The opioid epidemic - hoppers/thieves

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Things people shouldn't do: DON'T buy stolen crap. DON'T hand money to people pan handling/begging. DON'T pay for sex. Those three things provide income for many drug addicts.

My younger was a heroin addict. She got a full basketball scholarship being 6'2" and was injured playing. Put on pain pills and got addicted to them, yanked off pills and eventually switched to heroin. Went through a crime spree and eventually started going to a methadone clinic, was on suboxone for awhile but now gets a Vivitrol shot every 4 weeks.

I know most everything concerning this topic. I might go into things I've never wrote on here tomorrow.
 
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Things people shouldn't do: DON'T buy stolen crap. DON'T hand money to people pan handling/begging. DON'T pay for sex. Those three things provide income for many drug addicts.

My younger was a heroin addict. She got a full basketball scholarship being 6'2" and was injured playing. Put on pain pills and got addicted to them, yanked off pills and eventually switched to heroin. Went through a crime spree and eventually started going to a methadone clinic, was on suboxone for awhile but now gets a Vivitrol shot every 4 weeks.

I know most everything concerning this topic. I might go into things I've never wrote on here tomorrow.
You are fighting human nature. No government in the history of humanity have successfully fought off thieves, begging, sex trade, substance abuse, and gambling completely long term. It is easier to live away from them, and it is very difficult to fight off these human nature.

I was prescribed codine for some minor hairline fracture at my ribs and I had to insist to my doctors that I'd take Advil instead. He looked at me like I'm an alien.
 
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Things people shouldn't do: DON'T buy stolen crap. DON'T hand money to people pan handling/begging. DON'T pay for sex. Those three things provide income for many drug addicts.

My younger was a heroin addict. She got a full basketball scholarship being 6'2" and was injured playing. Put on pain pills and got addicted to them, yanked off pills and eventually switched to heroin. Went through a crime spree and eventually started going to a methadone clinic, was on suboxone for awhile but now gets a Vivitrol shot every 4 weeks.

I know most everything concerning this topic. I might go into things I've never wrote on here tomorrow.
Really glad your sister is clean, though I don't think I would ever talk about a heroin addiction in the past tense. Once a heroin addict, always an addict, regardless of how long since the last fix. I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, though.
 
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Not opioid-related, but drug-related and probably one of the most depressing things I've heard in a long time from a drug user.

Very early 30's female, 7 months pregnant, doesn't look to be more than 4 months. Arrested on possession charges (Methamphetamine). Stone sober at the time of the comment.

'It won't hurt the baby that I'm doing meth, I take pre-natal vitamins'

I just walked away and let my staff handle the rest of the process.
 
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Not opioid-related, but drug-related and probably one of the most depressing things I've heard in a long time from a drug user.

Very early 30's female, 7 months pregnant, doesn't look to be more than 4 months. Arrested on possession charges (Methamphetamine). Stone sober at the time of the comment.

'It won't hurt the baby that I'm doing meth, I take pre-natal vitamins'

I just walked away and let my staff handle the rest of the process.
Yep, can’t help the retarded ones that think they are invincible. Sad indeed
 
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I don't mind the clean needle dispensary philosophy, the issue appears to be the naivety of how the return portion of it was supposed to function. 2/3 of the needles given out didn't make their way back to the return bins, that's not a very good record and it appears that most of them end up in the parks and entranceways around town. In trying to solve one problem, they've created another.
The clean needles shouldn’t be given for free. Better way is to exchange dirty needles to clean ones for free, 1-to-1.
 
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The clean needles shouldn’t be given for free. Better way is to exchange dirty needles to clean ones for free, 1-to-1.
I still think it's better to keep clean needles in the hands of more people so they don't share needles, no point in giving a clean needle if several people are just going to share it, maybe start serializing the needles and keep track of who they're giving them out to and then charge them for dumping biological waste if they get found discarded in an improper manner.
 
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Ive been surprised that twice within the year I’ve seen white needles with orange caps on the ground. Never used to see this garbage.

Really terrible.

Near your home or neighborhood / park ?

Some parents no longer take their kids to the park for fear of getting stuck with a needle.
 
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I checked the needle policy we have here. You can change the dirty needles you return to clean ones for free. On top of that you can get 20 new free needles per visit/day if you want to + a free container for the used ones. The return rate of dirty needles has been about 75%.

We have free health care for all, paid with high taxes. Care for C-hepatit is 10keur per infection, care for HIV is 15keur/year. Cost of a needle is few cents. So, it’s cost-effective to exchange the needles to clean ones for free. And I think the return rate of 75% is quite reasonable, couldn’t demand more from a junkie.
 

