Tesla Model Y LR Electricity Costs vs. Gas

The Critic said:
The lifespan of EV's is probably akin to an iPad. Longer than an iPhone, but really a 5-10 year item. I don't see them being viable for longer road trips after year 5 given that folks are already seeing 10-12% range loss after a few years. I think a lot of people still forget that time kills batteries more so than mileage, so these 100K reviews after 2 years are not of much value. The issue is that these cars are only good for 150-200 miles between charges as-is (10-80% SOC usage) under "normal speeds," so a loss of 10-20% can make them go from being "ok" long trip cars to intolerable.

Tesla only warranties for 70% of capacity after 8/100K, after all.
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Some degrade substantially quicker.

Batteries get it from all sides -time and cycles/ cycle depth.

I'm pretty confident that a replacement 4680 pack will come down substantially 5 years from now everything else from everyone else - not so sure, but Im not going to save much starting with a 50-60K car.
 
UncleDave said:
Some degrade substantially quicker.

Batteries get it from all sides -time and cycles/ cycle depth.

I'm pretty confident that a replacement 4680 pack will come down substantially 5 years from now everything else from everyone else - not so sure, but Im not going to save much starting with a 50-60K car.
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Buddy just ran over some debris on 880 in his 21 or 22 Model 3 Performance. Pack was damaged. Between the undercarriage repairs and battery replacement, I think the bill was over $40K.
 
The Critic said:
Buddy just ran over some debris on 880 in his 21 or 22 Model 3 Performance. Pack was damaged. Between the undercarriage repairs and battery replacement, I think the bill was over $40K.
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yeesh...
yeah not gonna be cheap for a while.
 
UncleDave said:
They still need oil, fluids, alignments, shock, wipers, brakes, radiators, and more....they will wear out suspensions & bushings like crazy.

People buying into some "no maintenance" fantasy need to put the pipe down.
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Why would they wear that stuff out "like crazy"?
 
The Critic said:
The lifespan of EV's is probably akin to an iPad. Longer than an iPhone, but really a 5-10 year item. I don't see them being viable for longer road trips after year 5 given that folks are already seeing 10-12% range loss after a few years. I think a lot of people still forget that time kills batteries more so than mileage, so these 100K reviews after 2 years are not of much value. The issue is that these cars are only good for 150-200 miles between charges as-is (10-80% SOC usage) under "normal speeds," so a loss of 10-20% can make them go from being "ok" long trip cars to intolerable.

Tesla only warranties for 70% of capacity after 8/100K, after all.
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Who is seeing 10-12% "after a few years"?
 
Ws6 said:
I guess trucks and SUV's go through suspension parts like crazy. Who knew? Probably why the Landcruiser and 4Runner are known for always needing new suspensions.
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If you use them like trucks and tow vehicles they do.
Guys that drive around unloaded, never tow, haul or use full travel off-road can have oem parts go a long time.
My half ton is on its third set of shocks at 110K because I tow heavy with it.
 
UncleDave said:
If you use them like trucks and tow vehicles they do.
Guys that drive around unloaded, never tow, haul or use full travel off-road can have oem parts go a long time.
My half ton is on its third set of shocks at 110K because I tow heavy with it.
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Impossible. Even unladen they are near 5000#! They MUST go through suspension components! Surely if a 4500# BEV destroys suspension then all 1/2 ton pickups do, too!
 
Ws6 said:
Impossible. Even unladen they are near 5000#! They MUST go through suspension components! Surely if a 4500# BEV destroys suspension then all 1/2 ton pickups do, too!
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The half ton is designed to haul and tow much more than a passenger vehicle.

Check out the tesla forums - wearing out suspensions is a thing.
 
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UncleDave said:
The half ton is designed to haul and tow much more than a passenger vehicle.

Check out the tesla forums - wearing out suspensions is a thing.
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Check the Dodge forums, they have suspension issues, too. Especially their trucks. Doesn't mean all trucks have horrible suspensions. Tesla is known to use the lowest quality parts possible, minus inverters, batteries, and motors.
 
Ws6 said:
Check the Dodge forums, they have suspension issues, too. Especially their trucks. Doesn't mean all trucks have horrible suspensions. Tesla is known to use the lowest quality parts possible, minus inverters, batteries, and motors.
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Sure any one can have problems. Never said all trucks have horrible suspensions.

So you disagree BEV's are going to wear out suspensions quicker than Ice?
 
UncleDave said:
Sure any one can have problems. Never said all trucks have horrible suspensions.

So you disagree BEV's are going to wear out suspensions quicker than Ice?
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Yes. You build the suspension to support the vehicle. BEV is 4300-4800# in my case. This is far from special or straining or whatever.

Now tires on the other hand, with that instant torque...those will wear faster.
 
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The Critic said:
My PG&E off-peak rate is 42 cents per kWh.

Tesla Model Y LR efficiency is 26.2 kWh/100 miles according to this review.

At the time of this post, 87 octane is $5.79/gal at my local Costco.

So, the cost to power a Model Y is about the same as driving a 2023 Prius or Camry Hybrid. Is it inexpensive compared to other things? Sure. But it is definitely not "stupid cheap" like some EV owners would like you to believe.
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What's stupid expensive is your power rates. OMG! I pay 9.6765 cents per kWh plus a $22.50 (fixed) power availability charge. At my usage rate for this month's bill (usage Aug 16-Sept 15, paid Oct 4th) that works out to another .02391 cents per kWh. Bill was $113.00 even.

The amount of power I use here would cost over $400 on your utility rates. I hope you live somewhere mild like the Bay Area. Running the A/C in an inland region of California where it gets hot would be PAINFUL in the summertime.
 
Brons2 said:
The amount of power I use here would cost over $400 on your utility rates. I hope you live somewhere mild like the Bay Area. Running the A/C in an inland region of California where it gets hot would be PAINFUL in the summertime.
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$6-$800 isn't exactly unheard of for a larger home during the summer months here
 
Brons2 said:
What's stupid expensive is your power rates. OMG! I pay 9.6765 cents per kWh plus a $22.50 (fixed) power availability charge. At my usage rate for this month's bill (usage Aug 16-Sept 15, paid Oct 4th) that works out to another .02391 cents per kWh. Bill was $113.00 even.

The amount of power I use here would cost over $400 on your utility rates. I hope you live somewhere mild like the Bay Area. Running the A/C in an inland region of California where it gets hot would be PAINFUL in the summertime.
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My PG&E bill just came in (electricity and gas). -$12.87. I love my solar.
 
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