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The Koreans Mean Business! (Hyundai Genesis)
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Originally Posted By: 82DMC12
Seriously, Stevie... ****. Your posts are painful to read, but it makes sense considering you are like 20 years old or something. You come across as an annoying shill for Hyundai and I can barely stand to read any more of this thread.
The Genesis, while a good value, will never appeal to anyone who has any sense of self-respect. It's like wearing a Dockers suit. Yeah it looks all shiny on the surface and probably is nearly as good as the higher-priced competition, but anyone who is seriously considering a luxury sedan and has the means to buy a Lexus or Mercedes or Audi or even a Caddy will pass over the Hyundai for the simple reason it is a Hyundai. There might not be anything wrong with the car, but image means a lot. Doesn't make any sense, but it does. It's just that not many people who are willing to drop 40K on a car will be willing to buy a Hyundai when they could get a Lexus or Audi for the same coin (or at least a CPO luxury car). Even a CPO luxury car would be better in the company parking lot than a gussied-up Hyundai. You are treated differently when you drive a proven luxury car... and snickered at behind your back when you pull up with a Hyundai clone - as if you don't know any better.
Maybe someday things will change and public opinion will sway. But in my profession, I meet the richest professionals in town every day, and they do not drive Hyundais and wouldn't drive a Genesis. Even if a car sucks, they would rather spend the money and show they have the nameplate than get something sensible (as I am sure the Genesis is).
They should have started a new company and introduced the car that way. Then it might get some respect.
Andy
Here's image getting it's a$$ handed to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFLQbGidxOY
Seriously, Stevie... ****. Your posts are painful to read, but it makes sense considering you are like 20 years old or something. You come across as an annoying shill for Hyundai and I can barely stand to read any more of this thread.
The Genesis, while a good value, will never appeal to anyone who has any sense of self-respect. It's like wearing a Dockers suit. Yeah it looks all shiny on the surface and probably is nearly as good as the higher-priced competition, but anyone who is seriously considering a luxury sedan and has the means to buy a Lexus or Mercedes or Audi or even a Caddy will pass over the Hyundai for the simple reason it is a Hyundai. There might not be anything wrong with the car, but image means a lot. Doesn't make any sense, but it does. It's just that not many people who are willing to drop 40K on a car will be willing to buy a Hyundai when they could get a Lexus or Audi for the same coin (or at least a CPO luxury car). Even a CPO luxury car would be better in the company parking lot than a gussied-up Hyundai. You are treated differently when you drive a proven luxury car... and snickered at behind your back when you pull up with a Hyundai clone - as if you don't know any better.
Maybe someday things will change and public opinion will sway. But in my profession, I meet the richest professionals in town every day, and they do not drive Hyundais and wouldn't drive a Genesis. Even if a car sucks, they would rather spend the money and show they have the nameplate than get something sensible (as I am sure the Genesis is).
They should have started a new company and introduced the car that way. Then it might get some respect.
Andy
Here's image getting it's a$$ handed to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFLQbGidxOY
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Not being a jerk, but check back with me when you have 100,000 miles and let me know how the car is working out. I want to see if it is really as good as it looks to be... Again I'm being sincere...
That's very fair. Likewise, let me know how the Sante Fe does.
Not being a jerk, but check back with me when you have 100,000 miles and let me know how the car is working out. I want to see if it is really as good as it looks to be... Again I'm being sincere...
That's very fair. Likewise, let me know how the Sante Fe does.
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Not being a jerk, but check back with me when you have 100,000 miles and let me know how the car is working out. I want to see if it is really as good as it looks to be... Again I'm being sincere...
That's very fair. Likewise, let me know how the Sante Fe does.
Hey bud... I have 100,000 Miles on my Santa Fe (160K KM) now and it still is having 0 problems. Runs like a top!
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Not being a jerk, but check back with me when you have 100,000 miles and let me know how the car is working out. I want to see if it is really as good as it looks to be... Again I'm being sincere...
That's very fair. Likewise, let me know how the Sante Fe does.
Hey bud... I have 100,000 Miles on my Santa Fe (160K KM) now and it still is having 0 problems. Runs like a top!
Originally Posted By: rationull
Originally Posted By: 82DMC12
Maybe someday things will change and public opinion will sway. But in my profession, I meet the richest professionals in town every day, and they do not drive Hyundais and wouldn't drive a Genesis. Even if a car sucks, they would rather spend the money and show they have the nameplate than get something sensible (as I am sure the Genesis is).
