Tesla is struggling to turn Cybertruck reservations into buyers.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/06/riv...arnings-expectations-following-cost-cuts.html

"Through the first six months of the year Rivian produced about 23,600 vehicles ..."

"Rivian on Tuesday reaffirmed its 2024 guidance of 57,000 total units of production ..."

Looks like Rivian is selling about 1100 cars a week. I question how "popular" they are
I am just pontificating here-Rivains are right sized for people who only need a truck for "truck use" every once in a while. They have a footprint that fits in to double car garage. They are nimble enough the be driven by the spouse.

Honda Ridgeline is selling 4,000/month
Hyundai Santa Fe is selling 3,000/month

So-yea.
 
.if Elon Musk made an ICE sedan I'm sure it would be better than what the domestics are giving us
And I think Roy Rogers could beat Batman in a street fight.

So, from this read, it appears people put down deposits for a ~$38,000 etruck 4 years ago.... which the company isn't building.
People paying for the premium version (Foundation) aren't getting what they were promised (autonomous driving?).
The vehicles are shoddily built, and the helmsman of the company appears to do nothing but lie.
Plus, this is happening in a fraction of an industry which is absent any standardization. Pricey batteries could be a study on their own.
What is this if not a clown act?

How can mentally superior beings (like BITOGers) appear to be talking seriously about this exploding cesspool? I do get that said cesspools and train wrecks are hard to turn away from.

Just make a timeline with all the exaggerations, missed deadlines, weird personal quotes and defect tallies and leave it at that.

If something usable rolls off an assembly line of theirs, you'll know about it.

People should look at the EVs which are successful or useful.
 
This is a valid issue. Many chargers are not set up to handle a large trailer behind the charger itself. With that being said-it takes 10 minutes to drop a trailer-and the same to hitch it back up. One gets good at it. However-is there a place to park the trailer when one is recharging? There may not be. I pull frequently-and eating and fuel establishments are chosen by parking and access.
I hear ya on that, if I'm towing the camper and get off an interstate exit, I'm not shopping for gas by price, I'm looking for the place I can get the truck/trailer combo in and out of.
 
I don’t think the Cybertruck loyalists expected Ford and Chevy to have their EV trucks out so soon. Many were expecting to take delivery of the Cybertruck and flip it for a tidy profit.
The first few did. After February/ early March used prices at Manheim dropped $40k overnight according to John Clay Wolf who owns the online used car site with the catchy slogan sellmethevin or something. One Porshe dealership bought a foundation series off a guy for 200k they re-listed it for $399,000 which is Ferrari Money. I hope that Dealership manager was kicked to the curb. If I were the owner of that Dealership I would have been livid.
 
Cyberbeast is supposed to be the 1K HP/1300TQ version for next year? Quad motor
Something like that. I can't remember if it was supposed to be a tri or quad motor. I think the price unless something changes will be similar, but I do know the Foundation is just the midrange dual motor with a bunch of stuff included that would cost extra on any other model. Then again FSD is now only $8k, so I don't know that there's any value in the $20k package really other than being one of the first. It doesn't seem like that's aging well though. You can only sell so many $100k vehicles which is twice of what most put their deposit down for 5 years ago.
 
I couldn't image actually towing with an EV...what do you do...unhook from the trailer each time to recharge?
https://www.canamrv.ca/blog/post/tesla-towing-london-to-colorado-and-back/
This guy has done it, but he's not the average "dumb" consumer either.
Step 1. Making sure you have fast chargers on your likely routes
Step 2. getting the most aerodynamic trailer you can.
Step 3. driving slower to maximize range if you need to.

Dragging around a big box/parachute of a trailer at 85mph isn't going to work well for a long trip...
 
I presume many people put there deposit in thinking they could flip the truck for a profit immediately. I imagine those days are over ?
It's definitely done now if that was the plan. That's usually pretty short term early stuff anyway on models that aren't destined to be low production. It seems the floor fell out a bit faster on this one than some of them probably anticipated.
 
Not to defended H/K or any other foreign brand but to be fair, lots of folks know of major engine issues in American pickup vehicles that do not have a class action against them (something recent that came up in this forum, the Ford V10 and hemi tick?). There are class action lawsuits against them for transmissions though.
The "hemi tick" is just a leaking exhaust manifold the vast majority of the time. The RAM also benefits from using the best transmission on the planet (the ZF 8HP).

All three marques have had problems with lifter durability in their pushrod engines (though FCA's was supposedly fixed ~2018), but that's often well outside of warranty at that point. We've lost 3x HEMI's in our fleet at work due to lifter failure, all three were at around the 200,000 mile or beyond mark and the trucks were 2011 vintage (and one 2014).
 
And I think Roy Rogers could beat Batman in a street fight.

So, from this read, it appears people put down deposits for a ~$38,000 etruck 4 years ago.... which the company isn't building.
People paying for the premium version (Foundation) aren't getting what they were promised (autonomous driving?).
The vehicles are shoddily built, and the helmsman of the company appears to do nothing but lie.
Plus, this is happening in a fraction of an industry which is absent any standardization. Pricey batteries could be a study on their own.
What is this if not a clown act?

How can mentally superior beings (like BITOGers) appear to be talking seriously about this exploding cesspool? I do get that said cesspools and train wrecks are hard to turn away from.

Just make a timeline with all the exaggerations, missed deadlines, weird personal quotes and defect tallies and leave it at that.

If something usable rolls off an assembly line of theirs, you'll know about it.

People should look at the EVs which are successful or useful.
I don't pay attention to what Musk promises on his electric vehicles because I have ZERO interest in owning one.
I do believe that if Musk had the same political views as Robert DeNiro there would be much fewer complaints about him.
 
I am just pontificating here-Rivains are right sized for people who only need a truck for "truck use" every once in a while. They have a footprint that fits in to double car garage. They are nimble enough the be driven by the spouse.

Honda Ridgeline is selling 4,000/month
Hyundai Santa Fe is selling 3,000/month

So-yea.

Correcting my own post (outside of forum time allowed to do so)
should have read

"Santa Cruz" instead of Santa Fe
 
Honda Ridgeline is selling 4,000/month
Hyundai Santa Fe is selling 3,000/month

The CNBC article was about total sales for all Rivian models, so it's not apples oranges to look at the sales figures for a single model.
 
The CT grew enormously in price and has far less real world capability than those putting down deposits were led to believe and those deposits were apparently nugatory anyway.
If I had put down two fiddy on what I thought would be a 40K vehicle and was now offered a vehicle that is less capable than what was advertised at around twice the dollars I'd walk away too.
Reality has a way of catching up with products offered at unrealistic prices that aren't as capable as expected.
This is nothing new with this company.
 
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is a Hyundai Tucson with the roof behind the rear seats lopped off and replaced with something that mildly reassembles a bed. It's a "pickup truck in spirit."
 
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