Why do I always hear that "Use less" How can you use less, eat less, spend less, why not just move to a third world country then. Use less does not promote growth. The U.S is growing bigger and it needs more not less, China and India are growing too and they need more which is putting pressuer on the supply and demand, anybody mention to them to stop growing and use less. Everybody go out and buy hybrids, not everyone, mostly the ones who need it the most can afford a new hybrid to "use less" they still got to drive to work, what about the family living in a house in Pennsyvania, this winter are they to just to go solar and "use less". Where do most people get the money to get into your "use less position. I think about everyone is "doing less" they arent going out to eat as much, no vacations, spending less on everything else, because they need gas to function. Most dont have the luxury to "use less" and survive. Next time the philosophy of "use less" comes up, tell it to China or India or some other country that is making all attempts to become like us meanwhile we are making attempts to become like they use to be.
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
The U.S is growing bigger
If by bigger you mean shrinking Lebensraum, then you are correct. Of course, going by some of the things you've said on the forum previously, I know that you are totally in favor of expansionism, PANZER-man.
The U.S is growing bigger
If by bigger you mean shrinking Lebensraum, then you are correct. Of course, going by some of the things you've said on the forum previously, I know that you are totally in favor of expansionism, PANZER-man.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Why do I always hear that "Use less" Most dont have the luxury to "use less" and survive. Next time the philosophy of "use less" comes up, tell it to China or India or some other country that is making all attempts to become like us meanwhile we are making attempts to become like they use to be.
Those who can't afford it will use less. The U.S. will use less bc we can't afford to continue to pay for our fuel with money we don't have.
Of course it would be nice to tell China, Russia, India and the rest of the 95% of the world's population to use less gasoline. And since we only use up 43% of the worlds Gasoline (165 billion gal/year) that shouldn't be much of a problem.
Don't worry Panzerman you will be able to use as much fuel in the future as you can afford. And so will the rest of us.
Why do I always hear that "Use less" Most dont have the luxury to "use less" and survive. Next time the philosophy of "use less" comes up, tell it to China or India or some other country that is making all attempts to become like us meanwhile we are making attempts to become like they use to be.
Those who can't afford it will use less. The U.S. will use less bc we can't afford to continue to pay for our fuel with money we don't have.
Of course it would be nice to tell China, Russia, India and the rest of the 95% of the world's population to use less gasoline. And since we only use up 43% of the worlds Gasoline (165 billion gal/year) that shouldn't be much of a problem.
Don't worry Panzerman you will be able to use as much fuel in the future as you can afford. And so will the rest of us.
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Why do I always hear that "Use less" How can you use less, eat less, spend less, why not just move to a third world country then. Use less does not promote growth. The U.S is growing bigger and it needs more not less, China and India are growing too and they need more which is putting pressuer on the supply and demand, anybody mention to them to stop growing and use less. Everybody go out and buy hybrids, not everyone, mostly the ones who need it the most can afford a new hybrid to "use less" they still got to drive to work, what about the family living in a house in Pennsyvania, this winter are they to just to go solar and "use less". Where do most people get the money to get into your "use less position. I think about everyone is "doing less" they arent going out to eat as much, no vacations, spending less on everything else, because they need gas to function. Most dont have the luxury to "use less" and survive. Next time the philosophy of "use less" comes up, tell it to China or India or some other country that is making all attempts to become like us meanwhile we are making attempts to become like they use to be.
Get yourself a real warm coat. It's a cold cruel world out there.
Ask yourself how many "lifetimes" you've wasted because you were Nature's way of saying you made too much money. I can count several in my past. You've been a glutton for so long that you think you're some po'boy when you have to live within reasonable means. What you can't figure out is that you were wasting away the "reasonable" part of now ..and the bill has finally come due. If you've ever heard my pointless points of view, you'll have realized that you've been spending the equity of the hardest working generations ..over a very short period. Now it's time to pay the piper. Did you like tax cuts? Pay the piper! Did you like the expanding economy that was 100% done in 3rd world China and India (biggest growth)? The PAY THE PIPER. Did you like low interests rates that fueled even more foolish spending by people who can't see beyond their own puny existance and into the future?? THEN PAY THE PIPER!! You danced to the music ..you owe the bill.
