Tesla Christmas Road Trip - Battery needed frequent re-charging - Range Estimates were 50% to 69% off

[Torrid]

@BMWTurboDzl
How many news sources does one need to accept a fact?
In this OP thread is mentioned Fox, on camera screen shots. Statements from Business Today, Reuters. Instead of baseless accusations why not do your own research. Kind of scary the willingness of those to view a true life experience in an EV and make uneducated remarks about the source based on nothing.
I dont know but I tend to look at those in here as more informed and intelligent then the general public but comments from some in here are borderline scary how jaded we can become.

Its a fact, EVs lose range in cold weather, its a fact, the Fox News story is a real life experience so instead of trashing the news story why dont those research on there own to show there is no issues in cold weather.
*LOL* My god, Tesla was caught with their pants down using algorithms to exaggerate mileage.
All I can say is wow, this is a perfect example of "you can bring a horse to water but you cant make him drink"

This stuff is all over the place, do your homework. Ok, so here is another source to trash, go ahead keep denying and buy that EV for long range trips in the winter. I am telling you now, all of those discounting the facts, they wont be taking them on trips either.

Fella's open your minds to learn - (I'll do my best to help) Here are test results of THOUSANDS of EVs.
Here is the source but I included a photo of a loose summary because I have no faith those who comment actually follow through reading or watching anything provided in this thread. So click the link, information and education is good.

https://insideevs.com/news/704318/ev-winter-range-loss-vs-ideal-conditions/

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So you pick the one worst case scenario video that many of us question the validity of and displays 2-3 times the range loss as this chart and we’re supposed to take it as gospel? It’s one point of *supposed* evidence!

I don’t have much tolerance for vehicles and equipment not doing what they’re supposed to do. If it was losing 50-69% of range in the cold I can assure you it would no longer be in my garage. Could I make it do that though? Sure it’s possible if I fully warm it up for 10 minutes and drive it 2 miles, let it cool down and start the process all over again until it’s dead in 10 degree weather. I wouldn’t expect it to make it more than 100 miles. That’s not what’s happening here though.

 

[alarmguy]

So you pick the one worst case scenario video that many of us question the validity of and displays 2-3 times the range loss as this chart and we’re supposed to take it as gospel? It’s one point of *supposed* evidence!

I don’t have much tolerance for vehicles and equipment not doing what they’re supposed to do. If it was losing 50-69% of range in the cold I can assure you it would no longer be in my garage. Could I make it do that though? Sure it’s possible if I fully warm it up for 10 minutes and drive it 2 miles, let it cool down and start the process all over again until it’s dead in 10 degree weather. I wouldn’t expect it to make it more than 100 miles. That’s not what’s happening here though.

Try reading the story. This is why I have to post photos from stories or you would have seen this.
Make an excuse for this graph from the story>
Explain the diminished mileage at 20 degrees on the graph, Explain the comment in the headline about Tesla. Explain CCN reporting on the scandal Tesla was caught in July 2023. Come on man. Forty to Forty Five percent of Tesla Claimed range at 20 degrees, thank god its not Fox are you would be trashing this report too. But I am sure others will find a way... and then I will post year another source. I think in this thread this is my fourth source. But keep going *LOL*

Oh, for those who dont know, this chart completely backs up the experience of the OP Fox News Report. If anyone needs it explained I will do my best to help out. Look at the Chart DASH BOARD RANGE and OBSERVED RANGE ... Aligns with what the Fox News Reporters Experienced
I'll check back in the future and see if I need to post more sources. Meantime, everyone enjoy their Saturday!

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[4WD]

@BMWTurboDzl
How many news sources does one need to accept a fact?
In this OP thread is mentioned Fox, on camera screen shots. Statements from Business Today, Reuters. Instead of baseless accusations on the source, why not do your own research?

Kind of scary the willingness of those to view a true life experience in an EV and make uneducated remarks about the source based on nothing.
I dont know but I tend to look at those in here as more informed and intelligent then the general public but comments from some in here are borderline scary how jaded we can become based on nothing.

