Texas Plans EV Chargers Every 50 Miles on Major Highways

The higher the demand with the same supply, the higher prices they can charge! Capitalism at work. And then when the entire grid collapses because of their negligence, they get away scot free because Texas won't ever fine a glorious capitalist company! And then history repeats itself over and over.


So what is your solution? Obviously you don’t want companies to make a profit on this venture
 
No term limits is WA state, and seems like nobody can get in that position to bring some logical reality back. WA state is actually more aggressive on making only new EV sales and no more new ICE starting in 2030 than CA, which is slated for 2035.

Another totally illogical thing going on here is they want to remove 4 of the largest dams that produce 25% of all the electricity ... yet, they want to ban the sale of ICE cars/trucks starting in 2030 to have way more EVs on the roads. So where is all the future needed electricity going to come from 8-10 years from now? I haven't heard any talk of building new nuclear power plants or any other plans to meet the electrical power demands 8-10 years from now. Don't these people who dream this stuff up have any actual technical experts advising them of the future pitfalls of their unrealistic goals?


Plus the news out today that they want to remove six dams on the Upper Snake river. That will have huge implications on electricity generation going forward.
 
Plus the news out today that they want to remove six dams on the Upper Snake river. That will have huge implications on electricity generation going forward.
Also water. Our politicians are planning to kill us all.
 
So what is your solution? Obviously you don’t want companies to make a profit on this venture
There used to be these things called “code” that specified acceptable minimums, building code falls into this category.

Code can’t easily be bypassed in a properly functioning government and drives decisions deemed to be necessary for the good of society under pain of lawsuits and loss of profit.

Yes they might make slightly less profit but they won’t devastate peoples lives every 8-10 years unless they like lawsuits and liability.

There was a time that even Texas could properly build and regulate power, go figure there is no limit to what we can’t do now days
 
There used to be these things called “code” that specified acceptable minimums, building code falls into this category.

Code can’t easily be bypassed in a properly functioning government and drives decisions deemed to be necessary for the good of society under pain of lawsuits and loss of profit.

Yes they might make slightly less profit but they won’t devastate peoples lives every 8-10 years unless they like lawsuits and liability.

There was a time that even Texas could properly build and regulate power, go figure there is no limit to what we can’t do now days


Then it is up to each and every one of us to demand better.
 
So what is your solution? Obviously you don’t want companies to make a profit on this venture
Utilities should not be for-profit enterprises. Period. I don't want them earning profit. I want them doing their job and providing reliable electricity to their customers. Utilities should be regulated like utilities and should have strict requirements to meet for redundancy, uptime, outage repair time, with regular audits where they are required to demonstrate that they have contingencies in place to prevent things like, for instance, cold weather, from bringing down literally the entire grid in the entire state.
 
Statistically your vehicles are outliers. I don't think I know anyone with cars that have accumulated 300K plus mileage that are in regular use. ...
My Mazda was in regular use at twice that mileage. My brother's Jetta was at over 300k, and his Avalon still is.
 
Yes, I have. If you know your vehicle and it’s upkeep there’s no reason.

Guess what happens to evs when their cooling systems fail? Guess what happens to batteries when they get hot?
The same thing when a gas engine cooling system fail? You either park on the side of the road calling a tow truck or you blow a head gasket / damage your battery?

Oh, and by the way, the motor and inverter are water cooled. Guess what also happens to low temperature cooling systems that don’t get warm enough to kill off bio growth, once the wrong inhibitors are used or none are added?? Much worse scenario there too with biofouling.
Dude, you use glycol based coolant for those motor and inverter, what is going to grow in glycol based cooling system and why would they use a "wrong inhibitors" from the factory?

If you are replacing it with the wrong coolant / plain water, it is just like you run your engine with plain water, you will destroy the engine.
 
Activies that serve no purpose and are extremely wasteful should be banned.
Be careful what you wish for. It starts with mining bitcoin then it will go to rolling coal and monster truck lift, then it will go to large SUVs, crew cabs, and then finally V8 muscle cars.

What's wrong with mining bitcoin vs browsing adult entertainment contents on internet? I'm not saying bitcoin is useful but we are all doing something stupid in humanity one way or another, who are we to judge each other? What about mining diamonds or physical gold from a mine? Those are mostly useless stuff that does not benefit humanity other than for greed and fashion. Should we ban them too?
 
