That is perfect. Please forward those to the DA.
SUV driver runs over bikers
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Originally Posted By: 02SE
I think this pretty conclusively shows that these punks aren't the innocent victims that they and their ambulance-chasing lawyers are desperately trying to portray them as.
In fact, they are blatantly lying about what took place. Fortunately, Video doesn't lie.
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Subconsciously the race card is being played.
Black perps are trying to send the message that they are being made out to be evil. LOL
I think this pretty conclusively shows that these punks aren't the innocent victims that they and their ambulance-chasing lawyers are desperately trying to portray them as.
In fact, they are blatantly lying about what took place. Fortunately, Video doesn't lie.
LINK
Subconsciously the race card is being played.
Black perps are trying to send the message that they are being made out to be evil. LOL
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Something albeit similar in only the fact it was a group of bikes happened to me about 8 years back.
2 lane road that goes to one after a light. I am in the left lane which is what stays, right lane goes away.
A group of sportbikes pulls up behind me and in the right lane. Why they didn't all just get in the right lane and pass me I'll never know. That is really what they wanted to do. Light turns green and we are off, the right lane guys pass me mostly, as taking it as slow as possible. Then they get in front of me and take each side of the lane. Basically leaving a hole for me to drive through, then they slow down below the speed limit. Now the rear ones are tailgating me.
I can only assume they were ticked I just didn't let them all pass illegally. Lane splitting is illegal in PA but lots do it, whatever I could care less except the douches that do it solely so they can rev their exhaust in ear at lights. They don't have any need for that when at idle their exhaust is loud enough. If their bike can't idle and they must do that to keep it from stalling then in shouldn't be on the road. Like I said, there is NO good reason to do it.
So I took my opportunity to get away From them blowing my horn the whole time. In my youth I make have given them a universal greeting as well for holding me up on purpose and just being douches about it.
Well then I get to the next light and I am surrounded by them just like the SUV, constant loud revving, yada yada. Then they all take off and pass me again.
Seriously it is the pack mentality they must think 10 witnesses saying I at fault means they win. I was in a slow as [censored] car, I couldn't keep up with a v6 sedan if I tried. They could have just passed me and moved along. I would not have cared.
I personally hope they get everything that is coming to them. I would have ran them over as well.
People who ride daily are completely respectful I know of good amount of them. I have M license as well I just don't ride daily or much these days, never bought a motorcycle just borrowed a ride every now & then.
2 lane road that goes to one after a light. I am in the left lane which is what stays, right lane goes away.
A group of sportbikes pulls up behind me and in the right lane. Why they didn't all just get in the right lane and pass me I'll never know. That is really what they wanted to do. Light turns green and we are off, the right lane guys pass me mostly, as taking it as slow as possible. Then they get in front of me and take each side of the lane. Basically leaving a hole for me to drive through, then they slow down below the speed limit. Now the rear ones are tailgating me.
I can only assume they were ticked I just didn't let them all pass illegally. Lane splitting is illegal in PA but lots do it, whatever I could care less except the douches that do it solely so they can rev their exhaust in ear at lights. They don't have any need for that when at idle their exhaust is loud enough. If their bike can't idle and they must do that to keep it from stalling then in shouldn't be on the road. Like I said, there is NO good reason to do it.
So I took my opportunity to get away From them blowing my horn the whole time. In my youth I make have given them a universal greeting as well for holding me up on purpose and just being douches about it.
Well then I get to the next light and I am surrounded by them just like the SUV, constant loud revving, yada yada. Then they all take off and pass me again.
Seriously it is the pack mentality they must think 10 witnesses saying I at fault means they win. I was in a slow as [censored] car, I couldn't keep up with a v6 sedan if I tried. They could have just passed me and moved along. I would not have cared.
I personally hope they get everything that is coming to them. I would have ran them over as well.
People who ride daily are completely respectful I know of good amount of them. I have M license as well I just don't ride daily or much these days, never bought a motorcycle just borrowed a ride every now & then.
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Mykl
The driver of the truck showed more restraint than I would have.
I don't know if he could have done much more. Even if he had a gun; if you have 30 biker dudes beating your [censored], you don't stand a chance.
That is a no win situation, even if you use lethal force to defend yourself.
Defensive driving 101:
The most deadly weapon you have is your vehicle, in this case a pretty good one a big SUV.
If he feared bodily harm to him or his family he needed to switch gears so to speak from normal driver to survival driving.
1. Keep moving, speed is safety, stopping as seen at the end of the video can be deadly.
2. Their are only two types of surfaces, drivable and undrivable. Sidewalks, medians, grass, are all GTG, especially with a 4wd.
