This is what an informed customer of any vehicle should be looking at. Unfortunately alot of purchases are emotional, whether it be internal desires or external influences. If the tool fits the job. If you live without a dedicated place to charge, EVs are not the answer. If most of your commute is city driving, AND you have a dedicated home charger, ICE are not the answer.
Tesla Model Y LR Electricity Costs vs. Gas
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All a matter of preference.
Backwards? I dont think so, lets call it matter of preference
Title "Tesla Y gas vs electricity cost" I think opened this up as a GAS vs Electric cost comparison.
Unless I am missing something what is the point of a vehicle that cost upwards of $20,000 more then a gas vehicle? You will never make that up in price.
Tesla has one SUV priced far and away higher than the average automobile purchase in the USA and they are competitive with the world?
No, granted competitive in the EV world but still a mere pittance in the SUV world. Without question if you are looking for a performance car that changes everything with the Tesla being superior but then one shouldn't be comparing Electric and Gas cost.
Just two short years and the world is going to be awash in SUV EVs.
The much famed Tesla profit margins are starting to be questioned on Wall Street too, they have taken a significant hit just the last few months of around 10% (Barrons 10/24/22) granted maybe that is just an aberration. What will happen when every automaker in the world is turning out the same product?
What do I or anyone know without a Crystal ball to look out a couple years. Their solar products are doing well and is a benefit I guess.
Lots of speculation but if your on the right side of it big reward, as of right now, many despondent shareholders that paid upwards of 15 to100% more per share than it is now.
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Going by pure numbers, any expensive car is a foolish purchase. Buy a RAV4 or CR-V. Used is even better. Keep it forever.
People don't buy that way. No one needs a Tesla, Porsche, Corvette, BMW, you name it. What is the purpose of a $120K Bro Dozer?
The Model Y is pretty darn competitive; look at the numbers. By the way, I am not buying a Model Y, even though it makes more practical sense than the Model 3. Easier to get in and out, vision, utility. Maybe even better resale?
I agree, if your in the "crowd" of cars mentioned above then Tesla is in the running. Think you may agree in that price class you shouldn't be worried about the gas vs electric cost though.
They will have to cut the price 20k to be mainstream USA and their competition is coming out with that product.
Tesla says it has plans for a 30k vehicle also so maybe they can hold their own, the question is will they be able to hold their profit margin?
Im not someone who believes everything the media says (not even close), I do like to read and form my thoughts though.
(haven't you noticed?
)Tesla is featured in a Barrons article today (10/24/22) Feeling is hang in there for the next 3 months, which means absolutely nothing except to the writer of the story and his/her feelings but might reflect the streets view.
I think the stock will go through the roof if the government steps in and prevents him from buying Twitter but that is a remote wild card.
What would you have to spend to equal the performance of a model Y LR in an ice vehicle, and what would it cost to drive that vehicle?
BEV gives you sports car if not super car level performance at Hybrid camry or prius costs to drive per mile.
In terms of backward you insinuate tesla has to change to meet a threat thats still undelivered 12 years in the making, when it's the others guy that need to get it together to compete with tesla.
The old guard went bankrupt, or needed bailouts selling ICE - they haven't yet made a nickel selling BEV's.
They talk a lot, but we haven't seen the products, or the margin they make on them.
The new stuff we have seen has been underwhelming.
Why cant a brand new mach-e travel 1000 miles as fast an old model 3?
Why did chevy slow down the charge rate on all the bolts?
Why cant a brand new lightning with a bigger battery charge as fast an older model 3?
I agree the world will be awash in BEV's in 2 years, but they will still be largely unknowns in terms of total cost of ownership, battery degradation, long distance travel time and a host of other factors.
Telsa isnt even supposed to exist, yet they are the largest auto company on the planet valuation wise.
This is key, we are in two different camps.
Driving an SUV I and I think many Americans will care less going from 3 to 60 in 7.1 seconds vs the Y in 3.3 at a cost of over $20,000 more for the Y, never mind the possible inconvenience of fueling the Y
Im not debating the performance
What product is this competition?
What will you REALLY pay for it when it arrives? The 35K volt was close to 50K in ADM for years.
What is its range?
What is its battery degradation over 100K miles.
How fast will it charge?
What will its safety rating be?