The fact that you mention Lexus as a brand with an image people will pay for is proof that things will change and Hyundai does have a chance if they play their cards right. Image-conscious people weren't cross-shopping Lexus with MB in 1988, were they?
That's not the same thing. Lexus was a new brand with new dealerships and a new experience. Early Lexus cars were very similar to Toyotas of the time, but Toyota made sure Lexus buyers would have a different experience buying an LS400 compared to a Corolla.
Hyundai, on the other hand, has the same salesman selling you a Genesis and then calling up someone to sell an Accent. You visit the same bland dealership - and there are probably signs advertising "no credit? no problem!" like at the Kia dealer here.
That's why I said they should have made a new brand and I bet it would get more respect. I never said it wasn't a great car. I'm sure it is. But most luxury buyers, IMO, buy the car and the brand to show that they have 'made it'. And simply because their peers do the same.
Who would tell everyone they 'made it' by buying a Hyundai?
Andy
Originally Posted By: 82DMC12
Maybe someday things will change and public opinion will sway. But in my profession, I meet the richest professionals in town every day, and they do not drive Hyundais and wouldn't drive a Genesis. Even if a car sucks, they would rather spend the money and show they have the nameplate than get something sensible (as I am sure the Genesis is).
The fact that you mention Lexus as a brand with an image people will pay for is proof that things will change and Hyundai does have a chance if they play their cards right. Image-conscious people weren't cross-shopping Lexus with MB in 1988, were they?
That's not the same thing. Lexus was a new brand with new dealerships and a new experience. Early Lexus cars were very similar to Toyotas of the time, but Toyota made sure Lexus buyers would have a different experience buying an LS400 compared to a Corolla.
Hyundai, on the other hand, has the same salesman selling you a Genesis and then calling up someone to sell an Accent. You visit the same bland dealership - and there are probably signs advertising "no credit? no problem!" like at the Kia dealer here.
That's why I said they should have made a new brand and I bet it would get more respect. I never said it wasn't a great car. I'm sure it is. But most luxury buyers, IMO, buy the car and the brand to show that they have 'made it'. And simply because their peers do the same.
Who would tell everyone they 'made it' by buying a Hyundai?
Andy
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: 82DMC12
Seriously, Stevie... ****. Your posts are painful to read, but it makes sense considering you are like 20 years old or something. You come across as an annoying shill for Hyundai and I can barely stand to read any more of this thread.
The Genesis, while a good value, will never appeal to anyone who has any sense of self-respect. It's like wearing a Dockers suit. Yeah it looks all shiny on the surface and probably is nearly as good as the higher-priced competition, but anyone who is seriously considering a luxury sedan and has the means to buy a Lexus or Mercedes or Audi or even a Caddy will pass over the Hyundai for the simple reason it is a Hyundai. There might not be anything wrong with the car, but image means a lot. Doesn't make any sense, but it does. It's just that not many people who are willing to drop 40K on a car will be willing to buy a Hyundai when they could get a Lexus or Audi for the same coin (or at least a CPO luxury car). Even a CPO luxury car would be better in the company parking lot than a gussied-up Hyundai. You are treated differently when you drive a proven luxury car... and snickered at behind your back when you pull up with a Hyundai clone - as if you don't know any better.
Maybe someday things will change and public opinion will sway. But in my profession, I meet the richest professionals in town every day, and they do not drive Hyundais and wouldn't drive a Genesis. Even if a car sucks, they would rather spend the money and show they have the nameplate than get something sensible (as I am sure the Genesis is).
They should have started a new company and introduced the car that way. Then it might get some respect.
Andy
You have an 82 Delorean and you think the Hyundai Genesis doesn't deserve respect?
I don't look for respect. I enjoy the car as a piece of history, and the many awards I have won at car shows prove that others repect my choice to restore a quirky, somewhat flawed, but ahead-of-its-time GT that never fails to form a crowd everytime it is parked in the open.
My choice of a mad-money car in the back of my garage does not change the validity of my opinion regarding the Genesis.
FWIW, my daily drive is a 2008 Subaru Legacy Limited. I'm not the rich guy that is in the market for a 40K car.