Its an undeniable fact, EVs lose range in cold weather, its a fact, the Fox News story is a real life experience so instead of trashing the news story why dont those research on there own to show there is no issues in cold weather.
*LOL* My god, Tesla was caught with their pants down using algorithms to exaggerate mileage and the link posted in here from CNN.
All I can say is wow, this is a perfect example of "you can bring a horse to water but you cant make him drink"

This stuff is all over the place, do your homework. Ok, so here is another source to trash, go ahead keep denying and buy that EV for long range trips in the winter. I am telling you now, all of those discounting the facts, they wont be taking them on trips either.
@demarpaint BTW- CNN did a story and I posted it in here about the scandal at Tesla, INTENTIONALLY creating an algorithm to mislead the public with false range numbers. All news sources report this.

Fella's open your minds to learn - (I'll do my best to help) Here are test results of THOUSANDS of EVs.
Here is the source but I included a photo of a loose summary because I have no faith those who comment actually follow through reading or watching anything provided in this thread. So click the link, information and education is good.

DIrect quote, but this isnt just Tesla-

"Tesla models seem to be the worst offenders when comparing the observed winter range to the original EPA range"​

https://insideevs.com/news/704318/ev-winter-range-loss-vs-ideal-conditions/

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Someone asked me who’s a reliable news source - said all good 5 minutes after the fire starts - then depends on who’s fire and what news

 

[Torrid]

Try reading the story. This is why I have to post photos from stories or you would have seen this.
Make an excuse for this graph from the story>
Explain the diminished mileage at 20 degrees on the graph, Explain the comment in the headline about Tesla. Explain CCN reporting on the scandal Tesla was caught in July 2023. Come on man. Forty to Forty Five percent of Tesla Claimed range at 20 degrees, thank god its not Fox are you would be trashing this report too. But I am sure others will find a way... and then I will post year another source. I think in this thread this is my fourth source. But keep going *LOL*

Oh, for those who dont know, this chart completely backs up the experience of the OP Fox News Report. If anyone needs it explained I will do my best to help out. Look at the Chart DASH BOARD RANGE and OBSERVED RANGE ... Aligns with what the Fox News Reporters Experienced
I'll check back in the future and see if I need to post more sources. Meantime, everyone enjoy their Saturday!

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I never said range doesn't diminish in cold. It does in my ICE vehicle too. It's a fact of life. I only got 29 mpg on the last tank because of the cold. Of course EVs tend to be the biggest loser in cold because they are much more efficient with their power usage that they have less to lose. ICE vehicles can buffer that easier only being 40% efficient in the first place.

My only gripe is your 69% loss statistical anomaly that from my perspective looks like you want me to accept that as ultimate proof. Again you've convinced yourself that you don't want one and that's fine. What do you want me to be convinced of?

 

[alarmguy]

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My only gripe is your 69% loss statistical anomaly that from my perspective looks like you want me to accept that as ultimate proof. Again you've convinced yourself that you don't want one and that's fine. What do you want me to be convinced of?

You're using the 69% one time issue to disconnect the constant 50% issue that the reporters had. It could have been a fluke but it was one reading only, you present it like it was the whole trip. No matter the number 50 to 69% which for the reporters it was a brutal trip.
The reporters weren't lying it was the Tesla for whatever reason but you insist on saying it was the reporter and dwell on that ONE number and ignore the rest of the trip which was as low at 50% of dashboard range.
The numbers speak for themselves and the 69% it possible from whatever the car was doing in a situation such as what if it was 10 or 15 degrees when they left AND doing 80 MPH? None of it matters, as the other links show from other "news" organizations including CNN one Tesla's corporate intentions to misled its customers on range and of the lastest range report from EV Insider which is also published with other sources.
The story stands.