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I checked the needle policy we have here. You can change the dirty needles you return to clean ones for free. On top of that you can get 20 new free needles per visit/day if you want to + a free container for the used ones. The return rate of dirty needles has been about 75%.

We have free health care for all, paid with high taxes. Care for C-hepatit is 10keur per infection, care for HIV is 15keur/year. Cost of a needle is few cents. So, it’s cost-effective to exchange the needles to clean ones for free. And I think the return rate of 75% is quite reasonable, couldn’t demand more from a junkie.
Our return rate is lower than that (policy is similar). As was noted in the OP, PARN handed out 750,000 needles and only 250,000 made their way back (33%).

Even at 75%, if they gave out 700,000 needles, that's still 175,000 needles that are now "in the wild".

As I also noted in the OP, one of my friend's jobs is sweeping up needles.

Will be interesting to see what winter brings.
 
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*ABSOLUTELY NO POLITICAL COMMENTS PLEASE*

I do not want this thread locked.

Locally, over the past several years, there has been a massive insurgence of homeless as well as a huge spike in the number of addicts/addicted who roam the streets. These groups may have some members in common, but I believe many of the latter crash at trap houses and the like.

I've had 9 bicycles stolen, which has been frustrating, but every time, my kids have forgotten to lock the bikes up. Until last night.

Things got weird a little while ago where a guy was up on my deck, had gone through my backyard, and then when caught by one of my kids, pretended like he wanted a drink.

When I was a kid our downtown was amazing. Lots of little shops, sidewalks were clean, absolutely no risk of running into a nutter.

Now, there's somebody living in many of the former shop entrances, their sprawl strewn into the walk. There are people shooting-up in broad daylight and passing out. We had a couple get totally zonked and KO'd on the island just across from our place back in the spring. I saw a guy totally collapsed, looked like he was dead, on the church steps. A friend of mine works downtown, one of his duties is sweeping up the needles so customers don't step on them. Things have totally gone to hell.

They all ride bicycles (which are stolen). They all carry backpacks. They feed their habits via theft and their actions have become more and more brazen.

My parents live in a nice area, near the old teachers college. Most houses are worth well north of $1M at this point, theirs probably around 1.5. Literally 6 houses away an elderly woman comes into her kitchen and there's an addict going through her purse. Terrified and in a panic, she flees to the neighbour's house, calls the police, there's a chase, they lose the crackhead, who managed to scuttle off through backyards like a spider monkey. It's terrifying for a mostly older population in that area who are extremely accustomed to feeling safe where they live and are defenseless.

One of their main sources of revenue has been people's unlocked cars. They go through, steal change and whatever else they can find, but things are now escalating.

There's a local group that I'm a member of that's sort of like a city-wide neighbourhood watch that's trying to aide in tracking these individuals and helping people get their stuff back. For quite a stint you'd have the odd person call out "lock your doors" in response to somebody losing their stuff. Clearly, not helpful. That crowd has become quite quiet recently as locked vehicles are being broken into. These hoppers are now carrying slim-jims and other manner of break-in tools. They are going into people's houses. Last night, I had two crappy bikes stolen off my deck, the guy was smart enough to stay out of frame of the camera (this is a first) but you could clearly see him weilding bolt cutters from the other side of my deck rail. With no consequences and a system of catch-and-release, there is literally no deterrent for these people to just continuously up the level of how bold they can be.

I see media attention given to groups promoting safe injection sites, more free needles (a local group gave out 750,000 needles in 2019, only 235,000 made their way into the return bins...) and a "compassionate approach". Clearly, this isn't working and in fact appears to be making the situation dramatically worse. These people need treatment within the confines of a treatment facility, not a fresh needle and a place to shoot-up. Enablement isn't compassion, it's lazy, these people need a hand-up not a hand-out. When you are having to train downtown shop staff how to revive folks with Narcan perhaps it would be wise to revisit the effectiveness of what you've deemed a "solution".
How can this thread Not be political?
Saw a billboard when entering WV encouraging regular people to carry Narcan to save lives. So now we are supposed to spend our own money so we can save them. Numerous small towns in WV are broke from the cost of Narcan.
 
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@OVERKILL I can tell you what worked for me. After my 3rd DUI over a 20 year drinking career, I was done. I mean down and out, even though I was working in the engineering department of a Silicon Valley high tech company and a straight A student in Computer Science at a local JC.
The fear of long incareration and knowing I had one person to blame left me spiratually dead. Lost. Hopeless.
By far the worst was knowing I had driven thousands of miles dead drunk and easily coud have run over... I was utterly defeated. Dead inside.
Putting large amounts of depressants into your body for years tends to make you depressed...
The judge sentenced me to 3 AA meetings along with the other stuff. I have been sober since.