Andy
Originally Posted By: 82DMC12
Seriously, Stevie... ****. Your posts are painful to read, but it makes sense considering you are like 20 years old or something. You come across as an annoying shill for Hyundai and I can barely stand to read any more of this thread.
The Genesis, while a good value, will never appeal to anyone who has any sense of self-respect. It's like wearing a Dockers suit. Yeah it looks all shiny on the surface and probably is nearly as good as the higher-priced competition, but anyone who is seriously considering a luxury sedan and has the means to buy a Lexus or Mercedes or Audi or even a Caddy will pass over the Hyundai for the simple reason it is a Hyundai. There might not be anything wrong with the car, but image means a lot. Doesn't make any sense, but it does. It's just that not many people who are willing to drop 40K on a car will be willing to buy a Hyundai when they could get a Lexus or Audi for the same coin (or at least a CPO luxury car). Even a CPO luxury car would be better in the company parking lot than a gussied-up Hyundai. You are treated differently when you drive a proven luxury car... and snickered at behind your back when you pull up with a Hyundai clone - as if you don't know any better.
Maybe someday things will change and public opinion will sway. But in my profession, I meet the richest professionals in town every day, and they do not drive Hyundais and wouldn't drive a Genesis. Even if a car sucks, they would rather spend the money and show they have the nameplate than get something sensible (as I am sure the Genesis is).
They should have started a new company and introduced the car that way. Then it might get some respect.
Andy
You have an 82 Delorean and you think the Hyundai Genesis doesn't deserve respect?
I don't look for respect. I enjoy the car as a piece of history, and the many awards I have won at car shows prove that others repect my choice to restore a quirky, somewhat flawed, but ahead-of-its-time GT that never fails to form a crowd everytime it is parked in the open.
My choice of a mad-money car in the back of my garage does not change the validity of my opinion regarding the Genesis.
FWIW, my daily drive is a 2008 Subaru Legacy Limited. I'm not the rich guy that is in the market for a 40K car.
Andy
Lets all drive Lexus because we need the status symbol, and lets all pay top dollar so we have bragging rights...
Don't know about you, but I think it's this style of thinking that got North America into the financial mess it's in with the mortgage meltdown.
While we are out buying these fancy cars lets get a house that we can't afford and costs way too much too and that we have no income to support because... Hey it makes us look good to the neighbours!
I would rather have a nice looking, well performing car that isn't going to break the bank than have a Lexus killing me financially that will get me to the same place a Genesis would regardless of what dealership it's sold in or what experience you have at the dealership because this is 1 day out of all the days you will own the vehicle and doesn't much matter after you take it home and park it in the driveway.
Just because you pay more doesn't mean it's better or smarter because you have "bragging" rights or paid to have a Lexus badge...
Look at the founder of Google he drives an ordinary 1999 Honda and he is a billionaire!
It's your kind of thinking that's wrong with North America... It's all about "Brand & Status" and not "Functionality & Cost to do the job"
Don't know about you, but I think it's this style of thinking that got North America into the financial mess it's in with the mortgage meltdown.
While we are out buying these fancy cars lets get a house that we can't afford and costs way too much too and that we have no income to support because... Hey it makes us look good to the neighbours!
I would rather have a nice looking, well performing car that isn't going to break the bank than have a Lexus killing me financially that will get me to the same place a Genesis would regardless of what dealership it's sold in or what experience you have at the dealership because this is 1 day out of all the days you will own the vehicle and doesn't much matter after you take it home and park it in the driveway.
Just because you pay more doesn't mean it's better or smarter because you have "bragging" rights or paid to have a Lexus badge...
Look at the founder of Google he drives an ordinary 1999 Honda and he is a billionaire!
It's your kind of thinking that's wrong with North America... It's all about "Brand & Status" and not "Functionality & Cost to do the job"
Originally Posted By: dkryan
Originally Posted By: 82DMC12
Seriously, Stevie... ****. Your posts are painful to read, but it makes sense considering you are like 20 years old or something. You come across as an annoying shill for Hyundai and I can barely stand to read any more of this thread.