 

[Torrid]

You're using the 69% one time issue to disconnect the constant 50% issue that the reporters had. It could have been a fluke but it was one reading only, you present it like it was the whole trip. No matter the number 50 to 69% which for the reporters it was a brutal trip.
The reporters weren't lying it was the Tesla for whatever reason but you insist on saying it was the reporter and dwell on that ONE number and ignore the rest of the trip which was as low at 50% of dashboard range.
The numbers speak for themselves and the 69% it possible from whatever the car was doing in a situation such as what if it was 10 or 15 degrees when they left AND doing 80 MPH? None of it matters, as the other links show from other "news" organizations including CNN one Tesla's corporate intentions to misled its customers on range and of the lastest range report from EV Insider which is also published with other sources.
The story stands.

So they adjusted it by 13 miles on the Long Range. Either they're still lying or it was blown out of proportion. I only know my usage. I just didn't want the assumption to be that you believed I didn't think range dropped with cold. I've seen nothing near 50% but most of our roads are 55mph. Now if you're doing 80 it's going to look like a 20% range drop before the temp change, which makes sense with the published 25%-30% range loss in cold. Semantics, I know. If I went by the range my ICE vehicle promised when I fueled up I'm getting 20% less at every fill up regardless of temperature, but none of us actually go by that anyway. We go by consumption. I treat my EV the same way and my battery meter is set only for percentage. That's all that mileage display is, just a more granular way to look at the battery available. It's never been a calculated usage tool, that's in the efficiency app just as a car's fuel estimates aren't built into the fuel gauge itself. Mileage is an arbitrary figure and if we did that for ICE vehicles they'd see wicked losses at 80mph too. It takes a lot of power to push through air.

The story can stand as a testament to people who don't know what information is being given to them.

 

[DwightFrye]

Teslas have been on the road for quite a while now. And hundreds of thousands of owners have driven them in States like Minnesota or regions that experience sub-zero temperatures for many days during the winter months.

If this range problem in frigid temperature was such an issue, don't you think it would be common knowledge by now and not take "investigative reporting" by some media outlets to inform the public why they shouldn't count on a Tesla (or other EV) as reliable transportation ?

I smell an agenda here. And those with MDS (Musk Derangement Syndrome) are sopping it up.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

@BMWTurboDzl
How many news sources does one need to accept a fact?
In this OP thread is mentioned Fox, on camera screen shots. Statements from Business Today, Reuters. Instead of baseless accusations on the source, why not do your own research?

Kind of scary the willingness of those to view a true life experience in an EV and make uneducated remarks about the source based on nothing.
I dont know but I tend to look at those in here as more informed and intelligent then the general public but comments from some in here are borderline scary how jaded we can become based on nothing.

Its an undeniable fact, EVs lose range in cold weather, its a fact, the Fox News story is a real life experience so instead of trashing the news story why dont those research on there own to show there is no issues in cold weather.
*LOL* My god, Tesla was caught with their pants down using algorithms to exaggerate mileage and the link posted in here from CNN.
All I can say is wow, this is a perfect example of "you can bring a horse to water but you cant make him drink"

This stuff is all over the place, do your homework. Ok, so here is another source to trash, go ahead keep denying and buy that EV for long range trips in the winter. I am telling you now, all of those discounting the facts, they wont be taking them on trips either.
@demarpaint BTW- CNN did a story and I posted it in here about the scandal at Tesla, INTENTIONALLY creating an algorithm to mislead the public with false range numbers. All news sources report this.

Fella's open your minds to learn - (I'll do my best to help) Here are test results of THOUSANDS of EVs.
Here is the source but I included a photo of a loose summary because I have no faith those who comment actually follow through reading or watching anything provided in this thread. So click the link, information and education is good.

DIrect quote, but this isnt just Tesla-

"Tesla models seem to be the worst offenders when comparing the observed winter range to the original EPA range"​

https://insideevs.com/news/704318/ev-winter-range-loss-vs-ideal-conditions/

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Yellow Journalism - Journalism that exploits, distorts, or exaggerates facts in the news to attract readers.

I know you understand nuance behind this so it's up to you as to whether or not you want to continue with the trollish statements.