How often will it have to go back to a dealer? Vs get OTA updates?
Volkswagen couldn't do it.
Ford couldn't do it.
Audi couldn't do it.
BMW couldnt do it.
I would go in circles with you all day long*LOL* You keep talking the past. Im talking the future.
The LR Y wont do a 3 second 0-60. Its a 5 second ride which is still really fast.
Convenience is wholly the judgement of the user.
For a guy that parks at home and rarely road trips a BEV is likely FAR more convenient than any ice car.
For a guy that only road trips its likely WAY less convenient.
Thats what the other guys said who failed to produce a viable competitor.
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I would argue BMW did do it, based on my experience with the i4 M50, it's a phenomenal first effort for BMW with a performance EV sedan.
I like that car.
They came close in everything but price. I saw 10K ADM at the local dealers.
We dont know how it will age though. If its anything like my BMW ICE cars it will be very expensive to maintain.
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We don't have ADM here IIRC, so it's very price competitive with the Y and 3.
Absolutely, we don't know how it will age, and odds are it will age like a bimmer, lol. That said, it drives like a bimmer, and that's a very rewarding experience.
Weird, I do a search of Tesla Y 0 to 60 time and keep coming up with 3.3
But I do believe you!
Now if you excuse me, I got a house to pack up! Before my wife gets pissed at me for not helping!
Having a home built near the coast, wont be done until Feb at the latest (I hope)
Put our house on the market and because of the "media" I thought it might take 30 days or so to sell. Im very experienced with real estate.
2.5 days after going on the market, multiple offers, we signed contracts and have to be out of here in 3 weeks, got a short term apartment, but inbetween all this Im having a heart procedure done, if all goes well Ill be out the same day. Cardiac Ablation but wont be able to lift anything at risk of popping the plugs that they plug up my veins with when they are done. *LOL*
Have a good day.
The performance version can break into the 3's but the LR version wont.
Congrats on your sale and best of luck on your procedure.
It would be far more boring here without you so go ace that and get get back to us as soon as you can.
thanks!
If you dont "hear" from me after Nov 7th the day of procedure, something went wrong.
Im told I am not a severe case by any means, why I wont have to stay over night, even though its an hours long procedure. I am actually electing to have this done so I dont have to take what is considered a dangerous drug just to stop PVCs. (flecainide)
https://www.healthline.com/health/drugs/flecainide-oral-tablet#important-warnings
Because my heart is strong they gave me this drug Dr told me he gives it to athletes but which is not really recommended for PVCs and can be deadly. There is a warning on drugs.com about it. So not getting any younger I rather just get the "short circuit" fixed and not have to take a drug for it.
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Couple points... Tesla has proven to know how to build cars faster and lower cost than other car makers. Their lofty margins, like 27 to 30% or even better) is leverage. If they chose to do so, they could cut prices, still make a profit, and put a choke hold on the competition. Musk has said he will only make the $25K car if it meets Tesla's margin requirements.I agree, if your in the "crowd" of cars mentioned above then Tesla is in the running. Think you may agree in that price class you shouldn't be worried about the gas vs electric cost though.
They will have to cut the price 20k to be mainstream USA and their competition is coming out with that product.
Tesla says it has plans for a 30k vehicle also so maybe they can hold their own, the question is will they be able to hold their profit margin?
Im not someone who believes everything the media says (not even close), I do like to read and form my thoughts though.
(haven't you noticed?
Tesla is featured in a Barrons article today (10/24/22) Feeling is hang in there for the next 3 months, which means absolutely nothing except to the writer of the story and his/her feelings but might reflect the streets view.
I think the stock will go through the roof if the government steps in and prevents him from buying Twitter but that is a remote wild card.
Compare that to GM, Ford, BMW, etc who lose money on some or even every EV they sell. Unless they get better, far better, their EV business just migh put them outta business.
Business is a numbers game; it's just arithmetic. I know you like numbers. These are the numbers.
The i3 loses like 60% of its value in 3 years, or something like that. Obviously not a performance car, but there were tons of 'em around here a few years back. I had a coworker friend who loved his i3.
I would be curious about the profitability of the i4. I think BMW does not break out their EV business numbers.
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Yeah, that 60% is standard for the brand IIRC, it's not correlated with the fact it's an EV. Many BMW's are leased, so I think that's a big factor.