The Genesis, while a good value, will never appeal to anyone who has any sense of self-respect. It's like wearing a Dockers suit. Yeah it looks all shiny on the surface and probably is nearly as good as the higher-priced competition, but anyone who is seriously considering a luxury sedan and has the means to buy a Lexus or Mercedes or Audi or even a Caddy will pass over the Hyundai for the simple reason it is a Hyundai. There might not be anything wrong with the car, but image means a lot. Doesn't make any sense, but it does. It's just that not many people who are willing to drop 40K on a car will be willing to buy a Hyundai when they could get a Lexus or Audi for the same coin (or at least a CPO luxury car). Even a CPO luxury car would be better in the company parking lot than a gussied-up Hyundai. You are treated differently when you drive a proven luxury car... and snickered at behind your back when you pull up with a Hyundai clone - as if you don't know any better.
Maybe someday things will change and public opinion will sway. But in my profession, I meet the richest professionals in town every day, and they do not drive Hyundais and wouldn't drive a Genesis. Even if a car sucks, they would rather spend the money and show they have the nameplate than get something sensible (as I am sure the Genesis is).
They should have started a new company and introduced the car that way. Then it might get some respect.
Andy
And seriously, Andy, or 82...., or whomever: "the richest professionals in town.......? What, sheep farmers are now driving Mercedes and Lexus autos around Fargo?
You chastise Steve for being a "20-year old shill for Hyundai," yet what does the statement "there might not be anything wrong with the car, but image means a lot..." say about you and the arrogance in Fargo?
"Yeah it looks all shiny on the surface and probably is nearly as good as the higher-priced competition." At least you admit the car is worth every dime they sticker it for, unlike the quality lacking Benz and the over-priced Toyotas (Lexus) you worship.
I don't know where you are from, but Fargo is a vibrant city with many tech companies, large banks, three 4-year universities within a ten mile radius, as well as major operations for Microsoft and Case IH. Not to mention the GEM car that Daimler Chrysler bought was started here and is manufactured a mile away from me. Hardly a bunch of sheep farmers.
I'm not being arrogant about my hometown. I'm just saying people with money who need to impress don't buy Hyundai's. At least not right now.
And I don't worship Lexus. I had an ES300 that was nothing but trouble.
Andy
Originally Posted By: 82DMC12
Seriously, Stevie... ****. Your posts are painful to read, but it makes sense considering you are like 20 years old or something. You come across as an annoying shill for Hyundai and I can barely stand to read any more of this thread.
The Genesis, while a good value, will never appeal to anyone who has any sense of self-respect. It's like wearing a Dockers suit. Yeah it looks all shiny on the surface and probably is nearly as good as the higher-priced competition, but anyone who is seriously considering a luxury sedan and has the means to buy a Lexus or Mercedes or Audi or even a Caddy will pass over the Hyundai for the simple reason it is a Hyundai. There might not be anything wrong with the car, but image means a lot. Doesn't make any sense, but it does. It's just that not many people who are willing to drop 40K on a car will be willing to buy a Hyundai when they could get a Lexus or Audi for the same coin (or at least a CPO luxury car). Even a CPO luxury car would be better in the company parking lot than a gussied-up Hyundai. You are treated differently when you drive a proven luxury car... and snickered at behind your back when you pull up with a Hyundai clone - as if you don't know any better.
Maybe someday things will change and public opinion will sway. But in my profession, I meet the richest professionals in town every day, and they do not drive Hyundais and wouldn't drive a Genesis. Even if a car sucks, they would rather spend the money and show they have the nameplate than get something sensible (as I am sure the Genesis is).
They should have started a new company and introduced the car that way. Then it might get some respect.
Andy
And seriously, Andy, or 82...., or whomever: "the richest professionals in town.......? What, sheep farmers are now driving Mercedes and Lexus autos around Fargo?
You chastise Steve for being a "20-year old shill for Hyundai," yet what does the statement "there might not be anything wrong with the car, but image means a lot..." say about you and the arrogance in Fargo?
"Yeah it looks all shiny on the surface and probably is nearly as good as the higher-priced competition." At least you admit the car is worth every dime they sticker it for, unlike the quality lacking Benz and the over-priced Toyotas (Lexus) you worship.
I don't know where you are from, but Fargo is a vibrant city with many tech companies, large banks, three 4-year universities within a ten mile radius, as well as major operations for Microsoft and Case IH. Not to mention the GEM car that Daimler Chrysler bought was started here and is manufactured a mile away from me. Hardly a bunch of sheep farmers.
I'm not being arrogant about my hometown. I'm just saying people with money who need to impress don't buy Hyundai's. At least not right now.
