JHZR2
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I’d agree but that is not what was claimed by folks including people on here just a few years ago. It was laughable then, more so now.
Tesla Drops USA Prices up to 20%
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The Model 3 refresh, aka"Highland" after the Famous Ford Highland Park plant, came out in early 2024. The Performance variant was not ready; only the Std Range and Dual Motor cars.
I ordered the M3P when it was released in June and took delivery at the end of the month.
As you know, the Model Y is based on the 3 platform. The Y refresh, aka "Juniper" has not been released; the rumor mill suggests early next year. Given the current build is on its way out, it is surprising to me how well it sells. Of course Tesla needs the refresh for many reasons (it is a better car), not to mention the competition.
Yes. Anyone who bought our traded-in 2018 Mid Range got a really nice car for the low 20's. But the refresh is a better car all around.
I expect this to continue. I 100% knew the risk of being an early adopter.
Pretty much everyone else is better, as to "best", I dunno, they all have little quirks. I didn't say people don't like Tesla or they aren't popular, just that the quality is trash.
I personally place them in the Acura category. Not quite Lexus Mercedes BMW, but better than Toyota Honda Mazda.
I must have missed that. I’d say the Model 3 is just a hint larger than a Jetta. I don’t know where any of them would have gotten 5 series competitor.
JHZR2
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There were quite a few threads where the segment that the model 3 was in was discussed.
Remember graphics like this, indicating what a great success the 3 was outselling its (upmarket and larger) competitors?!?
Totally remember that.
That was from goodcarbadcar who now makes you pay for current segment information.
Sometimes the segments were mixed as in all premium sedans, or " offerings".
Yeah but it's not a direct comparison. Comparing a small EV with luxury gasoline.
I do find it interesting and I think another year will give an indication but since the time of that chart. Growth has come down far more than expected for Tesla.
I wonder what will happen as its competition in the EV space heats up? The signs are already there. They do in my mind have one edge, you dont have to deal with a dealer the other side of that sword is getting service.
These other companies have a leg up because they manufacture all types of fuel vehicles however this is a direct EV to EV comparison.
Source - https://insideevs.com/news/737158/us-ev-sales-q3-2024/
Cox automotive group does good job of compiling sales data outside of the manufacturers themselves.
For a long time there were no direct EV comparisons, but with everyone in the game we see these EV-EV comparisons now.
At the time the posts went up anyone could go to goodcarbad car and see the context the charts were created in and how they were segmented and lots of links got posted to these.
The conversations have shifted over the years as the market has shifted, but out of market/segment comparisons still get make for the sake of discussions.
Most of these comparisons started with "Telsa will never........" then all kinds of comparisons to all manufacturers started to get thrown about to gauge what success does or doesn't look like.
An example of this type of changing discussion went like this.
Telsa is going out of business.
Ok Tesla is doing OK, but the Model 3 will never outsell the BMW 3 series.
Ok The Model 3 is out selling thing the 3 series, but it will never compete with the M3.
Ok the Model 3 performance is a pretty decent car, but Tesla will never outsell BMW on the whole.
Ok the model 3 is almost outselling all of BMW in N America by itself.
OK Teslas few cars are outselling BMW whole lineup in the US, but they will never be as (pick your descriptor)
We've been hearing about the coming slaughter longer than we've been hearing about the coming metric system, killer bees, fire ants, and fusion.
I'm glad there is competition, competition gives us all choice ad pushes manufacturers to give us a better product.
Yeah, I agree, I dont make predictions and I dont say never. Also find it silly to compare like the BMW 3 series, makes no sense, EV vs Gasoline and/or one particular model of a different technology against another.
Not only that but Tesla was the only real game in town but here is one fact. That has now changed, what happens from 2025 on is another story to be read moving into the future. Americans are not a loyal group when it comes to brands.
One fact is as the new brands have come out, Tesla's sales growth has slowed way beyond expectations. 10% sales growth in that chart above and only for one model, the other model almost down 10%, the CEO used to preach they needed/wanted to maintain 50%. All this with $7,500 of free money. Im not sure about the slaughter statement. Sales growth has slowed to a crawl from what it was. Stock down almost 50% from its high years ago. They need to get some new models to market. An SUV would be nice, it's what Americans love. Of course northing wrong limiting yourself to one area of the marketplace, just seems kind of dangerous... but then again what do I know?
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They're more like 90's Viper's. Kit cars that are absurdly fast.
I was trying to put some color on the discussions of the past on how we got here - many posters weren't around then.
The Model Y is an SUV and one of the best selling vehicles in the world regardless of power and its about to get a refresh - it was never expected (at least no one I know thought it would) to perform like it has.
I never personally expected tesla to keep growing and punched out when it hit 250, too early I missed all the splits but I didnt see them doing as well as they have.
I agree new cars would be great.
I agree It's going to be hard for them to continue to grow, at the same time they aren't going anywhere and their competition is struggling to match their price performance.
On subsidies, lots of things wouldn't be the way they are without them, the 1/2 ton pickup market specifically. I think we should can them all.
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Wait for the big boys to get in.
Teslas are only for rich CA granola heads. They will be belly up any day now. Mark my words.
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Selling more burgers does not make better burgers.
Not such a good analogy... Low priced hamburgers sell; Teslas are hardly low priced. Try again...
It’s a perfect analogy. Price was not mentioned. Vinyl seats are not luxury.
While I’m not a fan of vinyl, random opinions are pointless in the grand scheme of sales numbers.
Cars are pointless without dead cow seating surfaces.
