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[jonny-b]

The Marvel oil company was founded in 1923.

About Synlube, it has so good qualities in itself, that the need for additives that wear out, is almost eliminated. Besides, having better properties, it makes the piston rings seal better against the cylinder walls, giving a more complete combustion. It also reduce bearing wear(especially because of the PTFE). This will lead to better combustion, and less contamination of the oil. It also have better ability to handle contamination, than other oils. If you change oil filter according to the instructions(or use micro glass filter), I don't see that any unwanted particles will be found in the oil. The only thing you will see, is that your engine will perform better, and wear less.

If you still want to change the oil after 3000 miles, you can do so, and you even get back the money you paid for the oil, when you return it!

No damage on any engine has been reported, due to use of this oil.

If someone still want to use money on oil, it's their problem.
I just find it odd, since the "free" product is so much better.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: jonny-b

If you still want to change the oil after 3000 miles, you can do so, and you even get back the money you paid for the oil, when you return it!

They accept used oil back for a credit? Do they pro rate the oil, based on what? You telling them how many miles are on the oil? Then do the sell that oil as slightly used oil, moderately used, or severely used to someone else?

Oil thickens in some situations, so you might have started out with a 5W30 oil, and end up with something in the 50 grade range after 40,000 miles. They know something that all of the oil companies have missed. Even XOM who I am not a fan of? I would think Shell knows a thing or two about oil as well.

Sorry jonny-b I don't believe everything I read, and it seems there are a lot of people here who share similar views.

I am not singling you out, just responding with my feelings to add to the discussion. So I'll leave the flame suit and hard hat off. j/k.

You have tried so many oils and additives, after this discovery why bother trying anything else?

 

[jonny-b]

Hi, Demarpaint.

Yes, and they sell the used oil for 50USD!

About the oil weight on the Synlube, it start out closer to 0W50, but many Americans are skeptic to 0W oils, so they decided to mark it with the 5W number.

I don't expect you to believe anything I (or anyone else write), but then why don't you check out if somethings about what I tell, is true?

Actually, it was very funny that one long-time Synlube user, dumped into this board, telling some of the things I have told some 3 years now.

Back then, I concluded with that whatever proof was given, you would not believe it or accept it.

But, if just one person here, decides to try it, I won't feel so alone

 

[jonny-b]

The reason to why I try it, is because I like to know what is working, and what isn't!

So far, the list on what is working, is not so very long(about 10 products), but Synlube is my number 1 choice, if it is an engine in fairly good shape(and with little deposits inside).
Particularly if you consider the total cost.

What I also see, is that many people change their ATF very frequently.
When we had a car with automatic transmission, we started to use Synlube Atf, with great success.

You can not go as long with that one(150000 miles), as you can with the engine oil.
There is no PTFE or MOS2 in it, either. Only graphite.

 

[Mystic]

I had forgot about that Hastings product, but I remember it now! Thanks demarpaint!

Wow, Synlube accepts back the used oil after it has been in use for 45,000 miles or more? Who would want to buy the used oil? Hopefully they at least filter out dirt, metal particles, and chemical contamination before they sell it to the next customer. I have heard of the railroads engaging in a closed loop recycling of used oil but they are able to control everything. Kind of hard to control what individual customers do to their cars and trucks.

That Synlube oil is amazing, is it not? Apparently there is no dirt, metal particle, or chemical byproduct buildup in the oil. No oxidation after being exposed to the air. Somebody needs to do a study of this amazing stuff.

Maybe we should be able to sell our used oil back to Pennzoil, Mobil, Chevron, etc. But I think I know in advance what their answer would be. I do take my old used oil to be recycled for other uses when I change the oil in my car. I take in in to Checker Auto Parts Stores.

We need to find out what Synlube does with the used oil. Do they sell it to the next customer after they filter out any contaminates? And you get all of your money back when you send in the used oil? What a deal.