And I don't worship Lexus. I had an ES300 that was nothing but trouble.
Andy
Originally Posted By: 82DMC12
... I'm not being arrogant about my hometown. I'm just saying people with money who need to impress don't buy Hyundai's. At least not right now...
Andy
And this is fine for CEO's who make tons of money per year and can afford to waste it on a vehicle like a Lexus, but I have a problem with Joe Consumer who can't really afford it buying a Lexus as a status symbol just trying to fit-in.
Why not buy a Genesis and keep the rest in the bank where it belongs!
And why can't you impress someone with a Genesis, because it doesn't bare the costly "L" logo? [censored] go to a Lexus dealer and buy one of the badges and stick it on the Genesis, will this make it magically better and respectable?
GIMME A BREAK!
... I'm not being arrogant about my hometown. I'm just saying people with money who need to impress don't buy Hyundai's. At least not right now...
Andy
And this is fine for CEO's who make tons of money per year and can afford to waste it on a vehicle like a Lexus, but I have a problem with Joe Consumer who can't really afford it buying a Lexus as a status symbol just trying to fit-in.
Why not buy a Genesis and keep the rest in the bank where it belongs!
And why can't you impress someone with a Genesis, because it doesn't bare the costly "L" logo? [censored] go to a Lexus dealer and buy one of the badges and stick it on the Genesis, will this make it magically better and respectable?
GIMME A BREAK!
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Lets all drive Lexus because we need the status symbol, and lets all pay top dollar so we have bragging rights...
Don't know about you, but I think it's this style of thinking that got North America into the financial mess it's in with the mortgage meltdown.
While we are out buying these fancy cars lets get a house that we can't afford and costs way too much too and that we have no income to support because... Hey it makes us look good to the neighbours!
I would rather have a nice looking, well performing car that isn't going to break the bank than have a Lexus killing me financially that will get me to the same place a Genesis would regardless of what dealership it's sold in or what experience you have at the dealership because this is 1 day out of all the days you will own the vehicle and doesn't much matter after you take it home and park it in the driveway.
Just because you pay more doesn't mean it's better or smarter because you have "bragging" rights or paid to have a Lexus badge...
Look at the founder of Google he drives an ordinary 1999 Honda and he is a billionaire!
It's your kind of thinking that's wrong with North America... It's all about "Brand & Status" and not "Functionality & Cost to do the job"
here here Stevie!
Lets all drive Lexus because we need the status symbol, and lets all pay top dollar so we have bragging rights...
Don't know about you, but I think it's this style of thinking that got North America into the financial mess it's in with the mortgage meltdown.
While we are out buying these fancy cars lets get a house that we can't afford and costs way too much too and that we have no income to support because... Hey it makes us look good to the neighbours!
I would rather have a nice looking, well performing car that isn't going to break the bank than have a Lexus killing me financially that will get me to the same place a Genesis would regardless of what dealership it's sold in or what experience you have at the dealership because this is 1 day out of all the days you will own the vehicle and doesn't much matter after you take it home and park it in the driveway.
Just because you pay more doesn't mean it's better or smarter because you have "bragging" rights or paid to have a Lexus badge...
Look at the founder of Google he drives an ordinary 1999 Honda and he is a billionaire!
It's your kind of thinking that's wrong with North America... It's all about "Brand & Status" and not "Functionality & Cost to do the job"
here here Stevie!
82DMC12:
Fair point that Toyota helped its chances with Lexus by starting a new brand with new dealers. And yes, there are some people who won't by a Genesis because it's a Hyundai. I'm sure there were people in the early years of Lexus who wouldn't buy one because it was a Toyota, despite the different brand and dealer.
Hyundai is blazing new trails here by attempting to move partially up-market while sticking to their existing branding. Personally I respect and applaud them for it. I wish companies like Nissan, Honda, and Toyota would proudly badge their flagship cars with their corporate badges, honestly.
I'm not sure whether they will succeed or fail (I hope they succeed). I just don't think it's possible to call it yet. Especially with the current status of the NA economy.
Fair point that Toyota helped its chances with Lexus by starting a new brand with new dealers. And yes, there are some people who won't by a Genesis because it's a Hyundai. I'm sure there were people in the early years of Lexus who wouldn't buy one because it was a Toyota, despite the different brand and dealer.
