Tesla Christmas Road Trip - Battery needed frequent re-charging - Range Estimates were 50% to 69% off

[UncleDave]

Try reading the story. This is why I have to post photos from stories or you would have seen this.
Make an excuse for this graph from the story>
Explain the diminished mileage at 20 degrees on the graph, Explain the comment in the headline about Tesla. Explain CCN reporting on the scandal Tesla was caught in July 2023. Come on man. Forty to Forty Five percent of Tesla Claimed range at 20 degrees, thank god its not Fox are you would be trashing this report too. But I am sure others will find a way... and then I will post year another source. I think in this thread this is my fourth source. But keep going *LOL*

Oh, for those who dont know, this chart completely backs up the experience of the OP Fox News Report. If anyone needs it explained I will do my best to help out. Look at the Chart DASH BOARD RANGE and OBSERVED RANGE ... Aligns with what the Fox News Reporters Experienced
I'll check back in the future and see if I need to post more sources. Meantime, everyone enjoy their Saturday!

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You posted this chart in your initial post, but edited it out later.

Same companies data that was posted in the same article you got the chart above from.

No doubt they all take a hit- but what is that hit really?

 

[alarmguy]

Teslas have been on the road for quite a while now. And hundreds of thousands of owners have driven them in States like Minnesota or regions that experience sub-zero temperatures for many days during the winter months.

If this range problem in frigid temperature was such an issue, don't you think it would be common knowledge by now and not take "investigative reporting" by some media outlets to inform the public why they shouldn't count on a Tesla (or other EV) as reliable transportation ?

I smell an agenda here. And those with MDS (Musk Derangement Syndrome) are sopping it up.

And you don’t think it’s becoming common knowledge now that the media is paying attention to it?

Maybe the problems will be more common once you get up to 10% of the population that owns them instead of two.

The shortcomings are only now being publicized, the media honeymoon phase is coming to an end

 

[02SE]

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[Ws6]

You posted this chart in your initial post, but edited it out later.

Same companies data that was posted in the same article you got the chart above from.

No doubt they all take a hit- but what is that hit really?

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Interesting. My EV6 GT has an actual range in 0*f of about 150mi on my typical commute.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Maybe, but it does tell you the exact same information a fuel gauge does.

No doubt, but unfortunately current technology doesn't allow for last minute charging. We've all been in situations were we forgot to get gas and have to fill up before get on with our day. That takes 10 minutes. In any case I imagine it'll get better for EV owners as more multi-family structures build out their on-property charging infrastructure.

 

[DwightFrye]

The problems with cold weather performance would have been common knowledge on various automotive forums including BITOG. It wouldn't take the mainstream media to disseminate this knowledge, they are typically the last ones to know anything.

The media honeymoon phase about EV's is coming to an end mainly because they like to pile on to anything seen as negative, and for political reasons because Elon doesn't align with their political views.

Again, the shortcomings of EV's in cold weather are not something that I deny, but rather they aren't a big enough issue for the owners that they are the crisis that some people with an agenda make them out to be.

 

[alarmguy]

The problems with cold weather performance would have been common knowledge on various automotive forums including BITOG. It wouldn't take the mainstream media to disseminate this knowledge, they are typically the last ones to know anything.
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Again, the shortcomings of EV's in cold weather are not something that I deny, but rather they aren't a big enough issue for the owners that they are the crisis that some people with an agenda make them out to be.

When it comes to "green" everyone has an agenda. All fair in love and war, it's both sides.
The public is always the last to know everything. It's pretty clear the shortcomings of EV in cold weather have come to light in the cold areas of the nation, notably Chicago this past week. They arent for everyone but most purchases by the public are emotional purchases without properly researching what they are buying into.

 

[DwightFrye]

You are correct alarmguy. There has been very close to 5 million Teslas sold to date and we will see easily another 2,25 to 2.5 million sold in 2024. If the poor performance in extreme cold environments was really a big deal we would be well aware of it. But it is statistically insignificant as the vast majority of EV owners, especially Tesla owners are pleased with their vehicles.

The events in Chicago make for good news stories, especially when it is fashionable to bash Elon and EV owners these days.
My cynical perspective is that anyone dumb enough to live in Chicago isn't smart enough not to buy an EV. Of course I live in California and I'm sure a lot of people think that is pretty dumb too.

I live in the mountains but winter temperatures rarely fall below 20 degrees F and I could park my EV in my insulated garage and charge from an added 240V outlet should I have an EV. So the cold weather problems wouldn't really be an issue. But some people don't think things through I guess.

