Tesla Cybertruck

Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Until you have experienced "full tank every morning", it is difficult to understand what a great perk it is.
Personally, I am always on the lookout for a decent price gas station.
Always thinking about stopping and gasing up. Darn Scouting "Be Prepared" from my youth!
I do it in the Tesla as well. Then I laugh.
Then I give it part throttle, and .... Whee!


I know right? Ive only borrowed these cars and IMMEDIATELY became obvious that was a game changer.

Until you actually add it up few realize how much time they spend fueling - detractors will talk about pump time only - not the trip to the gas station, and back home prior to leaving on a trip or the off ramp to onramp time, they never ever need to use a bathroom or eat on any trip of any length.

The dialog between owners and detractors is always amusing, and peoples descriptions of their own use as much or more so on both ends is amusing to watch.

It was/is laughable how first gen Tesla owners talk about "restful" hour plus charging stops (not you Jeff but others have) This kills credibility instantly.
Clearly not a benefit and such dialog makes Tesla/ EV owners sound look stupid.

It's equally laughable hearing detractors describe every trip they take as 8 hours plus at 85 MPH with 5 people that drains the tank to fumes before taking a lone 15 minute nascar style fuel pitstop. (see road trips with Hitler) They then claim two 20 minute supercharging stops as " not workable" for them while ignoring the in town benefits entirely or pretending the dont exist.

Makes the detractors (especially those with no experience) look and sound equally stupid.

Owning only Ice vehicle, but getting to drive EV's because my employees buy them is a hugely cool and gives me perspective owners of model S, 3, volt, and leafs have without committing to them.



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Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Originally Posted by supton
Hrm. I bought my truck six years ago, figured I'd own for 10 years and 100k.

Err, snow tires are going to be cheap, right?


Reports are cybertruck tires are $500+ a pop

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Of course, if they sell any large amount of trucks, I'm sure the price will come down. But still. For that price I could buy a winter beater.
 
On the other hand … the tow off stuff IMO is always foolish. First off … if I was buying a vehicle to pull folks out on dry pavement … I'd have to start over. All my life I have owned 4WD's and used them off the pavement. And most vehicles that I drive around or help get un stuck are heavier. So all that macho size on the pavement is not your friend in the soft stuff.

Now a lightweight Jeep with EV torque ? Oh yeah ! … let's all pitch in for a big gen at the camp and have some fun !
 
Originally Posted by UncleDave


What we bought ten years ago for 22K doesnt mean much anymore today.

What does a truck with the cybertrucks capability cost if you were to buy it today?

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Dunno. I don't need 14k towing so I haven't a clue. But I'm guessing there is still a plethora of trucks in the $20-30k range, and maybe below $20k even, used with plenty of life still left, that do 5-10k towing. That's a wild guess, without any shopping (haven't shopped in a while).

The price though is to put numbers to the road. To get something "reasonable" was a good $20k a few years ago. Now add in fuel costs. This electric truck is probably more pricey than run of the mill ICE trucks, so, does fuel savings pay for the extra cost of the vehicle? I'm a good 4 years out from replacing my truck (I think!) so I'm curious if an EV of some sort would be practical for my 5 to 10k per year on it.

If anything I'd rather have a midsize that would fit in my garage though. Then again: an EV should never need to go in the garage for repairs, right? Just tire rotations, brakes (even if they don't wear they need periodic inspection), snow tire installation. Should be ok parked outside. Hmm...
 
You can always go buy a cheap used truck that isnt in the same league as a new truck regardless.
The guy shopping for a used truck on the cheap isn't the same client as the guy in the market for anything new.

Potential Fuel savings never pays for a new vehicle. Its always cheaper to run what you have into the ground than buy any new vehicle for savings.

The average 4 door non stripped F150 run from 30-60K+ with lots landing in the 40K range these days so the new truck prices are actually comparable.
Cybertruck also has a range of towing options and prices - not just the 14K, but interesting all can carry 3500.



Who knows how long they will live, Id assume all the wearable stuff like suspensions should be the same.Motor and trans is the maintenance saving piece.


I love my midsized truck - most of the time its just me driving around and its perfect.
 
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You know the air suspension with that kind of range will be a maintenance nightmare. So will CV shafts under those loads and angles. Keeping everything aligned, inflated, and not broken will be much harder than a normal truck.
 
Originally Posted by UncleDave

It's equally laughable hearing detractors describe every trip they take as 8 hours plus at 85 MPH with 5 people that drains the tank to fumes before taking a lone 15 minute nascar style fuel pitstop.
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I am that guy.

Drove PBI (W Palm Beach, FL) to JAX (Jacksonville, FL) and back for thanksgiving.
PBI to SAV and back on a regular basis.
SWF (Newburgh, NY) to PBI round trips and more.
My shortest trip is 600 round trip miles. Average is about 900 and the long trip is 2400 round trip.

What interests me is that the interstates are clogged with people, many of whom are travelling long distances, a good percentage of them are towing. I often stay with the same group of cars for hours. Furthermore, traffic moves along rapidly. Thanksgiving traffic was bumper to bumper, 93 MPH at one point.

And, NO, the hotels don't have a way to charge the cars.

1200 miles, 2 fuel stops. It's that simple.
 
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1200 miles, 2 fuel stops. NOT counting the initial *before* leaving and NOT counting the *after* reaching home fuel stops, we are talking about 400 miles on a tank of gas. At very aggressive 68 mph *actual average* speed, that is 6 hours of non-stop driving until the next fuel stop. Are you towing? I say "it does not compute" unless you use bottle to expel your bodily fluids :-)

A little bit of exaggeration?
 
