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Proud new owner of a 2004 Jetta TDI.

My Ram 1500 was killing me in my 64 mile a day trip to work... and Diesel is officially cheaper then 87 gasoline!!

I love the car so far shifts effortlessly and is just overall a easy car to drive.

So heres the question what oil do i run !!!?!?!

I'm thinking 5W-40 Rotella Full synthetic as that looks like what is recommended on TDI forums but not entirely..

I want to hear everyone's opinion on here!

So lets hear it boys what do the VW diesels like?!?

Thanks !
 
If I would have same car, I would use Lubro Moly oils. German oil works better for German cars, my opinion. Has VW,MB,BMW and Porsche certificates. Available thru NAPA
 
Yeah I want to aim at something widely available.

My local Menards carries T-6 lol
 
Your VW has a PD engine, you need to run a VW 505.1 oil lest your camshaft might digest itself. Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck is an acceptable alternative. Don't know about T6. You need to join tdiclub, stat. There's a lot of unique things about the VW TDI's.
 
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
German oil works better for German cars


That's the same thing(except it was humans) a certain individual said during World War II and millions followed him.

Don't believe the hype!!
 
Only the 04-06 US spec TDI's use the "PD" Pumpe Duse system, a camshaft driven unit injector with the pump and injector built into a single assembly. PD TDI's were used more extensively in European models, but I suppose that's neither here nor there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_Injector

The problem is, they made the camshaft bearings smaller to make more room for the PD injector lobes and this is where the problems arise from. Anyway, there's lots of threads about these issues on TDIclub.

Not to say that there's not people running around with 200,000+ miles on the PD engines, but your oil selection is even more critical than usual.
 
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Originally Posted By: Popinski
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
German oil works better for German cars


That's the same thing(except it was humans) a certain individual said during World War II and millions followed him.

Don't believe the hype!!


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Well if you make cars, you might want to make right oil for them. I don't think that birthplace of diesel engines won't make a good oil for it
 
Don't think t6 will work.
http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?site..._spec_home.html
My stepmother has 2003 tdi golf. Never thought about, but dealer told her that it gets their "special" syntec oil which is good for 10k-15k miles, and car was always fed with it. Runs good, has more than 100k miles, only thing it needed was fuel system and injectors cleaning, it was never done, so it didn't start one morning. After cleaning runs like a champ, great mpg
 
Originally Posted By: Brons2
Lubri Moly is a fine oil, but it's basically unobtainium in the USA at local retail outlets. You can mail order it, but that seems like a PITA to me. But if the OP insists, here is the correct 505.01 oil:
http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/produktdb.nsf/id/en_1331.html

And here's where you can order it. $37.95 for a 5 liter jug:
http://idparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2138

And NAPA has it too, you can preorder it, but it shows 53.49 for KY, might be cheaper in other states...
 
Lubro moly website also showing Top Tec 4200 5 W-30 as alternative oil good for 50k km or ones in 2 years change.
"Clearing

ACEA A3-04/B4-04/C3-04 ; BMW Longlife-04 ; MB-Freigabe 229.51 ; VW 504.00 / 507.00



LIQUI MOLY advise this product for vehicles with the following specifications: ACEA A5/B5/C2 ; API SM/CF ; BMW Longlife-01/Longlife-01 FE ; Fiat 9.55535-S1 ; MB 229.31 ; Peugeot Citroen (PSA) B 712290 ; Porsche C30 ; VW 500 00/501 01/502 00/505 00/505 01/503 00/503 01/506 00/506 01 (Ausnahme R5 und V10 TDI-Motoren vor 6/2006) "
 
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Originally Posted By: Popinski
Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
German oil works better for German cars


That's the same thing(except it was humans) a certain individual said during World War II and millions followed him.

Don't believe the hype!!



I nominate this post as the worst post of the year.
 
I run Schaeffer 9000 in mine, but would run it or any of these oils without worry: Shell Rotella T6, Amsoil DEO, Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck or PC Duron - all 5w40 synthetic CJ-4.
 
I don't personally recommend 507 oil for a PD motor. 507 is supposed to supercede all previous VW diesel specs but I'm not a fan for it's use in the PD engines.

Oh and T6 will work fine on a 2003 TDI. It's a completely different beast than the 04-06 motors. The 1996-03 TDI's have a regular rotary injection pump that fires all four cylinders.

And the 2009-11 motors are different too, they are common rail and have diesel particulate filters. 507 oil is required in those for low SAPS (0.6% max) or else your DPF might decide to plug up.
 
Originally Posted By: Brons2
Your VW has a PD engine, you need to run a VW 505.1 oil lest your camshaft might digest itself.


More PD camshafts have digested themselves on VW-spec lubricants than those without. Don't buy into the nonsense - use a 5w40 CJ-4 synthetic oil and ignore the VW specifications.

And the 'required' spec is 505.01, Brons2. Which has proven itself to be useless as far as cam protection goes.
 
Originally Posted By: SIURXP
I'm thinking 5W-40 Rotella Full synthetic as that looks like what is recommended on TDI forums but not entirely..

I would say give it a try. Delo 5W-40, which has moly, might even be better for your cam. I am not a big believer in engine-manufacturer oil specs. API CJ-4 should be good enough and probably even better, and with a synthetic, it's even a less concern.
 
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I also found out that VW specs fall into the API CG-4 category. In this case use of a modern, CJ-4 oil is much better than an oil with VW specs because CJ-4 is a much higher standard than CG-4 in many respects. I wouldn't even hesitate but look for the CJ-4 label instead of the VW label. It also looks like you can use any viscosity with that engine.

But I wouldn't use Rotella because it has no moly. Go with Delo. Rotella is popular among motorcycle people because there is an old myth that wet clutches might slip with moly. But moly, in addition to ZDDP, is a good thing if you're concerned with cam wear or fuel economy.
 
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Originally Posted By: Gokhan
I also found out that VW specs fall into the API CG-4 category. In this case use of a modern, CJ-4 oil is much better than an oil with VW specs because CJ-4 is a much higher standard than CG-4 in many respects. I wouldn't even hesitate but look for the CJ-4 label instead of the VW label. It also looks like you can use any viscosity with that engine.

But I wouldn't use Rotella because it has no moly. Go with Delo. Rotella is popular among motorcycle people because there is an old myth that wet clutches might slip with moly. But moly, in addition to ZDDP, is a good thing if you're concerned with cam wear or fuel economy.


Prior to 2004 (when PD's were introduced to the US market)... the TDI oil recommendation was:
VW505.00
or
API CF-4/CG-4
or
ACEA B3

consequently, the 505.00 oils met API CF only.
 
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