I don't know if it is such a good deal for the next customer. Is that customer allowed to buy the product cheaper in view of the fact that it has been used-for 45,000 or more miles? It would be unfair in seems to me if the next customer (and then the next customer) are charged the same as new price. Maybe that is how Synlube makes a profit and stays in business. I don't know how you stay in business if you buy the used oil back. But than again I don't have a degree in accounting. Can a businessman here explain to me how this works?

I hear that NASA is supposed to use Synlube. I wonder how they would feel if they found out some of the Synlube they were buying had been in use already for 1,000,000 miles in ten different customer cars and trucks.

This is just amazing marketing. Maybe we can somehow get Pennzoil, Mobil, etc. to send people to Synlube for training classes.

And if you can get all of your money back even if you just drive 3000 miles on Synlube I think I would send it in every 3000 miles and get fresh oil. The best of all possible worlds-the world's best motor oil and 3000 mile oil changes.

 

[c3po]

All internal combustion engines will consume some motor oil during operation. If you change motor oil frequently, this small amount may go unnoticed.

But if you never change oil, as with SynLube™ Lube-4-Life® you will have to check the oil level periodically, and add oil if necessary to restore proper oil level.

The SynLube™ Lube-4-Life® ADD OIL is uniquely formulated and designed solely for this purpose, also it is less expensive than the
INITIAL FILL Formula, and it costs only $20.00 per Liter

Motor Oil consumption, just like fuel consumption, depends on many factors.

Typically, a small imported high-performance multi-valve high-revving engines will consume more oil (on average Quart per 6,000 miles), than large slow revving American made V-8’s, such as those in Light Trucks
(on average Quart per 17,500 miles).

Many NEW 2006 and later vehicles have oil consumption as low as
30,000 miles or more per Quart of Motor Oil.

Assuming the worst case; a vehicle that is driven hard and is in not a perfect condition, let’s say the oil consumption is on the high end at about Quart per 6,000 miles.

Over 100,000 miles you will need 15 Quarts of SynLube™ Lube-4-Life® Add Oil @ $20.00 Quart = $300.00

I got the above information from the Synlube site, this is unbelievable, you can run this oil for 15 years or 150,000 miles.

The Oil Filter can go for 10 years or 100,000 miles, there oil filter looks like an Amsoil EaO Oil Filter which we all know is rated for 1 year or 25,000 miles.

If you ran this oil for 150,000 miles you may need to add 22 quarts of makeup oil, I believe we have heard of some members doing extended drians up to 25K and sometimes having to add oil.

I will have to look back on there site, since I saw nothing about them buying back the used oil.

 

[jonny-b]

Hi, Mystic. Synlube don't sell the used oil to customers.
Haven't you been on the other oil-board?

Their Synlube tread, gives some answers to your speculations.
Otherwise, it could be smart to get your info from the source; From Synlube.

Why don't you give him a call, and stop speculating?
Just an idea.
Your choice from where you should get your info from;
From speculations on the web, or from the people who make the products.
I don't think Pennzoil(or any other oil producesr) will give you any money for their used oil, since it is useless, after it has been inside an engine for some thousand miles.
It is a totally different product.
It is made for people who don't ask questions about it, but just keep buying it.....

Besides, Mystic, I don't know if you know it, but if you put Synlube in a new car/engine, they give a guarantee against engine failure due to oil, for a distance of 300000 miles.

This mean that your engine is insured against oil-related failures, as long as you use their product as described.

This 300000 mile interval, is if you don't change the oil(oil filters must be changed).

If you change the oil earlier, it doesn't matter, since you will get back what you paid for the oil, when you deliver back the used oil.

Still something you wonder about, or just don't understand.

P.S: See what i wrote about taking a look at the "other board".

 

[jonny-b]

Hi, c3po.

I am impressed.
Finally someone who was able to go to the Synlube website!

I guess Mystic and some others, have difficulties in where to find the info, on that page.

But, to all you other guys, who am not able to enter it; don't be afraid to ask for help!!!

It doesn't cost much.