Been a while, but a few years ago I made the 800 mile trek to my parents with a single fuel stop around the 5.5 hour mark. 11 hours including that stop. No towing though. Long day! Did that in my TDi, boy did that car have legs... Tried it once in my truck, in the afternoon we had all settled down, got into a nice fast line of traffic and... E happened. Had to stop a good rhythm and the traffic slowed down. 20 gallons goes by way too fast at 16mpg.

But I only did that trek at most once per year. These days we make a monthly trek to my MIL and that's only 400 miles round trip. And as I get older I suspect it won't be long before even an EV would have more range than I do. In some ways I wonder if that wouldn't be more healthy for me--waste more of the day, having to stop every 2-3 hours, but if a mandatory stop makes me get out, stretch my legs, and maybe I go do laps around the parking lot... things could be worse I guess.
 
I did 920 miles from morning till late in the night. I dropped by kid about 460 miles from my house and then to avoid the incoming mother of all blizzards, I turned around from the university and drove home. In a minivan.
No, I won't do that again!
 
Still wonder how many Tesla owners also own a second vehicle - would have to be that way for me if I ever get stuck with a 9 to 5.
Tesla M-F and ICE for weekend work/play trips..
 
Originally Posted by 4WD
Still wonder how many Tesla owners also own a second vehicle - would have to be that way for me if I ever get stuck with a 9 to 5.
Tesla M-F and ICE for weekend work/play trips..

I know a lotta EV owners.
I don't know any with just the EV.
 
Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Originally Posted by 4WD
Still wonder how many Tesla owners also own a second vehicle - would have to be that way for me if I ever get stuck with a 9 to 5.
Tesla M-F and ICE for weekend work/play trips..

I know a lotta EV owners.
I don't know any with just the EV.


I know a lot of single car Volt owners, unfortunate that concept ended with the end of the tax break
 
Originally Posted by Vikas
1200 miles, 2 fuel stops. NOT counting the initial *before* leaving and NOT counting the *after* reaching home fuel stops, we are talking about 400 miles on a tank of gas. At very aggressive 68 mph *actual average* speed, that is 6 hours of non-stop driving until the next fuel stop. Are you towing? I say "it does not compute" unless you use bottle to expel your bodily fluids :-)

A little bit of exaggeration?


No exaggeration at all. Care to come along?

I do this professionally. I work on aircraft in various locations and carry heavy supplies, including aircraft jacks, hydraulic mules, power carts, tool boxes and so on. The truck is rarely empty. Sometimes it's towing a 5000 pound glider trailer. The time constraints severely limit my options. That spoiler actuator is not going to change itself and the owner won't wait. If I were doing this for fun, I'd take my time.

2011 F150 Ecoboost, 3.5L, 18MPG, 36 gal tank, left lane only, with help from Waze and Valentine 1.

The EV's cant compete yet. In fact, I've yet to have one pass me on the highway. And the Tesla truck will add 9 hours to a one way East coast trip.
 
EV's aren't for long distance trek's and no one buys they for that. There is no competition going on.

By the way, the top speed of a Tesla S P110 D Ludicrous is 150 mph. Top speed of a measly Tesla 3 is at least 135 mph and higher with the optional battery pack.
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
EV's aren't for long distance trek's and no one buys they for that. There is no competition going on.

By the way, the top speed of a Tesla S P110 D Ludicrous is 150 mph. Top speed of a measly Tesla 3 is at least 135 mph and higher with the optional battery pack.
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You should compare the current Canonball record for a gas vs electric vehicle. A gas vehicle with purpose built auxiliary tanks (and the bottles for excess liquid :-) stomps over current electric car record which of course is a Tesla 3 AWD model. The gas one is one of the big Benz. (approximately 32 hours vs 48 hours)
 
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2011 F150 Ecoboost, 3.5L, 18MPG, 36 gal tank, left lane only, with help from Waze and Valentine 1.

Are you getting 18MPG loaded with a trailer and at 95mph? I am sorry but I am not buying that, Heck, I can NOT get 18 miles to gallon in my empty minivan with NA Honda 3.5L engine albeit the van is 12 years older than your truck.
 
Originally Posted by Vikas
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
EV's aren't for long distance trek's and no one buys they for that. There is no competition going on.By the way, the top speed of a Tesla S P110 D Ludicrous is 150 mph. Top speed of a measly Tesla 3 is at least 135 mph and higher with the optional battery pack.
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You should compare the current Canonball record for a gas vs electric vehicle. A gas vehicle with purpose built auxiliary tanks (and the bottles for excess liquid :-) stomps over current electric car record which of course is a Tesla 3 AWD model. The gas one is one of the big Benz.

You should compare any gas model (your basic Model T configuration
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) to what holds the Pikes Peak Hill Climb record.
Thats the only race that counts around here.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/volkswagen-idr-electric-pikes-peak-record/
(Mike drop.)
 
Not until the guy does 100 trips up and down on the Pike Peak in one sitting :-)

I wonder if anybody has tried Pikes Peak in M3P in track mode? It should be competitive and even if it runs out of juice at the top, it will automatically refill on the way back. If it were not for pesky frictional losses, it could theoretically do 100 trips up and down on single charge.

I bet your model T will NOT be able to compete with that.

How is that for a rebuttal? :-)
 
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