Stop whining and take it like a man!!!
Why do I always hear that "Use less" How can you use less, eat less, spend less, why not just move to a third world country then. Use less does not promote growth. The U.S is growing bigger and it needs more not less, China and India are growing too and they need more which is putting pressuer on the supply and demand, anybody mention to them to stop growing and use less. Everybody go out and buy hybrids, not everyone, mostly the ones who need it the most can afford a new hybrid to "use less" they still got to drive to work, what about the family living in a house in Pennsyvania, this winter are they to just to go solar and "use less". Where do most people get the money to get into your "use less position. I think about everyone is "doing less" they arent going out to eat as much, no vacations, spending less on everything else, because they need gas to function. Most dont have the luxury to "use less" and survive. Next time the philosophy of "use less" comes up, tell it to China or India or some other country that is making all attempts to become like us meanwhile we are making attempts to become like they use to be.
Get yourself a real warm coat. It's a cold cruel world out there.
Ask yourself how many "lifetimes" you've wasted because you were Nature's way of saying you made too much money. I can count several in my past. You've been a glutton for so long that you think you're some po'boy when you have to live within reasonable means. What you can't figure out is that you were wasting away the "reasonable" part of now ..and the bill has finally come due. If you've ever heard my pointless points of view, you'll have realized that you've been spending the equity of the hardest working generations ..over a very short period. Now it's time to pay the piper. Did you like tax cuts? Pay the piper! Did you like the expanding economy that was 100% done in 3rd world China and India (biggest growth)? The PAY THE PIPER. Did you like low interests rates that fueled even more foolish spending by people who can't see beyond their own puny existance and into the future?? THEN PAY THE PIPER!! You danced to the music ..you owe the bill.
Stop whining and take it like a man!!!
Lebensraum, I learned a new word today. Scary part is I agree with that therory somewhat. Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Lebensraum, I learned a new word today. Scary part is I agree with that therory somewhat. Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
Of course you agree with that concept. Unbridled greed, jealousy, and the relentless desire to exploit at all cost for personal gain go wonderfully hand in hand.
Lebensraum, I learned a new word today. Scary part is I agree with that therory somewhat. Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
Of course you agree with that concept. Unbridled greed, jealousy, and the relentless desire to exploit at all cost for personal gain go wonderfully hand in hand.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
About 5 minutes before the price of oil goes up to 300, 400, 500 dollars a barrel.
Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
About 5 minutes before the price of oil goes up to 300, 400, 500 dollars a barrel.
First you have to see who or what is the reason why there is no drilling etc. in this country . Follow the money. We are paying $4.00+ per gallon I just can't see why oil prices will drop. Soon we will be used to the price of gas . People who can afford the big cars / trucks will have them ,ones who realize they can't will buy small cars to replace their big ones they really couldn't afford in the first place .
Originally Posted By: buster
Again, who do I believe? This thread is proving my point.
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There is an estimated 2 trillion barrels of oil buried beneath parts of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming. Geologists, petroleum companies and the federal government have known about these massive deposits for nearly a century. The trouble has always been: how do you get at it?
It is believed that the shale deposits in the Green River region of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming are holding the equivalent of approximately 1.5 trillion to 1.8 trillion barrels of oil. Called “oil shale” or “shale oil,” according to scientists and petroleum companies, much of it cannot be recovered with current technology due to the costly processing involved and the depth of the deposits buried beneath the Rocky Mountains.
Still, if only half can be extracted, scientists believe the amount is nearly triple the oil reserves of Saudi Arabia.
buster,
Here's a map of the "proven" coal reserves of my state.
Follow the train tracks west of Sydney, and I'm in Lithgow, about 80 Miles away from Sydney.Wollongong to Newcastle is about 3 hours in a car.
The reserves extend out under the ocean to a considerable degree.