Yes, there's no incentive in the Texas market to build reserve capacity that will seldom be used, because it is all deregulated. The equipment will never pay for itself. The entire concept of the Texas grid (and other deregulated grids) is that the market constituents constantly run the margin, as that's the most profitable, being barely able to meet demand; running on the ragged edge, with just enough capacity to meet demand peaks.

Of course when some of that capacity is offline for maintenance, and you can't depend on fickle wind gen, well, the results are pretty predictable. Nobody operating a grid outside of that type of system ascribes any capacity value to wind gen, because it has none. It's not dispatchable. Capacity is planned based on firm resources and then if wind displaces some of them, well, there you go, you saved some gas or coal. Texas actually plans on there being ~9GW of wind available during the summer, which is totally insane.

There's a reason the higher income a society get, the more regulation they tend to put out. This is typical across the globe.

The reason being, you want to build a society around something that is dependable, instead of everyone playing cowboy and gang in the wild west and nobody will build any infrastructure depending large business only to see things hit the fan.

I remember reading NXP (or another fab) lost like 100M worth of wafers due to the last power grid failure. Sure if most Texan residential customer do not want to pay for connecting to the national grid and winterize Texas grid, but if the trade off is to provide high paying jobs and bring a real tech industry there, maybe they need to do "something" about it, maybe some politicians would be "lobbied".

Or maybe they just have to build an extension to the national grid for those tech hubs so they can switch between national grid and Texas grid depending on the Mwh cost or if things are hitting the fan in Texas so they can bail on the Texan grid "on demand". Maybe everyone will build their business park / data center at the boundary of Texas grid so people can live on Texas grid and work in the national grid? There are many creative ways around it.
 
There's a reason the higher income a society get, the more regulation they tend to put out. This is typical across the globe.

The reason being, you want to build a society around something that is dependable, instead of everyone playing cowboy and gang in the wild west and nobody will build any infrastructure depending large business only to see things hit the fan.

I remember reading NXP (or another fab) lost like 100M worth of wafers due to the last power grid failure. Sure if most Texan residential customer do not want to pay for connecting to the national grid and winterize Texas grid, but if the trade off is to provide high paying jobs and bring a real tech industry there, maybe they need to do "something" about it, maybe some politicians would be "lobbied".

Or maybe they just have to build an extension to the national grid for those tech hubs so they can switch between national grid and Texas grid depending on the Mwh cost or if things are hitting the fan in Texas so they can bail on the Texan grid "on demand". Maybe everyone will build their business park / data center at the boundary of Texas grid so people can live on Texas grid and work in the national grid? There are many creative ways around it.
It's call FERC. If you're connected to the national grid, you have to follow FERC rules. Texas isn't connected so doesn't have to follow federal rules. You can't have it both ways. It's one or the other. They're the only state not connected to the national grid.

If you want your own reliable power, you can have your own power plant on site. I've seen that with businesses even in Massachusetts, generated a few megawatts to use on site but still hooked up to the local grid in case those power plants tripped and went off line for whatever reason. Still cost a lot to connect to the grid even if you don't use a single watt because they have to have generation on standby in case you need the power so you pay even though you might not use a single watt.
 
What's that suppose to mean?
It's a joke. For the cynical.

Don't get too cynical. The universe is random. Things don't have to happen. Predicting it isn't a well paying job. Can't really profit from your predictions.
 
Haters gonna hate.

Only place I’ve ever seen a bank of superchargers full is Houston…

Without storage (massive storage), every infrastructure will be seasonally full.

Thanksgiving will have flights "full" and airport crowds, ticket prices going all the way up. Same for the train ticket "going home" during Lunar New Year in China, same for highway traffic jam and gasoline price spike during holiday.

The same will happen on fast charger during holiday travel with EV.... Maybe if the trend becomes battery swap and there are a lot of old batteries being taken out only for holiday use, we will speed up the charging and swapping during the peak season, but otherwise price spike will happen and some people will travel around busy days like they did with flying.

I haven't seen people say they will never fly because they may have to pay a lot of money during peak travel season. I think most family may decide to buy 1 EV and at least 1 gasoline car so they can travel with it if they want to. Assuming the chargers can handle the peak with mandate fast charging only from 30-70% for 20 mins each time (giving you 160 miles range), you probably will be wasting 30 mins every 160 miles to find the next charger, for 1 week a year. This may be very annoying but it will not leave you stranded, and some people may not like that and decided to fly instead of driving.
 
It's call FERC. If you're connected to the national grid, you have to follow FERC rules. Texas isn't connected so doesn't have to follow federal rules. You can't have it both ways. It's one or the other. They're the only state not connected to the national grid.