 

[97prizm]

A few short years ago EV's were the darlings of the media. And lately they are the favorite whipping boys. Journalists like to pile on citing declining sales (except for Tesla) and the debacle of Hertz' purchase of EV's which was just a dumb marketing move and had nothing to do with the cars.

Again, if cold weather performance was such a negative, we would have heard about it a long time ago and Teslas in particular wouldn't have such stellar JD Powers owner satisfaction ratings. Reduced performance in frigid temperatures is a real thing. But either the owners are dealing with it or it isn't the negative that the nattering nabobs make it out to be.

Hertz and I can't remember the name but the rental company that rents only luxury vehicles are both dumping their Teslas. Unfortunately many Tesla owners overlook problems and continue to say that it's great their Teslas is amazing but....

 

[Torrid]

Hertz and I can't remember the name but the rental company that rents only luxury vehicles are both dumping their Teslas. Unfortunately many Tesla owners overlook problems and continue to say that it's great their Teslas is amazing but....

Was it Sixt? I remember when they were first trying to break into the US market and they couldn't even get a spot in the airport complex. They're luxury now? I'm not saying they're not, I've only rented 1 car in the last 7 years and it's been about that long since i worked in the industry. I just recall their name coming up with Tesla at one point.

 

[97prizm]

Was it Sixt? I remember when they were first trying to break into the US market and they couldn't even get a spot in the airport complex. They're luxury now? I'm not saying they're not, I've only rented 1 car in the last 7 years and it's been about that long since i worked in the industry. I just recall their name coming up with Tesla at one point.

Yes! Sixt. They have or are in the process of dumping ALL of their Teslas due to excessive repair costs, and excessive repair times if the parts are even available.

 

[Torrid]

Yes! Sixt. They have or are in the process of dumping ALL of their Teslas due to excessive repair costs, and excessive repair times if the parts are even available.

I have to say if this car ever gets in an accident, I don't want to deal with it. Parts are going to be a pain. I like the car, but I've had other low production or odd vehicles that weren't fun in those cases.

 

[alarmguy]

You posted this chart in your initial post, but edited it out later.

Same companies data that was posted in the same article you got the chart above from.

No doubt they all take a hit- but what is that hit really?

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Wrong again but you seem to be selective in what you want to see.
Here is the post that you say doesnt exist, along with the above information is actual information on the disastrous Tesla loss of range.
I mean, come on already, stop ignoring facts. I cant understand why you defend a corporation when the facts are posted right to you.
That is my lack of response if people can not understand.
ohhh.. and that post, here it is, I didnt edit out anything. It's not worth a further conversation, argue with the statistics, not me. So one last time here below is that post.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...timates-were-50-to-69-off.377930/post-6753188

 

[Torrid]

Wrong again but you seem to be selective in what you want to see.
Here is the post that you say doesnt exist, along with the above information is actual information on the disastrous Tesla loss of range.
I mean, come on already, stop ignoring facts. I cant understand why you defend a corporation when the facts are posted right to you.
That is my lack of response if people can not understand.
ohhh.. and that post, here it is, I didnt edit out anything. It's not worth a further conversation, argue with the statistics, not me. So one last time here below is that post.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...timates-were-50-to-69-off.377930/post-6753188

No one is defending a corporation. You're oddly invested in this for no reason which I've pointed out multiple times. We aren't seeing these numbers on this site. Call it improper use or wrong tool for the job, I don't do anything special other than charge when needed and drive it as a regular car. I don't have this happening and many also state they don't have this happening. Get some disgruntled people together to report their numbers to a news organization and this is what you end up with. Why would people bother reported results if they're not unhappy with their experience? I'm saying these number are skewed no matter how you believe it. Maybe those people should sell their cars and by something ICE powered. I don't care, that doesn't affect me. You shouldn't care because it doesn't affect you either.

 

[97prizm]

I have to say if this car ever gets in an accident, I don't want to deal with it. Parts are going to be a pain. I like the car, but I've had other low production or odd vehicles that weren't fun in those cases.

My biggest complaint about Tesla is that they treat physical parts and part numbers like software updates. This becomes A) extremely confusing to repair shops and B) Adds unnecessary complexity to company operations. The model y has three or four completely different frunk latches installed in the first year. Good luck figuring out which one yours came with or if Tesla can still get the parts.

 

[UncleDave]

Wrong again but you seem to be selective in what you want to see.
Here is the post that you say doesnt exist, along with the above information is actual information on the disastrous Tesla loss of range.
I mean, come on already, stop ignoring facts. I cant understand why you defend a corporation when the facts are posted right to you.
That is my lack of response if people can not understand.
ohhh.. and that post, here it is, I didnt edit out anything. It's not worth a further conversation, argue with the statistics, not me. So one last time here below is that post.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...timates-were-50-to-69-off.377930/post-6753188

Your quote is copied in my reply It's not in there, but it seems to be in yours now.
Could be I somehow I screwed that up? Either way on that Im happy to retract on saying you edited it.

