Mid-size Truck Recommendations for friend

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A friend of mine asked me for my recommendation for a mid-size pickup truck. He's leaning towards a Canyon, but I'd like some input from others that have more recent truck experience.

The back-story (skip if you want). He currently drives a Camry, and borrows a family member's truck or rents a truck to tow a cargo trailer a few times a month. His wife drives a Nissan sedan of some sort, and the CVT failed. It's out of warranty, as it has about 160K miles on it. The same day the Nissan died, they went to the Toyota dealer to just get her a new Camry as their Camry has been PERFECT, but he refuses to get a hybrid of any kind, and the new Camry is only available as a hybrid. Anyway, they decided that his wife will take over his current Camry, and he's just going to buy a truck.

The truck is going to be used mainly for daily driving and commuting, and occasionally towing a cargo trailer. They have a younger kid that is in a car seat, so they need a crew cab. He is happy with the towing performance/driving style of his family member's Canyon, for what it's worth - it's a previous gen Canyon with the V6.

Requirements:
-Brand new.
-Crew cab mid-size pickup. He doesn't want an SUV.
-Full size is not an option, his garage is too small. He doesn't have a good driveway either. When he had an F-150 before he had to street park it.
-2WD. He never leaves the SF Bay Area, and told me that he will not even consider a 4x4/AWD truck.
-Gas only - not hybrid
-Not steel wheels because he thinks they are all ugly.
-5000lb towing capacity

Preferences:
-Cheap as possible. He doesn't care about any particular features. The only feature he cares about is power locks and windows but from my understanding ALL trucks have that now.
-Doesn't care about color
-Intends to keep it for about 150K miles, so if it can make it that far without any major repairs, that would be great. The wife's Nissan is the second vehicle that had a transmission failure at just above 150K, the previous being an older F-150, so he feels like 150K is the best time to trade in the vehicle. I am mentioning this, because it means resale value doesn't matter too much.
-He has no brand loyalty.

Options we've found:
-Chevy Colorado
-Ford Ranger
-GMC Canyon
-Nissan Frontier
-Edit: Toyota Tacoma

Options we've ruled out:
-Honda Ridgeline (AWD only)
-Ford Maverick (limited to 4000 lbs towing)

What he is leaning towards:
He likes the size and driving style of his family members's Canyon, so he's leaning towards the Canyon. But, from what he said, that family member had several major repairs under warranty on that Canyon (I don't know the details, but it apparently spent several weeks at the dealer multiple times for different stuff, all handled under warranty at no charge). It's been fine since then, though, and last time he borrowed it it had over 100K miles on it.

What my choice would be:
My pick, if I was him, would be the new Canyon, because I think it looks the best, and I'm a GM fanboy. I'm very anti-Frontier because we have those at work and they're total trash, but others reviews online of the new Frontier tend to be pretty positive, and some fairly well respected sources even say it's the best option in mid-size trucks.

Anyway, before he goes with the Canyon, any strong reason to consider something else? The prices and fuel economy are all pretty similar.
 
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A friend of mine asked me for my recommendation for a mid-size pickup truck. He's leaning towards a Canyon, but I'd like some input from others that have more recent truck experience.

The back-story (skip if you want). He currently drives a Camry, and borrows a family member's truck or rents a truck to tow a cargo trailer a few times a month. His wife drives a Nissan sedan of some sort, and the CVT failed. It's out of warranty, as it has about 160K miles on it. The same day the Nissan died, they went to the Toyota dealer to just get her a new Camry as their Camry has been PERFECT, but he refuses to get a hybrid of any kind, and the new Camry is only available as a hybrid. Anyway, they decided that his wife will take over his current Camry, and he's just going to buy a truck.

The truck is going to be used mainly for daily driving and commuting, and occasionally towing a cargo trailer. They have a younger kid that is in a car seat, so they need a crew cab. He is happy with the towing performance/driving style of his family member's Canyon, for what it's worth - it's a previous gen Canyon with the V6.

Requirements:
-Brand new.
-Crew cab mid-size pickup. He doesn't want an SUV.
-Full size is not an option, his garage is too small. He doesn't have a good driveway either. When he had an F-150 before he had to street park it.
-2WD. He never leaves the SF Bay Area, and told me that he will not even consider a 4x4/AWD truck.
-Gas only - not hybrid
-Not steel wheels because he thinks they are all ugly.
-5000lb towing capacity

Preferences:
-Cheap as possible. He doesn't care about any particular features. The only feature he cares about is power locks and windows but from my understanding ALL trucks have that now.
-Doesn't care about color
-Intends to keep it for about 150K miles, so if it can make it that far without any major repairs, that would be great. The wife's Nissan is the second vehicle that had a transmission failure at just above 150K, the previous being an older F-150, so he feels like 150K is the best time to trade in the vehicle. I am mentioning this, because it means resale value doesn't matter too much.
-He has no brand loyalty.