If you want your own reliable power, you can have your own power plant on site. I've seen that with businesses even in Massachusetts, generated a few megawatts to use on site but still hooked up to the local grid in case those power plants tripped and went off line for whatever reason. Still cost a lot to connect to the grid even if you don't use a single watt because they have to have generation on standby in case you need the power so you pay even though you might not use a single watt.
Maybe that's the way to go with on site SOFC, or setup a business right at the boundary and have a "physical switch" to connect to either one based on the stability instead of feeding from one to another.

The problem though is natural gas / fuel may also be in trouble if they didn't winterize it, or got diverted to a power plant if they can't get enough. Again, it is a choice between paying for the infra to be a big reputable place to do business or a "you will be hit once in a while but it will be cheap otherwise" place to do business. They have to decide which one do they want to be.
 
Utilities should not be for-profit enterprises. Period. I don't want them earning profit. I want them doing their job and providing reliable electricity to their customers. Utilities should be regulated like utilities and should have strict requirements to meet for redundancy, uptime, outage repair time, with regular audits where they are required to demonstrate that they have contingencies in place to prevent things like, for instance, cold weather, from bringing down literally the entire grid in the entire state.
Devils advocate: they can be run as for profit enterprises, however should they fail to meet their obligation (providing safe, reliable power) they must pay their consumers. I think refunding the entire months usage would be fair in the case of what happened in Texas for instance. Otherwise as a paying customer the power company has no right to tell me to turn my thermostat up to some unreasonable temperature. Wishful thinking I know, but I think it would be a good incentive for them.
 
Yea-that was midway up the coast on a Holiday weekend. More charging stations are going in as stated above every where. You wouldnt have found a gas station there in 1901 either.
Back then you can't drive a car to many places either, not just because of fuel but because the roads are not build to automobile standard, only horses and sometimes not even a wagon can cross.
 
Devils advocate: they can be run as for profit enterprises, however should they fail to meet their obligation (providing safe, reliable power) they must pay their consumers. I think refunding the entire months usage would be fair in the case of what happened in Texas for instance. Otherwise as a paying customer the power company has no right to tell me to turn my thermostat up to some unreasonable temperature. Wishful thinking I know, but I think it would be a good incentive for them.
They will just declare bankruptcy like PG&E did, twice I think. If you don't let them get off some liability they will just cut off some community like during fire season and they know they will be sued to bankruptcy if a powerline touched a tree.
 
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Maybe that's the way to go with on site SOFC, or setup a business right at the boundary and have a "physical switch" to connect to either one based on the stability instead of feeding from one to another.

The problem though is natural gas / fuel may also be in trouble if they didn't winterize it, or got diverted to a power plant if they can't get enough. Again, it is a choice between paying for the infra to be a big reputable place to do business or a "you will be hit once in a while but it will be cheap otherwise" place to do business. They have to decide which one do they want to be.
I worked at a natural gas fired power plant years ago. It was also permitted to run oil. Had about 4 days worth of oil on site and of course tankers could always bring in additional oil if it had to run longer. We only ran it once as a test to make sure it worked. Other times when we got curtailed in the winter due to the shortage of natural gas in the cold, the plant always shut down, wasn't any need to switch to oil as we got the lowest rate in the winter so it was cheaper to just shut it down and the grid didn't need the power. The best rates were in the summer but you never got curtailed on gas during the summer because people weren't using natural gas to heat their homes in the summer. So yeah, you could easily design your plant to run on oil if you wanted to and get it permitted, but then that means you need those storage tanks and the oil to be on standby and they didn't want to pay to do that.
 
As I stated-the EVs are coming, much to chagrin of those who would rather drive with something that has 90% more moving parts than an EV.

Yup but not to worry pistons will be around a long while, and fear of whats new should fade pretty quick.

Don't worry, EVs are the soon to be new revenue source as more and more hit the roads. The "free ride" will end soon because nobody in the revenue department will let potential revenue slip through their greedy hands. 🤑

I've yet to ever get or be a part of anything transportation related that was a free ride, Im taxed on buying and running and on an on...

You are paying a piper in one form or another.

Nondedicated circuits anonymize loads to some extent if you want to go that way.

I can make electricity, I cant refine fuel from oil.

Having paid thousand of dollars and spent hours of my life in the last decades on " smog fees" (especially with a diesel in Cali) its be nice to be rid of that evil.
 
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