Agreed. I'll be the first to say that ALL the auto makers have been suffering relatively bad sales and I said on page 1 that Tesla has the "best" sales of the auto makers. I think I have been very pragmatic, realistic, and fair regarding Tesla.
You continue to grossly misrepresent my position. I have expressly stated they sold the most cars in Q1, a record number. But the % growth has declined. Greater sales, absolutely. But at a radically slower rate IN SPITE OF THE PRICE CUT 1-TRICK PONY AND THE SOON EXPIRING TAX REBATES.
Say things that make sense and that would be a good start.
I feel like that's why they finally put the LPH battery in the Model Y, it's cost to manufacture is lower and has a bit less capacity and made it possible to hit that number. That's why I also screen shot the website and added it above for his benefit.
I have to work with the sensibilities of people who are obcessed with EVs, so it's not an easy task. Speaking of making sense... Folks who live in Wisconsin, and see 4 EVs and think they're taking over the nation, for instance. wink back at ya.Say things that make sense and that would be a good start.
It's a twofer - he hit that number and makes money on the car.
lol, 4 on my road alone which seems nuts. Anyway I went from seeing 1 EV a week last year to if I don't see multiple in a day it's odd.
They made a lower model with less range for a better price. That’s a bad thing how?
Point being, if it's not clear, a $7500 rebate now represents nearly twice what it did when I was thinking these were higher priced cars. Further, Tesla has less downward room to keep lowering pricing, lowering margins.
I understood your point. You are saying, correctly, that Q1 vs Q1 over time shows growth in pure numbers but diminishing as a growth ratio Q1 vs Q1. Completely true.
We can hope. Yet they’re opening a plant in Monterrey Mexico, no? And selling cars with Chinese licensed cell designs?
None in particular. My large problem I have likely not been clear about is not really the EVs. It is the idea that the corrupt US gov has decided they can and will tell us all what we can and can not purchase in the future. Its like , "how would many of us react if they came out and passed laws etc... "you will now have to purchase one brand and one brand only of Iphones, auto tires, shoes, computers all because we know better than thou! It is easy for me (maybe others too) to forget TESLA is an entire , complete different type animal/company than most inventors/manufacturers. Matter of fact I like just about everything I read about Elon. People like him dont come around very often. Hopefully he will allow his passion for creating outpace some passions for outrageous riches. Thus far he does seem to take money and reinvest it in himself / inventions / products. People may be very surprised if they read anything about the early years of Henry Ford and his Ford Motor Company. He was quite the inventor and quite a good man in the begining. He made it 100% clear to his employees in the begining he was not interested in making a product so expensive only the elite could have one. He wanted to and made his very first cars priced in a way so even his own employees could afford to purchase them. Those are very strong convictions that many business leaders would be incapable of accomplishing. Ford not only pulled it off but he also helped auto support companies (like Holley carbs) to become successful. Most of them became ultra rich while not overwhelmed in greed like almost all CEOs and business owners are these days. I would love to see some automobile spread sheets that document the costs of all involved in making a vehicle (say the new Ford Bronco or Chevy Volt or the even wilder to me $60,000 to $90,000 pick up trucks) and see how much it really costs the company vs what they expect Joe consumer to fork out for these new vehicles. If I go back and track the vehicles I have purchased since the late 70s and usually do not buy another on average for at least 10-12 years they almost always seem to double or more in prices.... Does not seem real/true that all of the costs involved could cause the prices to climb that fast - mostly outpacing the entire domestic + world's economies...? Does it? Especially when near all of the older established auto manufacturing support/parts suppliers domestically have been stomped out of existence by all of the knock off / over seas cheap companies that took over and supposedly to help manufacturers save money they could not do domestically. So that is another reason to ask "how/why prices of cars just continue the climb to madness levels? Why do we see none of all these cost savings? Savings from foreign and just about abussive slave labor in place of the domestic workers all these companies claimed they were forced to turn their backs on and relocate? How do prices keep sky rocketing instead of settling or slowing down?
Here's a list; not all information updated. Monterrey has proximety to TX, is affluent, has a large educated workforce. Will likely build the everyman's Model Y. There is an untapped Latin Central market to open.
We live in a world economy and a world market. Manufacturers are in the business of making money. In addition to financial considerations, market penetration plays a role in factory locations.
I have said before that a key reason I bought the Model 3 in Dec 2018 was the reopening of the ex GM ex NUMMI plant in Fremont, right up the road. When NUMMI shuttered, many lost homes and the local economy suffered. Parts suppliers, restaurants, many businesses were affected. Today more than 20K people work there, far more than NUMMI ever had. I choose to support this with more than lip service.
