I hear ya, but there are a lot of people, myself included, that are tired of paying for someone else's free lunch. Everyone should either skate by free, or pay their fair share.
Texas bill that introduces $200 fee on EVs to fund roads just passed
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How about we do away with the gas tax and call it even, because getting taxed on money I already got taxed on is getting old.
I get your point, I pay more than the vast majority. And I have no deductions. Furthermore, I travel a lot, and am subject to the gas tax every state I purchase fuel in. Some states are clearly quite high.
However, that's what the standard deduction is for. To offset taxes you've paid elsewhere.
And back to the point about a $200 tax for EV's. I'm not at all sure that's the way to handle it. Chargers away from home can have a tax structure much like the gasoline/diesel tax, and home based use can also be easily integrated into the electric bill. Remember, there are a boatload of taxes and fees already tacked on to the power bill. It would not be difficult for "smart meters" to determine when an EV is charging.
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Similar here in IL. EV tags are about $100 more per year compared to ICE light vehicles.
Been that way for some time now.
But you are not winning here, you have to drive a 1984 Cavalier.
My late mom had a newer rendition and I drove it on two 700+ miles drives. It was a penalty box for sure.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2001-chevy-cavalier-2-door-blue-30k-miles.112989/
It's still running. My sister took it when mom passed as my niece totalled her truck and they needed another car while the claim was being sorted. So that pile of parts is still rolling along.
Still no fun to be inside, but it runs!
The emissions are just moved to the power plant. Someone is breathing the emissions as we are not 100% renewable.
They might be lower, but lets be honest and not suggest EVs are zero emissions.
Someone here has common sense People making the rules and laws sure doesn't have any!
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Make it fair across the board, I have no problem with that. I'm just not a fan of free lunches. I'll leave it at that before I get on a rant about penalizing people with good credit to subsidize people with bad credit so they can get a mortgage. Especially with banks failing, bad notes just what the banks need. SMH.
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It's just a matter of time until all 50 states figure out a way to make up for the lost gasoline tax revenue from EV's.
And knowing the history of California mandates I suspect what they will do here is require any EV sold in California to have some sort of telemetry that transmits your mileage to Sacramento so they can add some extra tax to your registration renewal fees when they come due. And I also suspect that implementing such a system will cost more than the revenue that is collected because that would be typical.
And knowing the history of California mandates I suspect what they will do here is require any EV sold in California to have some sort of telemetry that transmits your mileage to Sacramento so they can add some extra tax to your registration renewal fees when they come due. And I also suspect that implementing such a system will cost more than the revenue that is collected because that would be typical.
Not happy because a 2020 Toyota Camry has roughly the same gas mileage on highway compare to mine 2011 hybrid, but it doesn't have to pay the fee. There ought to be a better way for this.
Point missed completely. Mpg equivalent is 120 which is near nothing even if you’re burning coal, but you’re sure right in suggesting I’m saying the facts don’t matter.
I can see what direction this thread is going and I’ve made several points of which this fee at its current rate is ridiculous and the fact another has just mentioned of the Camry Hybrid having to pay a similar fee which a coworker of mine recently mentioned to me. This obviously isn’t a “make it fair” tax and is a punitive charge as a political attack from those in government that disagree with EVs.
Yes it’s been said that the weight of the EV is the reason for the fee. That’s also asinine as mentioned with most Teslas being under 4,500lbs which almost no truck or SUV can claim, nor most larger crossovers, but by default of this fee will have the EV buyer paying well more than the the truck buyer for this tax.
So yeah, let’s be honest.
Yeah let’s go the other direction and penalize an EV owner then. At least they can afford it!
I promise I’m not attacking, I’m just so amazed at how we got from the founding of the country over taxation issues to the state that some are arguing one group paying more to make it fair instead of rallying against the tax in the first place. “We have to pay for the roads!” Ok great, we already pay income taxes at the Federal level, most states as well, sales tax, property tax, this tax, that tax. Now it’s patriotic to pay our tax. Let’s pay it by allowing the state to track our miles to make the EV tax fair. That’s the American way!Yeah I’ve got to bow out of this thread. I’m a step or two from getting myself in trouble here again.
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Be careful what you wish for.Yeah let’s go the other direction and penalize an EV owner then. At least they can afford it!
That’s what was suggested in this thread. All I’m saying is the US has become the England we originally separated from.Be careful what you wish for.
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This is accounted for if the tax is based on electricity consumption in kWh.
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That would only "work" if the solar panels weren't grid-tied. As long as the EV is able to communicate with a smart meter, its consumption could be adequately accounted for and taxed accordingly.
Even if the vehicle was charged off-grid, the next time it was grid connected, that discrepancy could be recorded and the fee added to the owner's electricity bill.
Oh for sure. All states have done is the flat overzealous fee so far though.
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Bingo. The EV already communicates with the charge stations to negotiate the charge, it would be very easy to integrate/implement consumption communication to a smart meter as part of that for those that charge at home. For commercial infrastructure, they already know how many kWh you used, so that would just be integrated into the fee you are already paying.
Not happy because a 2020 Toyota Camry has roughly the same gas mileage on highway compare to mine 2011 hybrid, but it doesn't have to pay the fee. There ought to be a better way for this.
Actions have consequences.
You purchased a hybrid.
Why did you do that? To use less fuel?
So part of using less fuel, is that you aren't subsiding your use of the roadways.
So if you continue unchecked, you are gaming the system, and make it unfair to those of us who pay the going rate with every gallon of fuel we purchase.
So you have a choice to make. You either ante up the fee or get rid of the hybrid.
Can't have it both ways. There is no perfect system.
I'd rather see this than a road tax on electricity, or a pay per mile tax.
You have options, and a choice to make.
Consequences, and all that.
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