Options we've found:
-Chevy Colorado
-Ford Ranger
-GMC Canyon
-Nissan Frontier

Options we've ruled out:
-Honda Ridgeline (AWD only)
-Ford Maverick (limited to 4000 lbs towing)

What he is leaning towards:
He likes the size and driving style of his family members's Canyon, so he's leaning towards the Canyon. But, from what he said, that family member had several major repairs under warranty on that Canyon (I don't know the details, but it apparently spent several weeks at the dealer multiple times for different stuff, all handled under warranty at no charge). It's been fine since then, though, and last time he borrowed it it had over 100K miles on it.

What my choice would be:
My pick, if I was him, would be the new Canyon, because I think it looks the best, and I'm a GM fanboy. I'm very anti-Frontier because we have those at work and they're total trash, but others reviews online of the new Frontier tend to be pretty positive, and some fairly well respected sources even say it's the best option in mid-size trucks.

Anyway, before he goes with the Canyon, any strong reason to consider something else? The prices and fuel economy are all pretty similar.
Different Strokes. More economical to rent a truck as needed, as he is now doing. He can go buy an Ice Corolla or an Accord.
 
Why isnt the tacoma on the list?
even available in MT (probably not wanted for bay area)

Are we talking tows 5000# all the time.. or wants the capability but tows 3k mostly? (example)

You dont really want your trailer to weigh more than your tow vehicle if possible. a 5000lb load can be towed with a wrangler.. but... not me.. esp non standard loads.
 
Most importantly....what do you plan to tow? Total weight does not help, type of trailer, travel trailer, boat, landscape trailer, etc.

A 4K lb single outboard 21' boat pulls alot different than a light skidsteer with more tongue weight, especially with a V6.

Tongue weight and your tow vehicle's wheelbase are also factors.

I would find a 5.3 Silverado unless you plan to tow smaller stuff.

Edit: I see the non-full size part. Maybe a older 5.3 Rainier which was a short wheel base model. I think the Envoy Denali was also SWB with the 5.3.

Not a truck, but body on frame and around 4800 lbs empty.
 
Why isnt the tacoma on the list?
even available in MT (probably not wanted for bay area)

Are we talking tows 5000# all the time.. or wants the capability but tows 3k mostly? (example)

You dont really want your trailer to weigh more than your tow vehicle if possible. a 5000lb load can be towed with a wrangler.. but... not me.. esp non standard loads.
Sorry, I forgot to add that, yes, Tacoma is an option.
 
Most importantly....what do you plan to tow? Total weight does not help, type of trailer, travel trailer, boat, landscape trailer, etc.

A 4K lb single outboard 21' boat pulls alot different than a light skidsteer with more tongue weight, especially with a V6.

Tongue weight and your tow vehicle's wheelbase are also factors.

I would find a 5.3 Silverado unless you plan to tow smaller stuff.

Edit: I see the non-full size part. Maybe a older 5.3 Rainier which was a short wheel base model. I think the Envoy Denali was also SWB with the 5.3.

Not a truck, but body on frame and around 4800 lbs empty.
Thank you, it's an enclosed cargo trailer. And he only wants a new vehicle, not used.
 
Why isnt the tacoma on the list?
even available in MT (probably not wanted for bay area)

Are we talking tows 5000# all the time.. or wants the capability but tows 3k mostly? (example)

You dont really want your trailer to weigh more than your tow vehicle if possible. a 5000lb load can be towed with a wrangler.. but... not me.. esp non standard loads.
I asked him for clarification. Apparently he had the trailer and his stuff weighed at some point and it was just under 5000lbs. That's why he told me he needs at least 5K towing capacity. He tows 1-4 times a month. The towing is not super far or fast... maybe 30 miles here and there.
 
If he wants brand new and a V-6, it could be that a Frontier is the only option on the list. Too many people complain about the new Tacomas having tight interiors, and the new GM twins no longer offer a V-6. If he tries to find a used Canyon or Colorado with a V-6, expect them to be pricey with only average reliability.
 
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I like the looks of the new Canyon, and I believe the 2.7L Turbo is a fairly reliable engine. As long as any previous model's transmission issues have been sorted and some of the GM electronic glitches are addressed, the Canyon would be a solid choice.

I also like the Frontier, but one thing I don't like about the 3.8L V6 is that it has an internal water pump. That's a mistake IMO. :rolleyes:

I have recently said that I would pick a Frontier over any other offerings, but the more I research, the more I believe I would consider a Canyon/Colorado.

Cheers! 🍻
 
Does it have to be a pickup? With the options listed, you definitely get more torque with the turbo 4 in the Colorado over the V6, but IMO...these turbo 4's in these applications are really wrung out. The 3.6 is a nice engine but I honestly have no idea how long any will last. Being brand new just get a good warranty.

Also, avoid towing for the first how ever many miles the manual states.

he had the trailer and his stuff weighed at some point and it was just under 5000lbs.

Need to check the tongue weight. Add in extras especially in the pickup, ie, people, then you are likely pushing the limits without a WD hitch.

Well, since it's a short haul, drive train choices won't be a huge factor.

New or used?

Used is no brainer. 2019 or older Frontier.

