I would always pick group III over PAO. I wouldn't just trust to go much longer OCIs. It was a rational choice and actually the new formulation is probably better than the older one (if we don't mention cold-start performance).
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I recently bought the last 2 jugs of M1 Euro 0W-40 and M1 Euro 5W-40 on sale at the store and iirc, both have exact same bunch of approvals like A40, MB, VW, LL01, etc. Or the difference wasn't that much. I have to look tomorrow.
So which one is better? I guess I would prefer the 0W if I had to move to Northern Canada or Alaska. Plus a block heater!
Other than the certs and approvals, the rest is a guessing game! At least for the average consumer. If one has a specific approval that is appealing or required and the other one doesn't, then that's your answer.
So which one is better? I guess I would prefer the 0W if I had to move to Northern Canada or Alaska. Plus a block heater!
Other than the certs and approvals, the rest is a guessing game! At least for the average consumer. If one has a specific approval that is appealing or required and the other one doesn't, then that's your answer.
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Quaker State is the way. 5/40 Euro
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QS is inexpensive, available, with all the euro approvals. Apparently the same as Pensoil 5w40 Euro.
Pennzoil Euro 5w40 does not currently* have the SP additive package and is GTL.
*I think Shell is in the process of updating their Pennzoil product sold in the US.
That’s irrelevant for a 40-grade like this or another Euro non-resource conserving grade
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It's API SP according to the label.
I put 5W-40 in my Trailblazer. It calls for 5W-30 but I was bored and wanted to try something more interesting.
https://images.oreillyauto.com/part...tZjRhOGI1ODA3YjJlLjcuMC4xNzI0MjgwODIzLjAuMC4w
https://images.oreillyauto.com/part...tZjRhOGI1ODA3YjJlLjcuMC4xNzI0MjgwODIzLjAuMC4w
Without commenting on the Chrysler application, I am not sure that there is a good rationale for that MDX to be running M1 0W40. The switch to 0W30 in the same brand is solid, and as has been stated elsewhere, the J Series Engine will run to 300,000 plus miles on the 0W20 that Honda recommends.
Do you have a source for that?
I've been using PPE 5w40 SP for over a year.
edit: NVM looks like Canada had it earlier than the States.
Ya. The PDS for Euro 5w40 is no longer available but their specifications still say "SN" for their euro line. Makes me think they're in the process of updating it.
https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/prod...FtZWRhcHAuc3RhdGljL3Blbm56b2lsLWVuLXVzLmh0bWw
Thats because it is a Honda....
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It is SP. It was actually SP before SP officially took hold.
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Ya. I was using their website as a guide. It still says SN.
https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/prod...FtZWRhcHAuc3RhdGljL3Blbm56b2lsLWVuLXVzLmh0bWw
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When I pull the PDS off their website I get "file not found".
https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/published/en-US/53f3f71c-3b48-4343-8221-04ca6b02d1a3.pdf
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It is Pennzoil. They always had these issues.
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