 

[alarmguy]

Teslas have been on the road for quite a while now. And hundreds of thousands of owners have driven them in States like Minnesota or regions that experience sub-zero temperatures for many days during the winter months.

If this range problem in frigid temperature was such an issue, don't you think it would be common knowledge by now and not take "investigative reporting" by some media outlets to inform the public why they shouldn't count on a Tesla (or other EV) as reliable transportation ?

I smell an agenda here. And those with MDS (Musk Derangement Syndrome) are sopping it up.

You can’t deny factual data.
Here you go

Thread 'I found this interesting, regarding the cold...........'
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/i-found-this-interesting-regarding-the-cold.378199/

 

[alarmguy]

Yellow Journalism - Journalism that exploits, distorts, or exaggerates facts in the news to attract readers.

I know you understand nuance behind this so it's up to you as to whether or not you want to continue with the trollish statements.

Here are some more exploits and yellow journalism for you and trolling behavior
FYI @Torrid might be a good day for a range test today and tomorrow. Make sure to park the car outside.
Thread 'I found this interesting, regarding the cold...........'
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/i-found-this-interesting-regarding-the-cold.378199/

 

[DwightFrye]

A few short years ago EV's were the darlings of the media. And lately they are the favorite whipping boys. Journalists like to pile on citing declining sales (except for Tesla) and the debacle of Hertz' purchase of EV's which was just a dumb marketing move and had nothing to do with the cars.

Again, if cold weather performance was such a negative, we would have heard about it a long time ago and Teslas in particular wouldn't have such stellar JD Powers owner satisfaction ratings. Reduced performance in frigid temperatures is a real thing. But either the owners are dealing with it or it isn't the negative that the nattering nabobs make it out to be.

 

[UncleDave]

A few short years ago EV's were the darlings of the media. And lately they are the favorite whipping boys. Journalists like to pile on citing declining sales (except for Tesla) and the debacle of Hertz' purchase of EV's which was just a dumb marketing move and had nothing to do with the cars.

Again, if cold weather performance was such a negative, we would have heard about it a long time ago and Teslas in particular wouldn't have such stellar JD Powers owner satisfaction ratings. Reduced performance in frigid temperatures is a real thing. But either the owners are dealing with it or it isn't the negative that the nattering nabobs make it out to be.

I always remember them being polarizing.

They got caught up in political and environmental nonsense making it nearly impossible to discuss the actual topic.

The Norwegians dont seem to have a problem. This one come down to PPPPPPP. Proper Prior Planning Prevents Pee Poor Performance.

 

[Torrid]

Here are some more exploits and yellow journalism for you and trolling behavior
FYI @Torrid might be a good day for a range test today and tomorrow. Make sure to park the car outside.
Thread 'I found this interesting, regarding the cold...........'
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/i-found-this-interesting-regarding-the-cold.378199/

Sounds like fun, but I don't have time to do that unfortunately. I won't be in town and it would only see 70 miles in the next two days in the process if I did take it for work. It would get plenty of time sitting in a parking lot though.

I will say starting off in cold will obviously get worse results, but just like any other cars I've owned I avoid leaving them out in the elements when I don't have to. That could be a lot of the reason why I haven't had range issues. I see no reason from home to not have it fully warmed while plugged in before leaving. That heating process can take some real energy which is where this stuff is coming from.

Again though I never said cars don't lose range in the cold. I just naturally minimize it up front because I can and I'll be the first one to say if you don't have a garage to charge in there's no point to having one especially in this climate. I know some want an EV because it's cool to own one and they don't have the best setup for one, but a lot of thought was put into having one because it's the perfect choice for us. It doesn't do me any favors to attempt to convince others to buy one, I'm not trying to do that at all. Constantly rehashing all of this range stuff is getting old. It seems the only ones that have questions don't own EVs and all of us owners understand what is in involved, how to mitigate it, and for the most part don't care.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Here are some more exploits and yellow journalism for you and trolling behavior
FYI @Torrid might be a good day for a range test today and tomorrow. Make sure to park the car outside.
Thread 'I found this interesting, regarding the cold...........'
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/i-found-this-interesting-regarding-the-cold.378199/

Everyone must be prepared for the weather. No different than getting stuck with summer diesel during a cold snap.