My locale has heaps of shale oil, the use of which denuded the area of trees for ages, with the shale having to be mined, baked and discarded. There is a company about to start drilling oil off Sydney/Newcastle in the near future.
There are Billions of tonnes of fuel there, and we are still paying $50/tonne for coal, and $1.70/litre for petrol.
Again, who do I believe? This thread is proving my point.
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There is an estimated 2 trillion barrels of oil buried beneath parts of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming. Geologists, petroleum companies and the federal government have known about these massive deposits for nearly a century. The trouble has always been: how do you get at it?
It is believed that the shale deposits in the Green River region of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming are holding the equivalent of approximately 1.5 trillion to 1.8 trillion barrels of oil. Called “oil shale” or “shale oil,” according to scientists and petroleum companies, much of it cannot be recovered with current technology due to the costly processing involved and the depth of the deposits buried beneath the Rocky Mountains.
Still, if only half can be extracted, scientists believe the amount is nearly triple the oil reserves of Saudi Arabia.
buster,
Here's a map of the "proven" coal reserves of my state.
Follow the train tracks west of Sydney, and I'm in Lithgow, about 80 Miles away from Sydney.Wollongong to Newcastle is about 3 hours in a car.
The reserves extend out under the ocean to a considerable degree.
My locale has heaps of shale oil, the use of which denuded the area of trees for ages, with the shale having to be mined, baked and discarded. There is a company about to start drilling oil off Sydney/Newcastle in the near future.
There are Billions of tonnes of fuel there, and we are still paying $50/tonne for coal, and $1.70/litre for petrol.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Lebensraum, I learned a new word today. Scary part is I agree with that therory somewhat. Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
I wonder if you'd be so gung-ho if you were having to join the invading force and get shot at.
Lebensraum, I learned a new word today. Scary part is I agree with that therory somewhat. Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
I wonder if you'd be so gung-ho if you were having to join the invading force and get shot at.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Why do I always hear that "Use less" How can you use less,
Don’t drive a vehicle that gets 12 MPG city that carries only one person.
Don’t drive 80+ MPH to save 5 minutes on a trip.
Don’t drive 100+ Mile Round trip to work on a daily basis.
Don’t idle engines for 20 min to warm up cars because I am a P***y and cant take the cold.
Don’t idle cars needlessly just for the AC.
Don’t spend all day driving across the city price shopping to save only $5.
...........
We could easily cut consumption by 5-10% if we just eliminate the stupid waste. It seems that the mainstream can not understand/care/respect that oil is a finite resource and that its misuse has consequences unless fuel is well over $3/gallon.
Why do I always hear that "Use less" How can you use less,
Don’t drive a vehicle that gets 12 MPG city that carries only one person.
Don’t drive 80+ MPH to save 5 minutes on a trip.
Don’t drive 100+ Mile Round trip to work on a daily basis.
Don’t idle engines for 20 min to warm up cars because I am a P***y and cant take the cold.
Don’t idle cars needlessly just for the AC.
Don’t spend all day driving across the city price shopping to save only $5.
...........
We could easily cut consumption by 5-10% if we just eliminate the stupid waste. It seems that the mainstream can not understand/care/respect that oil is a finite resource and that its misuse has consequences unless fuel is well over $3/gallon.
Originally Posted By: buster
I find it harder than ever to find reliable, accurate information in the so called "information age". Some of the conflicting information regarding our energy crisis that I have read, once again, leves me wondering what to believe. Even with climate issues, it's so hard to find what the truth is anymore.
1. How much oil do we have in the U.S.? More specifically Colorado and Alaska? Last night on the news they said offshore drilling would give us maybe 2.5 years of oil. I've heard some say we have more than S. Arabia, and yet some say we only have about 5 years worth.
2.I've then heard that oil companies have had access to 58,000 acres of land with oil that they have not even touched. Why? Cheaper to import I suppose.
3.If we drill, which I believe we should, and oil becomes inexpensive again, do we risk further environmental damage from oceans to air quality? Do we risk falling back into the same trap, neglecting to pursue alternative sources of energy? Can we really drill safely?