 

[Mystic]

Hey, jonny-b said that he sent the used oil (73,000 kilometer use) back and got his money back. And if Synlube works because of all the add oil, than that has to be figured into the total price also. It already costs apparently about 32 dollars per litre. Now add in the cost of the oil that must be added to achieve the extended mileage.

Just adding a lot of oil does not change the fact that there is physical (dirt and metal filings) and chemical contamination of motor oil. Even the railroads have to change oil eventually (they are required by law) and those industrial engines use a lot of oil and there is a lot of oil added. So an oil change is needed eventually just because of oxidation and contamination. Oil filters that filter down to 5 microns do not remove chemical contamination. And oil does oxidize unless Synlube has some new advanced technology that Pennzoil, ExxonMobil, Chevron, Valvoline and all the rest do not seem to possess.

Someone said that there was a UOA of Synlube done here. The oil did well during a 16,000 mile OCI. I want to see the results of a 73,000 kilometer (45,000 mile) oil change in a UOA. After all, if we are going to buy Synlube we will have to drive extended mileage on the oil. We need to know that the oil really can hold up for 45,000 and above mileage. Maybe Synlube needs to supply some evidence that Synlube holds up well for such extended mileage.

There are some 26,000 or so people who at lease visit this website. And those 26,000 people influence many more people. That is a considerable potential customer base (although of course Pennzoil would not think so).

If Synlube wants to build up its customer base they need to have representatives here who openly represent Synlube. They could maybe pay for some advertising at this website by contacting the people who run this website. It would of course be up to the owners of this website whether they accepted such advertsing or not.

We don't need to have an under the table deal like what has been alleged for some other products.

Those representatives need to do a professional job. In other words they need to be able to communicate effectively and not insult potential customers. I personally was pretty turned off after the insults starting coming in from people here who are supposed to be just Synlube customers. Any representatives from Synlube need to realize that people at this website have a keen interest in motor oils, oil filters, and other automotive related topics and just do not accept anything that is said. Insults directed at anybody who is a naysayer do not work.

If it had not been for the insults I might have been willing to consider Synlube myself. After all, if you really can just do an oil change and then drive 100,000 miles on that one oil change, and do so safely without damaging your engine, what is not to like? But before I do something like that I want proof. After all, I am a bobistheoilguy.com guy-right? We want some proof.

 

[jonny-b]

Still, I really can not understand why people want to continue using a under performing product, like Amsoil, Mobil1 and Redline/Motul.
And, you don't even get your money back(what you paid for their oil), when you deliver it back!!!

Did I step on any toes now?

Just let me know.

 

[jonny-b]

Actually, you can be better of, using dino oil(according to the Synlube page), than using these socalled "Synthetic oils".

I guess you will have to read some time, to find it, but it is some info about it.

The key is: Reading.

For those who doesn't want to read; play some music instead, and forget about oil....

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: jonny-b
And, you don't even get your money back(what you paid for their oil), when you deliver it back!!


Where is this on the Synlube site about buying back the used oil.

 

[Mystic]

And jonny-b, I have been to the 'other board.' Tempest took a considerable pounding there. It seems to me that Synlube is not too eager to have a UOA done after extended mileage. And I do mean extended mileage. After all, is this oil supposed to last up to 300,000 miles?

This is bobistheoilguy.com jonny-b. People here tend to have a more detailed knowledge of motor oils, oil filters, grease, engines, etc. I don't accept just advertising. I learned long ago not to just accept somebody's advertising.

You know how Synlube could impress people here, jonny-b? I will tell you how. They can supply the UOA of Synlube that has been in use in an engine for 300,000 miles with no oil change and just add oil, and oil filter changes. Does that seem fair enough? After all, Synlube is supposed to last 300,000 miles-right?

Now if such a UOA could be produced, a lot of people here would sit up and take notice. I would certainly be impressed. But so far, there has been one UOA of Synlube that was used for 16,000 miles.

Anybody can put up a website and say whatever they want to say. I could put up a website and claim that I had invented the greatest motor oil the world has ever seen. That greatest motor oil the world has ever seen has to exist in fact-not just words.