 

[alarmguy]

Everyone must be prepared for the weather. No different than getting stuck with summer diesel during a cold snap.

Yup, you better be sure as heck you prepare that EV for below freezing temperature travel. The country is learning that fast with this cold snap... oh.. but no cars dying at the gas stations.

 

[y_p_w]

Again though I never said cars don't lose range in the cold. I just naturally minimize it up front because I can and I'll be the first one to say if you don't have a garage to charge in there's no point to having one especially in this climate. I know some want an EV because it's cool to own one and they don't have the best setup for one, but a lot of thought was put into having one because it's the perfect choice for us. It doesn't do me any favors to attempt to convince others to buy one, I'm not trying to do that at all. Constantly rehashing all of this range stuff is getting old. It seems the only ones that have questions don't own EVs and all of us owners understand what is in involved, how to mitigate it, and for the most part don't care.

There are quite a few EV and PHEV owners who set up charging outdoors, as well as lots and open air garages. Many who have charging at work seem to prefer that if it's free. My neighbor had one set up mounted on the wall outside his garage so that he could charge his plug-in while parked in his driveway. I've seen plenty of Level 2 chargers outdoors including Tesla Destination Chargers, and they're designed for all sorts of conditions. That could at least help with preconditioning and heating. Not sure what it would require in colder temps, but in the garage I saw preconditioning for scheduled departure was taking about 16A at 240V but then went down waiting to be driven off but holding the temperature. With colder temps, I would hope it's not necessarily about how much power, but how long it would take and then hold it at a lower power maintain condition.



Now Tesla does have the precondition scheduling in the app, but it's only daily although it can be changed all the time. I suppose it would be better if they could find a means to set up a one-time departure since random departure times are the way most people drive their vehicles.

As for the other stuff - year it gets tiring when it seems there's a lot of discussion that isn't particularly trying to be helpful but to rag on EVs for every little thing.

 

[Torrid]

Yup, you better be sure as heck you prepare that EV for below freezing temperature travel. The country is learning that fast with this cold snap... oh.. but no cars dying at the gas stations.

No one ever has run out of gasoline by failing to plan... ever.

I've always said the reason why I don't run into these issues is because I plan ahead. I've never ran my car out of gas so I'm not going to run my EV out of charge. Those that push farther than they should have are the ones that run into this.

 

[demarpaint]

Teslas have been on the road for quite a while now. And hundreds of thousands of owners have driven them in States like Minnesota or regions that experience sub-zero temperatures for many days during the winter months.

If this range problem in frigid temperature was such an issue, don't you think it would be common knowledge by now and not take "investigative reporting" by some media outlets to inform the public why they shouldn't count on a Tesla (or other EV) as reliable transportation ?

I smell an agenda here. And those with MDS (Musk Derangement Syndrome) are sopping it up.

I've been smelling an agenda for quite a while too, but it smells totally different than what you're smelling.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

No one ever has run out of gasoline by failing to plan... ever.

I've always said the reason why I don't run into these issues is because I plan ahead. I've never ran my car out of gas so I'm not going to run my EV out of charge. Those that push farther than they should have are the ones that run into this.

While there are a few the biggest argument against EV's is that they're not yet suitable for the lowest common denominator. We've all heard of stories of ICE owners who forget to change the oil in their car. It's these absent minded individuals who could get themselves in the worst kind of trouble with an EV.

 

[Torrid]

While there are a few the biggest argument against EV's is that they're not yet suitable for the lowest common denominator. We've all heard of stories of ICE owners who forget to change the oil in their car. It's these absent minded individuals who could get themselves in the worst kind of trouble with an EV.

Maybe, but it does tell you the exact same information a fuel gauge does.