Nuclear sounds like a very promissing alternative, something we should be exploring IMO. I try and go to as many sources per day to get a wide range of news opinions/sources. It just seems to me that it's harder than ever to really find out what true and what is not.
Buster it is very good to be sceptical, to many people have an agenda and spin the story. Usually the best indicators are extreme positions whether they be left of right. and another good indicator is an inability to admit there are any drawbacks to their position.
Doing your own independent research is always best. Data is usually readily available. Surprisingly Wikipedia is usually a good place to start. Other good data are industry sources. If a company says that it owns X resources then it does, it is fraud to report otherwise. Other great data is available from government sources, due diligence demands that it is accurate. Some sources I use:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/inflation_calc.html (Try the Federal Reserve for US Data)
http://www.un.org/databases/index.html
As to your question on oil reserves, you will get different answers due to different sources of measure. When they tap an oil well initially the oil flows out under its own pressure, as the source empties it then needs to be pumped out. It will then empty to a point that it takes as much energy to get it out as the oil is worth, so they leave the rest of it in the ground. There is a lot of that oil still in the ground in known locations. Those reserves have become economically unviable. All oil sources have a different point of economic viability, what you use as your measure may drastically change your data. There is also problem that there is oil we just haven’t found yet.
I find it harder than ever to find reliable, accurate information in the so called "information age". Some of the conflicting information regarding our energy crisis that I have read, once again, leves me wondering what to believe. Even with climate issues, it's so hard to find what the truth is anymore.
1. How much oil do we have in the U.S.? More specifically Colorado and Alaska? Last night on the news they said offshore drilling would give us maybe 2.5 years of oil. I've heard some say we have more than S. Arabia, and yet some say we only have about 5 years worth.
2.I've then heard that oil companies have had access to 58,000 acres of land with oil that they have not even touched. Why? Cheaper to import I suppose.
3.If we drill, which I believe we should, and oil becomes inexpensive again, do we risk further environmental damage from oceans to air quality? Do we risk falling back into the same trap, neglecting to pursue alternative sources of energy? Can we really drill safely?
Nuclear sounds like a very promissing alternative, something we should be exploring IMO. I try and go to as many sources per day to get a wide range of news opinions/sources. It just seems to me that it's harder than ever to really find out what true and what is not.
Buster it is very good to be sceptical, to many people have an agenda and spin the story. Usually the best indicators are extreme positions whether they be left of right. and another good indicator is an inability to admit there are any drawbacks to their position.
Doing your own independent research is always best. Data is usually readily available. Surprisingly Wikipedia is usually a good place to start. Other good data are industry sources. If a company says that it owns X resources then it does, it is fraud to report otherwise. Other great data is available from government sources, due diligence demands that it is accurate. Some sources I use:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/inflation_calc.html (Try the Federal Reserve for US Data)
http://www.un.org/databases/index.html
As to your question on oil reserves, you will get different answers due to different sources of measure. When they tap an oil well initially the oil flows out under its own pressure, as the source empties it then needs to be pumped out. It will then empty to a point that it takes as much energy to get it out as the oil is worth, so they leave the rest of it in the ground. There is a lot of that oil still in the ground in known locations. Those reserves have become economically unviable. All oil sources have a different point of economic viability, what you use as your measure may drastically change your data. There is also problem that there is oil we just haven’t found yet.
Your missing the point here, These are all common sense saving tips, but they dont fit everyones specific uses. What about the people who work at Mcdonalds or the clerk at Dollar General, do you think they live there, I dont think they are wasteing fuel, but they have to get to work, what about people in the lawn service, it costs $20 to fill up a lawnmower, how are they suppose to utilize your tips and what about people with oil heat, keep it at 48 and wear snowmobil suits to bed. I could go on and on with big trucks idling to having something large enough to pull a trailer, but cant afford a second car. You paint a wonderful fuel saving tip chart, but utilizing it with a perfect situation would still net you gas for about $3.75 a gallon. Too little to matter in the scheme of things, the only people who could actaul do the things you mention to save money and fuel, are the people who can afford not too.