New - pick your poison.

FWIW, I would absolutely take a 4.0 Frontier with its 6500 ish tow capacity over the models listed..and save a chunk of cash

That being said, I think the Colorado/Canyon is a good choice if you want to spend the $$$
 
I would also say go test drive them all. And decide that way

I was a Gm mechanic and the Canyons are are okay. I don't know about the 2.7. Ieft before that. Their biggest issues like with all Gm's are electrical interior. I own a Tacoma and it will most likely be the more reliable but fuel economy on Toyota trucks aren't that great if that matters. I don't know about the others
 
I just went through this when I ended up with the Tacoma.

After owning a ford with the 10 speed transmission, the Ranger is out. Now, my 150 was an 18, but I rode around in a 23 ranger and it was a disaster finding and missing gears on tight uphill switchback. The owner was very disappointed with it and his dealer offered no help.

Love the canyon twins looks of all of them. So many janky reviews on GM software in the canyon/colorado and GM of this era. What broke me of it was the passenger crash ratings are so far behind driver. Why? They know they are lacking and added a brace …. For the driver. I love my wife who rides shotgun. Or my kids. Or my friends. Shame on you GM, for not doing both sides. GM midsize off the table for that reason.

In all honesty, the frontier might be the most honest midsize truck for truck things. They seem to last forever, in every generation, without any recognition. The last gen had a lacking interior to my eye. The steering wheel was weird and I felt like I was sitting in a hole. Were it not for the interior and seating position, I might have ended up with the frontier. I see 300k titans running around with shot paint and fogged plastics and every single function still works in them. That says something.

I ended up myself with a Tacoma. I bought a higher trim than the OP is looking for, being a hybrid. I think Toyota gave jobs to last years Jeep design interns for all the silly badging…everywhere, on every surface… and I dislike the large video screen, but the bones are still Tacoma goodness. I’ve had some quirks with software, and one hiccup where it quit on me, and found the transmission low on ATF (thanks BITOG for suggesting I check it), but as a daily driver it’s great. Fun to drive, gets good gas mileage, the chassis is solid, and it brings home mulch, plywood and 2x4s par excellence. The 2.4T has plenty of power and is more driveable IMO than torque-reduced v6 … if you can stomach the rowdiness of the 4 - it almost sounds like a Subaru.

Should consider the maverick. I do not know a single owner of a maverick who doesn’t have good things to say. The new ones really have dialed in the interior a couple of notches above the first ones. I know of no complaints with any of the drivelines, but man a FWD hybrid would be a slam dunk. I think the hybrid can now be had in AWD trim, which enables a pretty heft tow rating. They may be to 5000 now. See post #35:


Note. 5,000 lbs towing for any of these mid size trucks will be inferior to a full size, or even a minivan. I’ve been impressed towing with the Tacoma - but it weighs more than my 150 did. The 150 was more stable at speed. Wheelbase means a lot. 3000-4000 lbs is probably the sweet spot. I think mine is rated for 5k or even more, but I can’t imagine it being super sure-footed at 65 with 5000lbs behind it ? Haven’t tried it….
 
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I can tell you right now he's looking at all of this the wrong way.

The first thing he should do is start with the owner. How they maintained it. What was the quality of the parts that were replaced. Where it has been (beware of rusty climates) and whether it was garaged.

The second ingredient is going to be longevity. If he wants the 'cheapest', he'll need to invest in a vehicle that will endure.

A base model Toyota Tacoma is absolutely dominant. How dominant? The Long-Term Quality Index, which I co-developed, now has over 70,000 small trucks that have been inspected by independent mechanics. The findings can be found here for all the trucks mentioned, and here for the obvious choice.

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The Chevy SSR is an overpriced rare trucklet that has no relevance for his needs. However the Tacoma beats everything by a country mile.

It's worth saying that nearly every recent model is above the industry average for all vehicles. However if he's looking at long-term ownership, and weighing in depreciation and reliability, the Tacoma is the big winner. Even after a 10 year period as a used truck, they hold their value very well.

If he wants to contact me off-site, I'll be happy to help. All the best.
 
I can tell you right now he's looking at all of this the wrong way.

The first thing he should do is start with the owner. How they maintained it. What was the quality of the parts that were replaced. Where it has been (beware of rusty climates) and whether it was garaged.

a requirement was "new vehicle"
 
a requirement was "new vehicle"
Then there is a surprise winner that he should definitely consider.

2025 Hyundai Santa Cruz comes with a normally aspirated 2.5 Liter engine that isn't heavily stressed, and an 8-speed automatic transmission that is overengineered for the weight and easy to service.

Every other entrant in the mid-sized truck market right now either has engine or transmission problems.

The SE and SEL versions of that model do not. It's the only one that passes every single barrier and requirement listed in the original post except for one. The tow rating is 3,500 pounds.

If he absolutely needs 5,000 pounds then he will need the higher-end AWD version. I would look at the real world towing needs and then go from there... and if he's towing often then AWD will make his life a lot easier even with a minimal penalty in fuel economy.
 
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