurance company.

Soooo.... I have to order a new bed lid tomorrow. But that's a minor detail. Once the new lid comes in, they can remove the old one and install the new one while I wait.
 
Last time I checked getting hit by a car going 35mph is like stepping out of a window...from the 6th story of a building.

It's a good thing that you weren't sitting still.

Hope everything works itself out and you are ok in the long run.
 
To get rid of the smell, try some Febreze, then maybe if that doesn't work, Tuff Stuff brand upholstery cleaner. I've used both with good results. Leave your windows down as long as you can, if possible. And don't forget a little green tree air freshener!
 
Ozium works well for that kind of thing. I used to use this stuff called Blunt Block (a tangerine flavored oil) and you could have a pile of dead bodies in the back seat and never smell them. It was like pure essential tangerine oil. Didn't smell artificial at all.

But, yeah, Ozium in the blue spray can. I don't think you can get blunt block any more.

You might also try a pie pan with baking soda on the floorboards or try filling one with vinegar and leaving it in there. I don't know why, but I hear vinegar works well.

EDIT: I stand corrected. I present to you, blunt block: http://bluntblock.com/index.php?option=c...=1&Itemid=1
 
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Actually, it was a 1959 Bel Air versus a 2009 Malibu.

Here it is, for ref.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g

I did not expect the '59 Belair to crush the passenger compartment so badly! So much for the older stiffer cars.
 
It's a good thing to hear that you made out of this ok. Could have been much worse and thankfully it wasn't.

What are the plans for this truck now? Keeping it, thinking of selling it?
 
What your smelling is the organics coming off from the paint. Either cover it up, as mentioned above, or absorb it. That would typically take either activated charcoal, or baking soda. All in all, your going to have to let it off gas, and with the temperatures being low, it may take some time.
 
Originally Posted By: NJC
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Actually, it was a 1959 Bel Air versus a 2009 Malibu.

Here it is, for ref.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g

I did not expect the '59 Belair to crush the passenger compartment so badly! So much for the older stiffer cars.


That test was a little "rigged" as that particular Bel-Air was an X-frame and is known to be very weak, especially in that kind of accident. Would have been more "fair" to compare it to a regular ladder-frame car.
 
Good to hear that you are doing well and the truck came out good. My truck spend a week in the body shop last year late in Nov so it took a while to air out. It took probably a week to get the worst of the smell out, but the odor lingered for a good month or so.
 
Originally Posted By: benjamming
Could they repaint the bed lid?

How did you get them to use & pay for OEM parts or did you pay the difference?


Don't know about the bed lid yet, waiting on the insurance adjuster to look at it. From what I understand, if the paint is cracked, then the fiberglass is cracked as well.

The body shop is able to get OEM parts from a Chevy dealer in the next city over (who does a HUGE volume in parts) for the price of aftermarket.

Everything had the GM sticker on it, the tailgate, the bumper, the bumper support... except the used tail light.
 
Originally Posted By: bigmike
It's a good thing to hear that you made out of this ok. Could have been much worse and thankfully it wasn't.

What are the plans for this truck now? Keeping it, thinking of selling it?



Well, I have to get everything fixed on it first. We may be looking at a new fiberglass lid for the bed now, and that will take 2-3 weeks to get it ordered, in, and installed.

I've got a couple more payments left to make on it. so I probably won't do anything until I get the title in hand. I don't like trading vehicles when they still have a balance on the loan. It just tends to make the process of buying a vehicle that much messier.

At this point, I'll probably keep it, time will tell. A lot of it will depend on if it develops rattles in the cab, and little things like that. I still haven't seen how well the paint matches in the sun, but so far, it is spot on.

It only has 57,000 miles on it, so it still has plenty of life left in it.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Are you going to post any before and after pictures?


Sure, I probably will, once I get some good "after" pictures.

The problem is, the "before" pictures just aren't as dramatic as you'd think. The truck simply did not appear to have nearly $8,000 in damage to it, even to me. A lot of that was in labor to straighten the bed, which took the worst of it.

If the bed hadn't shifted forward from the impact and dented up the cab, then the repair bill would have been a lot less.

The tailgate was simply destroyed, there wasn't a single piece on it that was worth re-using.
 
I'm glad to hear that things seemed to have worked out well for you. That is rare & not supposed to happen in the automotive insurance world.
 
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