Not drinking (using) is the 1st step. Then and only then can you work on yourself. That's my experience.
Just so you know, I did not do many of the things you listed. Those were "yets". It was only a matter of time.
Most of my friends are dead. I am one of the lucky ones.
Glad you got straightened out.
 
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For vehicles parked outside around my area, the recommendation is to have garage door openers, identifying registration/insurance info and valuables pulled out. Also, the vehicle left unlocked as the repair of forced access can be high.
Years ago I was in a Miata club in the DC area and there was a woman member who lived in DC. I asked her how she didn't get her top slashed and she said she leaves the car open with nothing in it, maybe a little change. The homeless would go thru it but not destroy anything. That was in the late 90's early 2000's. I would say the drug problem is a lot worse now.
 
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The one comment I would add is that you are correct about the use of drugs to treat mental health as outpatient. We used to compassionately keep patients in-house however the medical community convinced lawmakers and others that new types and classes of treatments and drugs were just as effective as expensive in-patient care. The assumption was that the ill would want to get better and outpatient would be more than satisfactory.

That turned out to be very untrue and that contributes to our current problems. Those with mental illness make poor choices and that just goes along with homelessness and drug use.

Vicious cycle.
They won't continue taking the meds that help them. Especially young men. Me Dr once told me the biggest problem he had was getting young men to continue taking their meds when they were helping. My own daughter has MS and went to a specialist at Georgetown U. He put her on one of the new drugs. She tolerated it well. On her last visit, he begged her to "stay with me" and take the medication. After a few months she just stopped taking it and didn't go back to see him because it was a big hassle to go down there. I asked her why, she said she started worrying about potential side affects. Plus the fact that she had no MS symptoms. She's 40, there's nothing I can do or say. While she's not an addict, this drug could prolong her life. Frustrating as a parent.
 
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I remember when Fentanyl was new on the scene and all the Docs said it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, go figure, the medical community on the wrong side of an issue.
To my knowledge, the only products sold with fentanyl were pain patches. They were put on after surgery and taken off 3 days later. They worked great in humans and animals when used as directed. I did read that addicts would get the patches and chew on them. Oxycontin was a designed slow release pain pill for severe pain. Pain is easier to prevent and takes less drug. But they figured out to chop it up and snort it or cook it and inject it, become addicted to it, so it got a bad name. There are a lot of people out there that are in legitimate severe pain and that's what Oxycontin was designed for. So they crack down on it and who gets hurt....the people that use it legitimately and legally.
 
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You are able to use appropriate force to deal with a threat, so definitely not like Texas. And you will absolutely be charged if you do use the appropriate amount of force, but those charges will be dropped later.

We've had several cases of that. A man in Apsley had an armed intruder break into his house and he shot him dead. Guy was charged, but the charges were eventually dropped. There was a more recent case of this as well.

So, if I had a guy break-in and he's unarmed, it would be extremely difficult to justify discharging my 12-gauge. However, they are typically armed, usually with knives or box cutters. The ones with firearms are usually higher up the chain and not doing B&E's and those guns are of course not of legal origin. However, a perp armed with a knife, if you feel the lives of yourself and your family are in danger, is an appropriate threat to meet with a firearm, that's considered reasonable.

One thing I had a LEO tell me was that if you do use lethal force, make sure the perp is dead, as things go a lot smoother when your side of the story is the only one to tell.
Sounds like you still have to get a lawyer to defend yourself which costs money and time. While I may be older than many of you, to me quality of life is the most important thing over money, crummy jobs etc.
 
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Many people who have taken oxy's get hooked very easy. Some people are sensitive to opiates...makes wiring changes in the brain...my son the chemist studies this stuff as he has had his own issues with opiates. Its not cause they (people) are defective in some way. I am one of the lucky ones as opiates don't agree with me at all...dosent help pain but makes me feel sick.
 

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Many people who have taken oxy's get hooked very easy. Some people are sensitive to opiates...makes wiring changes in the brain...my son the chemist studies this stuff as he has had his own issues with opiates. Its not cause they (people) are defective in some way. I am one of the lucky ones as opiates don't agree with me at all...dosent help pain but makes me feel sick.
I believe the ones that abuse it get hooked. And/or sell it on the streets!
Why is it that I can bring X amount of my prescribed pain pills back to my pain management Dr. each month to dispose of? Is that the indication of one that abuses his pain meds? NO! The amount varies every month. I am in so much pain sometimes that it makes me want to cry! I have a TENS machine with gel patches that helps, somewhat.
I have seen the DEA at my Drs. office a couple of times walking someone out in hand cuffs. Not because of my Dr., but because of the patients STUPIDITY! I just can't understand why people get hooked on pain meds. I guess they like to feel like a Zombie! SMH!
 
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