Originally Posted By: MarkC
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Lebensraum, I learned a new word today. Scary part is I agree with that therory somewhat. Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
I wonder if you'd be so gung-ho if you were having to join the invading force and get shot at.
Put me on the front line charge, if it means American power, getting shot at isnt that bad when you come to cope with the worst thing that can happen is getting killed.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Lebensraum, I learned a new word today. Scary part is I agree with that therory somewhat. Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
I wonder if you'd be so gung-ho if you were having to join the invading force and get shot at.
Put me on the front line charge, if it means American power, getting shot at isnt that bad when you come to cope with the worst thing that can happen is getting killed.
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What about the people who work at Mcdonalds or the clerk at Dollar General,
First, do you really care? If you did, you would have supported economic policies that made McDonalds a waiting room for people to move into gainful employment ..and not the end of the road for more and more of them. I do appreciate your pity for the rabble ..but since you're not one of them, I see no reason for you to whine about high gas prices. Give up some needlessly senseless distraction that you can live without.
Now this may or may not be you, Panzerman, but I laugh so loud in my head when some brainless full throttle consumer whines about high gas prices ..as they rack up cc debt for their big screen ..followed by their Xbox ..followed by their new vehicle ..followed by this or that ...over $4000/year for cable/internet/cellphone/pay per view ....whatever.
Just tell me that you're REALLY SUFFERING ..or are you just stifled in where your consumer $$$ is going?
I OBJECT!!! ..to not being able to blow the cash burning a hole in my pocket in the way I choose
Hint, pal: I'd love to be sipping beverages on some tropical island and doing absolutely nothing and get everything I want with the mere ringing of a bell. Why can't I do this? I surely think I deserve it for all the hard work I've done in my life. You're just whining about becoming a poorer person.
So is everyone else.
What about the people who work at Mcdonalds or the clerk at Dollar General,
First, do you really care? If you did, you would have supported economic policies that made McDonalds a waiting room for people to move into gainful employment ..and not the end of the road for more and more of them. I do appreciate your pity for the rabble ..but since you're not one of them, I see no reason for you to whine about high gas prices. Give up some needlessly senseless distraction that you can live without.
Now this may or may not be you, Panzerman, but I laugh so loud in my head when some brainless full throttle consumer whines about high gas prices ..as they rack up cc debt for their big screen ..followed by their Xbox ..followed by their new vehicle ..followed by this or that ...over $4000/year for cable/internet/cellphone/pay per view ....whatever.
Just tell me that you're REALLY SUFFERING ..or are you just stifled in where your consumer $$$ is going?
I OBJECT!!! ..to not being able to blow the cash burning a hole in my pocket in the way I choose
Hint, pal: I'd love to be sipping beverages on some tropical island and doing absolutely nothing and get everything I want with the mere ringing of a bell. Why can't I do this? I surely think I deserve it for all the hard work I've done in my life. You're just whining about becoming a poorer person.
So is everyone else.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: MarkC
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Lebensraum, I learned a new word today. Scary part is I agree with that therory somewhat. Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
I wonder if you'd be so gung-ho if you were having to join the invading force and get shot at.
Put me on the front line charge, if it means American power, getting shot at isnt that bad when you come to cope with the worst thing that can happen is getting killed.
Then why are you sitting in front of a computer instead of heading down to the recruiter's office?
Originally Posted By: MarkC
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Lebensraum, I learned a new word today. Scary part is I agree with that therory somewhat. Soooo, when are we invading Iran?
I wonder if you'd be so gung-ho if you were having to join the invading force and get shot at.
Put me on the front line charge, if it means American power, getting shot at isnt that bad when you come to cope with the worst thing that can happen is getting killed.
Then why are you sitting in front of a computer instead of heading down to the recruiter's office?
Another thing to consider is that many OPEC countries are widely believed to overstate their reserves.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange
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James Hansen, one of the world's leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.
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James Hansen, one of the world's leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.
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