You say you went 73,000 kilometers using Synlube. That is fine but how do I PERSONALLY know that you went 73,000 kilometers on one oil change using Synlube? Now don't get the wrong idea, jonny-b. I am not saying you are dishonest. I am asking a question. How do I PERSONALLY know what you say is correct? If I told you I had gone 150,000 miles on one oil change using Pennzoil conventional oil how would you know that was correct?

Incredible claims demand incredible proof. And people at this website in general want more than words at a website. They want PROOF! Is that fair enough? 300,000 mile oil changes with just one change of oil and then just add oil and filter changes sound pretty incredible to me. It probably sounds pretty incredible to the chemists and engineers who develop Pennzoil motor oils. The people who develop Pennzoil, Chevron, Valvoline, etc. motor oils probably want to see that UOA.

Words at a website mean nothing to me. I want to see the UOA of that 300,000 mile oil change.

 

[Mystic]

C3po, jonny-b says that they gave him his money back! Read his posts above. He even said that they sell the used oil.

I will admit I have not gone through all of the Synlube website. Only a little of it. But regardless what it says at that website, jonny-b said that he got his money back.

 

[Mystic]

And here it goes again. Heck, we could put this to music. 'For those who doesn't want to read; play some music instead, and forget about oil...' These words are from jonny-b.

Well, again, just reading a website does nothing for me. I want to see some proof. Incredible claims demand incredible proof. I think the average bobistheoilguy.com guy wants proof. Anybody can read advertisting or what is written at a website. How many people here accept just advertisting or what is written at a website?

 

[Mystic]

Well, I am done here. I will tell you this, jonny-b-no Synlube for me until I see some actual proof that I could buy Synlube and drive 300,000 miles on one oil change with just changes of oil filters and add oil.

Now, if there was an actual UOA done on Synlube that had been used for 300,000 miles, one oil change, on a car or truck, I would be willing to reconsider.

I am tired of hearing how I just need to go to the Synlube website and read what is written there.

Heck, I think I would be willing to accept just a 100,000 mile UOA. It would still be impressive.

Let me know when that UOA is available.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
And jonny-b, I have been to the 'other board.' Tempest took a considerable pounding there. It seems to me that Synlube is not too eager to have a UOA done after extended mileage. And I do mean extended mileage. After all, is this oil supposed to last up to 300,000 miles?


Actually the oil is supposed to last 15 years or 150,000 miles, I do have a big concern with Synlube not being to eager to have a UOA done.

I would be interested in a VOA on this oil from Synlube.

I also checked out there website, and they do a nice job of trashing Mobil 1, which is not cool in my opinion since my Mom has insisted that I use Mobil 1 in her car that now has 115,000 miles and her valvetrain looks spotless.

The Synlube Website does a good job of making a fairly good sales pitch but where is the PROOF.

jonny-b, no offense, but it looks like you opened up a can of worms.

 

[TurboJim]

Yeah you can't believe everything you read. This topic is supposed to be about Teflon. When was the last time anyone mention it?

 

[jonny-b]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
C3po, jonny-b says that they gave him his money back! Read his posts above. He even said that they sell the used oil.

I will admit I have not gone through all of the Synlube website. Only a little of it. But regardless what it says at that website, jonny-b said that he got his money back.

Hi.
I said that they will give me my money back if I return the oil.
However, I will not return it. I said that I will continue to use the same oil that I have used for 73000 kilometers.

I will install a new oil filter, though.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: TurboJim
Synlube and Tufoil both contain PTFE. Tufoil won the right to be called The Worlds Most Efficient Lubricant in the Guinness Book of World Records. That claim goes back to 1996. Has anyone taken that title away from them?

If PTFE wasn't working out for Synlube they would have removed it long ago.

I've never used Synlube but I have tried Tufoil. I could never tell when I had it in the oil and when I didn't. Others on this board had had better results with it.


I just had to go back and read this whole Teflon Thread and find out who brought up Synlube.

It's Turbo Jim, the same guy who said " This topic is supposed to be about Teflon".

Then jonny-b jumped in and the rest is history.