Recurrent is the source of both your and my attachments.

I think the 24% loss they post is about right. I never argued they dont lose range. The question was always how much.

None of this is new info.

 

[Torrid]

My biggest complaint about Tesla is that they treat physical parts and part numbers like software updates. This becomes A) extremely confusing to repair shops and B) Adds unnecessary complexity to company operations. The model y has three or four completely different frunk latches installed in the first year. Good luck figuring out which one yours came with or if Tesla can still get the parts.

The first thing they tell you in a showroom is the year doesn't matter because they do incremental changes instead of waiting for a specific model year in most cases. That's fine for software itself, but I worry when it's 8 years old an I have to buy a latch as you mention.

Again, I really like the car, but like with any car there are downsides. The non year year models are a bit hard to deal with when I'm so used to differentiating changes year to year. Things change over the years, it's just not the dividing line with this company. Ford has done this, but that can be deciphered by VIN by a Ford dealer. I've never attempted this with Tesla, but I don't know if their records are like this being a newer car company that does things so differently.

 

[UncleDave]

No one is defending a corporation. You're oddly invested in this for no reason which I've pointed out multiple times. We aren't seeing these numbers on this site. Call it improper use or wrong tool for the job, I don't do anything special other than charge when needed and drive it as a regular car. I don't have this happening and many also state they don't have this happening. Get some disgruntled people together to report their numbers to a news organization and this is what you end up with. Why would people bother reported results if they're not unhappy with their experience? I'm saying these number are skewed no matter how you believe it. Maybe those people should sell their cars and by something ICE powered. I don't care, that doesn't affect me. You shouldn't care because it doesn't affect you either.

I have no love lost for Tesla or Musk outside of supporting American businesses.

What I want to know is whats the real deal with EV's in regards to how they work, and after ten years of experience with them all, I know a bunch of nonsense when I see it.

When people/ news outlets/ mix truth with nonsense and present the whole thing as "fact" I'm going to pick it apart whenever I see regardless of the topic.

 

[Torrid]

I have no love lost for Tesla or Musk outside of supporting American businesses.

What I want to know is whats the real deal with EV's with how they work, and after ten year of experience with them all, I know a bunch of nonsense when I see it.

When people/ news outlets/ mix truth with nonsense and present the whole thing as "fact" I'm going to pick it apart whenever I see regardless of the topic.

For sure, but if you look at what is posted on this website you'll see what many attribute ownership as a dumpster fire with no experience at all and no patience at all for what members here have for ownership experience. We even have a member here who has had the same EV for 5 years who has been mocked because they've decided it doesn't meet their narrative so he gets mocked for his opinion on a daily basis.

For me about once a week I log out and don't come back for a couple of days. My intention is just to never come back. There's a few people here I genuinely enjoy reacting with so I just keep coming back. There's a very toxic environment here with the majority of members who post in this section of the site holier than though and that's what shuts me off from responding. I have no problem debating the benefits and negatives of owning an EV, but at the end of the day it's all personal use which may not translate to every user. Some take this too personally. I don't think this would be the same case if someone chose a Ford Fiesta or a Ram 3500. It becomes personal and political for some once it's battery powered.

 

[UncleDave]

For sure, but if you look at what is posted on this website you'll see what many attribute ownership as a dumpster fire with no experience at all and no patience at all for what members here have for ownership experience. We even have a member here who has had the same EV for 5 years who has been mocked because they've decided it doesn't meet their narrative so he gets mocked for his opinion on a daily basis.

For me about once a week I log out and don't come back for a couple of days. My intention is just to never come back. There's a few people here I genuinely enjoy reacting with so I just keep coming back. There's a very toxic environment here with the majority of members who post in this section of the site holier than though and that's what shuts me off from responding. I have no problem debating the benefits and negatives of owning an EV, but at the end of the day it's all personal use which may not translate to every user. Some take this too personally. I don't think this would be the same case if someone chose a Ford Fiesta or a Ram 3500. It becomes personal and political for some once it's battery powered.

I have to hand it to telsa for giving the Ford GM and Dodge guys something they can all hate.

The problem with EV's is they became political and thats alway polarizing. Musks personality doenst help so the whole segments gets painted.

Before Tesla came along guys were arguing about something else they read about but didn't own, experience, or understand.

The boat guys make this group look like choirboys.