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Tesla Q1 sales flatlining, as I have predicted
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Nope. You posted:
"In 2021, Tesla sold 162,000 and in 2022 sold 142,000 (note the decrease in sales). As a %, about 1 in 5 Tesla Ys sold on planet earth, were in about 4 zip codes in California. Let me repeat that. FOUR ZIP CODES IN CALIFORNIA PURCHASED 1 IN 5 TESLA MODEL Ys on Planet Earth."
The zip codes for Model Y sales are found in many countries in the world.
Maybe this will help.
Oh, I am just so humiliated and mortified that I don't keep minute by minute tabs on the costs of a Model Y. I've just looked it up. They're effectively $60,000 cars within the ballpark. If you're attempting to score juvenile points it's not working on anyone other than EV fanatics. I'll note most of them on this forum, are from - big surprise - California.
Sorry but on top of now making a 3rd personal attack earlier in this thread, now you're just being purposefully argumentative and obtuse.
I was clearly responding to the post that said there were some 750k Tesla Ys sold and citing an article that showed that about 20%, something like 140k, were sold In California. Apparently you missed the point that of all the Ys sold in the world last year, 20% of them were in 4 CA zipcodes. You claim to be able to identify patterns. Please apply your skills to that pattern to find a conclusion. I'm too busy to be bothered with two Californian's arguing about how amazing EVs are. Beating others over the head with EV religion is just exhausting and I'm over it today.
I'm not an EV owner myself, but heck, I try to be as accurate and fair as possible.....you might want to research a little harder before posting.
Which I don't understand. Every time Tesla "updates" something it seems like they make the vehicle more disposable, not more environmentally friendly. The new batteries being integrated into the structure are non-serviceable and essentially make the new model y a write-off in a small accident according to Sandy Munro. This is great for racecars but not mass production vehicles. The market shouldn't put up with this. At least Ford stellantis and Polestar vowed to make their ev's serviceable.
In fact, the oil and gas “subsidies” they refer to are small compared to the renewable energy industry. In addition, most of them are widely claimed tax deductions available to many other industries.
Gov. Newsom Says California Subsidies Powered Tesla’s Success
Leaders of the Golden State have long sought credit for the success of the world's largest electric-car manufacturer, and now Newsom is suggesting the state's incentives are responsible for the emergence of Tesla.
Bare base model Y: $54,000 + sales tax and registration @ ~10% overall, $60,000.
Fully loaded model Y: $67,000 + sales tax and registration @ ~10% overall, $75,000.
Tesla home charging unit is nearly $500 + probably I'd estimate $1-3,000 for an electrician to come install it. My estimates are within reason for a civil discussion. Not the endless name calling and insinuations from the EV fanboys.
I'm not a Tesla employee designing sales brochures. I figured we're adults having a macro-micro economics discussion, not reviewing a to-the-penny sales price brochure discussion on every Tesla model...
Interesting, and if that's the case not very green. I have very high hopes for Toyota, if anyone is going to get it right it will be them.
A discussion about models, markets and cost is pretty moot when you don't get the , model, market or cost right.
I have more and cooler ICE stuff than anyone in this thread and I dont have an electric car so "fanatic" doesn't apply.
Im simply not swayed by your negativity to the brand or segement, and have seen nothing compelling from you that changes my mind.
Guys often like to talk with gusto about stock they never bought or shorted, or vehicles they've never driven, and thats ok, but it's not really informative or impactful in any way.
I believe my midwest farming background contributes to my thoughts and feeling as much as my current location.
Thats ok we likely agree on far more than we disagree on if we were at a campfire.
Forums are funny, on one Im a left wing fanatic, on another a rightwing neocon.
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US Sales figures year over year according to...
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-us-sales-figures/
According to this, hardly flatlining.
below from GOODCARBADCAR:
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-us-sales-figures/
According to this, hardly flatlining.
below from GOODCARBADCAR:
TESLA ANNUAL SALES AND MARKET SHARE
Below we have a table that shows Tesla sales volumes for the US automotive market. This data captures all Tesla car sales. We found a great data source in Tesla directly who publishes sales data for the U.S market periodically. We were able to aggregate the data into the below format.
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No one said EVs were amazing in this thread. Do I like EVs? Some yes and some no; just like any cars.
I am not being argumentative; I am presenting numbers that show your analysis is wrong.
No one should doubt that a lot of Model Ys are sold in CA. We are a huge economy and a huge car market. CA is a huge target market for all luxury and premium cars due to the economic wealth. And people buying cars they cannot afford... Ha!
Now, the better question, to me anyway, is the trend in other places. Your point of growth by country/state/zip code would be an interesting topic. I understand Europe is seeing substantial growth, especially in the Model Y (and they are quickly ramping at Giga Berlin). Tesla sold more cars in the US Q1 than BMW and MBZ combined, and more than VW. That's taking serious US market share in the premium category as well as the mid price category. Of course Shanghai is huge, 1 in 3 cars in the world is sold in China, I believe.
The next episode will be Giga Monterrey. Apparantly they will build the next gen, everyman's Tesla. If they can pull off a $25K "mini Model Y", watch out world. That puts them square in the Corolla Civic market. Monterrey has proximity to TX and an educated work force. Can this car open up the (almost untouched) Latin America market?
Again, I do not say this as a Tesla fanboi or whatever some call it. This is a business analysis of the current vehicle market.
If I could get may hands on a boatload of discrete sales data, I would author an interactive solution that would answer our questions and perhaps show some interesting information. But I only see high level data. Far too high level to do serious analysis. The answers are found far deeper.
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Lots of people claim the batteries arent serviceable, but there are plenty of third parties that still do.
Bjorn Nylands site shows what a typical tesla in a cold climates goes through.
Sandy Still backs tesla as the leader and one to beat.
The insurance companies will decide what if any penalty is due here.
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Newsom says about anything to pimp California and lost Tesla to Texas.
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Nope.
To your point here, I agree fully. I think the German auto makers really took their wealthy customer base for granted in a big way. Those overly complicated, expensive and hard-to-maintain, cars depreciated so rapidly and I can only guess the owners were tired of $20,000 engine overhaul and $10,000 shock replacement bills, and losing 90% of their value on the 2nd hand market in a decade. I know I would be livid if my SL500 I purchased for $120k in 1995, was only worth $8k by 2010. Or my A8 was basically scrap value when the timing chain predictably goes at year 12. I think these luxury buyers really loved the high quality at first but then this market became so well known for getting rid of the car when the warranty was over. It's no wonder Tesla has grabbed this market share.
To Tesla's credit, if they can keep their battery replacements reasonable at year 12 when they fail, they might hold value very well for that class of buyer.
Goodcarbadcar is a great resource.
I'm pretty sure they will all be burned to the ground by then. Ha!
So 1 in every 20 sold is an EV. I doubt those huge vehicle and solar panel incentives have any correlation.
But, heck stop the production of ICE immediately! EV is taking over the world.
In my case, the solar panels incentified my EV purchase. I did the solar project in March 2018 with an idea that I might buy an EV some day. Then I bought the Model 3 in Dec as a gift to wifey. Pretty much out of the blue. I could not even test drive it as I had had surgery and could not drive at that time.So 1 in every 20 sold is an EV. I doubt those huge vehicle and solar panel incentives have any correlation.
But, heck stop the production of ICE immediately! EV is taking over the world.
Shoulda bought stock... Sheesh. Model 3, GS350, TSX. Too many cars to warsh.
