Well, let’s be fair. I’m reading claims emergency breaking and that didn’t brake in an emergency.
Also, if correct, emergency breaking cannot be overridden.
So we won’t know until the facts are out
Tesla Finally Has Its First Semi-Truck
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Also, if correct, emergency breaking cannot be overridden.
So we won’t know until the facts are out
Tesla FSD, Elon, heck anything Tesla is great clickbait fodder.
Any accident, especially fatalities, is tragic.
I wonder why we see so few, if any, contrary articles?
Any accident, especially fatalities, is tragic.
I wonder why we see so few, if any, contrary articles?
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To be fair, this is also the first (and only brand I know of) whose owner was bragging about X million of miles driven so far and zero fatalities. So it might be a bit of a karma thing.
I would suspect because mechanical, electronic, software problems will kill people and it’s more acceptable if human judgment kills people.
People would expect electronic means from a company advertising automated driving not to fail. I doubt very much people sign a waiver, informing them there will be failures in limited cases.
My money is still on mass produced gta6 before mass-produced tesla semi trucks.
There is no perfect system; there never will be. There are far too many variable permutations and combinations.
Regarding software, I am a major application veteran. SW only works well under defined conditions. Ditto people. The main difference, as I see it, is SW follows the rules it was coded for. People don't.
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Just looking at the one picture available...
- The semi has no markings whatsoever - semi or trailer.
- The Tesla gigafactory building the semis is 30 miles away, on the same highway.
If this thing was some test mule, sky is the limit of how far idiocy can go.
- The semi has no markings whatsoever - semi or trailer.
- The Tesla gigafactory building the semis is 30 miles away, on the same highway.
If this thing was some test mule, sky is the limit of how far idiocy can go.
This. The Ceo of Volvo has said "we're striving for zero fatalities by 2035" but has never claimed zero fatalities. Nor have I seen any other CEOs claim their software and hardware is better than a human at driving. Musk stuck his foot in his mouth, it's time to pay up.
Following this logic then level 5 full autonomous driving isn't possible if software and hardware can't come up with every possible scenario.
Exactly, he stuck his foot in his mouth and pasted a big target on his back. When you're out there bragging about something being so great, you're putting a big bullseye on you're back, so expect people to take shots. Bottom line his system is far from perfect.
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They tend to over promise and under deliver, so there's that!
Then there needs to be full disclosure when claiming something has emergency back up braking that might not work in an emergency.
I mean, really think about that, "emergency back up braking" that might fail in an emergency.
Typically that will not be acceptable from a legal standpoint. It would be seen as a failure of the "emergency back up" system. Held to the same legal standard as much as ANY emergency back up system that might fail in our society. Example - your in a hotel fire and the back up fire sprinkler system doesnt work that should have contained the fire.
As I typed this our electric power went out for 60 seconds! Very rare, so I thought it would be much longer.
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This joke has sort of lost it's punch since GTA6 is actually in development. But it was a great one for a long time.
It isn't to me, but obviously many people disagree.
Didnt mean it to sound crude. My point is we do not expect a product that is sold to us as a preventative to fail.
You could apply this standard to many other things. The companies that build airliners don't have to certify things to a standard of "can never happen" only that the probability of it happening is so insignificant as to be statistically improbable.
This came back to bite Boeing in the rear with the early 737 models that had only 1 rudder servo motor. The motor began to suffer uncommanded reversals with the loss of all souls aboard in Colorado Springs and Pittsburgh crashes in the 90s. Boeing was eventually forced to redesign the 737 rudder with 2 servo motors.
We could stop flying to ensure crashes would never happen. That's the standard you've laid out. Of course, that's not going to happen.
No, what you said is 100% true. A lot of people would rather put their fate at the hands of a human error than a software error.
A lot less people use it than you think and it's just a weird marketing term. You're correct though, it's not helping their case.
To override emergency braking, let off the accelerator and hit it again. You have to committ to override it. It doesn't just happen.
In engineering we call them high 9 probability. If you insist 0 failure nobody will do business with you.
You can say 1 incident within 9,999,999 miles driven which means 1 in 10Million miles. This definitely would be better than human driver by 10x but not zero failure. This is why we have insurance and seat belt and air bags. This is why someone is still selling you insurance despite once in a while they have to pay hundred thousands to compensate for injuries.
The problem with Tesla's FSD is not human is better (it isn't). The problem with Tesla's FSD is they try to act like they are the only FSD in town and they are the best, when Waymo is already doing everything 2-3 years ahead of them and is still not perfect.
People are not stupid, Elon pretends he is the monopoly and the best when reality people saw that it is not, and people hold Tesla to a higher standard that Waymo already met and raised constantly.