Hyundai is blazing new trails here by attempting to move partially up-market while sticking to their existing branding. Personally I respect and applaud them for it. I wish companies like Nissan, Honda, and Toyota would proudly badge their flagship cars with their corporate badges, honestly.
I'm not sure whether they will succeed or fail (I hope they succeed). I just don't think it's possible to call it yet. Especially with the current status of the NA economy.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Seriously Ben, what do you have in that car? I'm a huge Mustang fan. A client of mine has a 93 LX Mustang with a dead stock 351 short block, AFR heads, a T-76 turbo, and a built C4 that runs low 10s at over 130 mph at out high altitudes in CO. Has it tuned to run on E85. Far and away the fastest car I've ever ridden in.
Drew, it's a '99 GT with an '05 Aviator (4.6 quad cam) long block, 01 Cobra cams, ported Mach 1 intake, all the bolt ons, gears, full suspension, few hundred pounds of weight loss, you name it... but no power adder.
Seriously Ben, what do you have in that car? I'm a huge Mustang fan. A client of mine has a 93 LX Mustang with a dead stock 351 short block, AFR heads, a T-76 turbo, and a built C4 that runs low 10s at over 130 mph at out high altitudes in CO. Has it tuned to run on E85. Far and away the fastest car I've ever ridden in.
Drew, it's a '99 GT with an '05 Aviator (4.6 quad cam) long block, 01 Cobra cams, ported Mach 1 intake, all the bolt ons, gears, full suspension, few hundred pounds of weight loss, you name it... but no power adder.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: dkryan
Tiny little ben driving a ten year old Mustang and all upset over a Korean car that just might have something to offer over ALMOST ALL big-3 cars?
Tiny little Ben? 6'3" 210 here, and the 10 year old Mustang isn't the daily driver.
Bring on your Hyundai...
And seriously, don't drag me into your [censored]. I don't even feel like any of your post applies to the argument I was making at all, even though you keep dragging my name into it.
Chill out d0OD.
HAWT!!!! Lovin' the cowl!
Those MT ET street DR's or BFG's on the back?
It's got BFG Radial T/As on in the pic, but I have a pair of wrinkle-wall E/T Street 26x10.5s on standby.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: dkryan
Tiny little ben driving a ten year old Mustang and all upset over a Korean car that just might have something to offer over ALMOST ALL big-3 cars?
Tiny little Ben? 6'3" 210 here, and the 10 year old Mustang isn't the daily driver.
Bring on your Hyundai...
And seriously, don't drag me into your [censored]. I don't even feel like any of your post applies to the argument I was making at all, even though you keep dragging my name into it.
Chill out d0OD.
HAWT!!!! Lovin' the cowl!
Those MT ET street DR's or BFG's on the back?
It's got BFG Radial T/As on in the pic, but I have a pair of wrinkle-wall E/T Street 26x10.5s on standby.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Seriously Ben, what do you have in that car? I'm a huge Mustang fan. A client of mine has a 93 LX Mustang with a dead stock 351 short block, AFR heads, a T-76 turbo, and a built C4 that runs low 10s at over 130 mph at out high altitudes in CO. Has it tuned to run on E85. Far and away the fastest car I've ever ridden in.
Drew, it's a '99 GT with an '05 Aviator (4.6 quad cam) long block, 01 Cobra cams, ported Mach 1 intake, all the bolt ons, gears, full suspension, few hundred pounds of weight loss, you name it... but no power adder.
That's an odd combo! Why the aviator longblock? Cheaper then a Cobra motor or something? Any plans for a blower?
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Seriously Ben, what do you have in that car? I'm a huge Mustang fan. A client of mine has a 93 LX Mustang with a dead stock 351 short block, AFR heads, a T-76 turbo, and a built C4 that runs low 10s at over 130 mph at out high altitudes in CO. Has it tuned to run on E85. Far and away the fastest car I've ever ridden in.
Drew, it's a '99 GT with an '05 Aviator (4.6 quad cam) long block, 01 Cobra cams, ported Mach 1 intake, all the bolt ons, gears, full suspension, few hundred pounds of weight loss, you name it... but no power adder.
That's an odd combo! Why the aviator longblock? Cheaper then a Cobra motor or something? Any plans for a blower?
The Aviator long block was cheaper and newer, had the revised 8 thread heads, no miles, better performing cyl. heads than the 99/01 Cobras and it's otherwise the exact same long-block as the automatic Mach 1s and Mercury Marauders (right down to cams and valve-springs). The setup makes surprising power for all affordable factory parts and a stock-like idle. The rear wheel numbers aren't too far from the Genesis 4.6's flywheel numbers.
No plans for a blower...it'll have a turbo/automatic setup one day in the distant future, but it's gotta go 10s with an N/A 4V first.
No plans for a blower...it'll have a turbo/automatic setup one day in the distant future, but it's gotta go 10s with an N/A 4V first.
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Did it ever occur to anyone WHY a Toyota had to come out with a New Brand name for a "higher end" vehicle? Maybe because No one would pay twice the amount for the same quality car as a Toyota. So they put a differnt grill on it, a premium interior, slap a new badge on it and what do you have? A toyota. At least Hyundai was honest enough to keep to where the car actually came from...
I'm not sure it's possible to know whether Toyota "had" to come out with a new brand for its luxury vehicles; just the result of their decision to do it that way.
Fashion and image are notoriously fickle, and this can cut both ways. Image may be against Hyundai's overnight success potential against marques like MB and Lexus but I still don't think it's fair to assume that they cannot build up their image to the point where they could compete. They've come quite far in the last 5 years -- who knows what people will think of them after 5 more?
Fashion and image are notoriously fickle, and this can cut both ways. Image may be against Hyundai's overnight success potential against marques like MB and Lexus but I still don't think it's fair to assume that they cannot build up their image to the point where they could compete. They've come quite far in the last 5 years -- who knows what people will think of them after 5 more?
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Did it ever occur to anyone WHY a Toyota had to come out with a New Brand name for a "higher end" vehicle? Maybe because No one would pay twice the amount for the same quality car as a Toyota. So they put a differnt grill on it, a premium interior, slap a new badge on it and what do you have? A toyota. At least Hyundai was honest enough to keep to where the car actually came from...
Honesty has nothing to do with it. Toyota started a new brand because that's what their market research said to do. It was good business - not because of some inherent problem with Toyota as you insinuate. The Lexus success was a case study in a business text book I used in college.
Honda did the same thing with Acura a couple years earlier, and Nissan with Infiniti later. You could make the same arguement for Cadillac during much of the time GM has had it.
If Hyundai is so honest, ask them where they got THEIR fancy grill from....
Andy
Did it ever occur to anyone WHY a Toyota had to come out with a New Brand name for a "higher end" vehicle? Maybe because No one would pay twice the amount for the same quality car as a Toyota. So they put a differnt grill on it, a premium interior, slap a new badge on it and what do you have? A toyota. At least Hyundai was honest enough to keep to where the car actually came from...
Honesty has nothing to do with it. Toyota started a new brand because that's what their market research said to do. It was good business - not because of some inherent problem with Toyota as you insinuate. The Lexus success was a case study in a business text book I used in college.
Honda did the same thing with Acura a couple years earlier, and Nissan with Infiniti later. You could make the same arguement for Cadillac during much of the time GM has had it.
If Hyundai is so honest, ask them where they got THEIR fancy grill from....
Andy
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Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
The Aviator long block was cheaper and newer, had the revised 8 thread heads, no miles, better performing cyl. heads than the 99/01 Cobras and it's otherwise the exact same long-block as the automatic Mach 1s and Mercury Marauders (right down to cams and valve-springs). The setup makes surprising power for all affordable factory parts and a stock-like idle. The rear wheel numbers aren't too far from the Genesis 4.6's flywheel numbers.
No plans for a blower...it'll have a turbo/automatic setup one day in the distant future, but it's gotta go 10s with an N/A 4V first.
You checked out the TEA stage 3 Termi heads? They flow like toilets!
The Aviator long block was cheaper and newer, had the revised 8 thread heads, no miles, better performing cyl. heads than the 99/01 Cobras and it's otherwise the exact same long-block as the automatic Mach 1s and Mercury Marauders (right down to cams and valve-springs). The setup makes surprising power for all affordable factory parts and a stock-like idle. The rear wheel numbers aren't too far from the Genesis 4.6's flywheel numbers.
No plans for a blower...it'll have a turbo/automatic setup one day in the distant future, but it's gotta go 10s with an N/A 4V first.
You checked out the TEA stage 3 Termi heads? They flow like toilets!
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