3. If traffic impedes you move it, ie ram your way threw. Just don't do it fast enough to disable your vehicle.
4. Get in contact with authorities and keep them updated as to your location.
I would have used that Range Rovers power to push the Camry out of my way, or reversed and went over the bikers. With a wife and small child in the vehicle, I would not have allowed that window to be smashed even if it meant popping it in 4 wheel and going over some bikers.
Pushing the Camry could be an incredibly[/i] bad idea: is the Range Rover like many cars, where the air bag firing will kill the engine?
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Mykl
The driver of the truck showed more restraint than I would have.
I don't know if he could have done much more. Even if he had a gun; if you have 30 biker dudes beating your [censored], you don't stand a chance.
That is a no win situation, even if you use lethal force to defend yourself.
Defensive driving 101:
The most deadly weapon you have is your vehicle, in this case a pretty good one a big SUV.
If he feared bodily harm to him or his family he needed to switch gears so to speak from normal driver to survival driving.
1. Keep moving, speed is safety, stopping as seen at the end of the video can be deadly.
2. Their are only two types of surfaces, drivable and undrivable. Sidewalks, medians, grass, are all GTG, especially with a 4wd.
3. If traffic impedes you move it, ie ram your way threw. Just don't do it fast enough to disable your vehicle.
4. Get in contact with authorities and keep them updated as to your location.
I would have used that Range Rovers power to push the Camry out of my way, or reversed and went over the bikers. With a wife and small child in the vehicle, I would not have allowed that window to be smashed even if it meant popping it in 4 wheel and going over some bikers.
Pushing the Camry could be an incredibly[/i] bad idea: is the Range Rover like many cars, where the air bag firing will kill the engine?
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
I didn't see a brake check so much as I saw an idiot on a white sportbike pulling too close in front and then gradually slowing down. Looked like he got bumped. Doesn't even look like he went down.
Couldn't really see what happened that made the Range Rover driver counter the stupidity of the sportbike rider with what may have been more stupidity or may have been legitimate defensive action.
I've ridden in large groups on multiple occasions. I have only observed one attack on a car driver. A drunk that ran a redlight and clipped the back wheel of one of the riders. He hit several other bikes trying to get away. He was dragged out of the window and beaten while I checked on the downed rider. (he was okay. little banged up)
Cops left him in handcuffs on the ground bleeding while they questioned us. He was the only one that got arrested that night.
Then the cops made a mistake in not arresting those who committed an assault. I get that the drunk (alleged) driver ran a red light and hit one of the bikers, thus committing a crime (DUI) and a traffic infraction and endangering others.
The cops should have been charged as accessories after the fact. The attackers should have spent the rest of their lives in prison.
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How do you justify the commission of another crime (felony assault & battery...by multiple assailants) in what can only be described as retaliation? Had the driver been armed, he would have been justified in shooting those members of your group committing the assault. Clear, simple self defense against a larger group with intent to do serious bodily injury.
You can't just beat someone up because you're angry about what they've done. That's a crime.
And it's too bad the driver DIDN'T have a nice pistolized 12-bore in his console loaded with 00 buck.
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
I didn't see a brake check so much as I saw an idiot on a white sportbike pulling too close in front and then gradually slowing down. Looked like he got bumped. Doesn't even look like he went down.
Couldn't really see what happened that made the Range Rover driver counter the stupidity of the sportbike rider with what may have been more stupidity or may have been legitimate defensive action.
I've ridden in large groups on multiple occasions. I have only observed one attack on a car driver. A drunk that ran a redlight and clipped the back wheel of one of the riders. He hit several other bikes trying to get away. He was dragged out of the window and beaten while I checked on the downed rider. (he was okay. little banged up)
Cops left him in handcuffs on the ground bleeding while they questioned us. He was the only one that got arrested that night.
Then the cops made a mistake in not arresting those who committed an assault. I get that the drunk (alleged) driver ran a red light and hit one of the bikers, thus committing a crime (DUI) and a traffic infraction and endangering others.
The cops should have been charged as accessories after the fact. The attackers should have spent the rest of their lives in prison.
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How do you justify the commission of another crime (felony assault & battery...by multiple assailants) in what can only be described as retaliation? Had the driver been armed, he would have been justified in shooting those members of your group committing the assault. Clear, simple self defense against a larger group with intent to do serious bodily injury.
You can't just beat someone up because you're angry about what they've done. That's a crime.
And it's too bad the driver DIDN'T have a nice pistolized 12-bore in his console loaded with 00 buck.
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: Fleetmon
I meant it is surprising the NYCP hasn't done anything up until now....most average citizens would be caught within blocks of their house with no registration plates or expired inspection stickers....it's quite obvious the police didn't WANT to do anything about it.....can't say I blame them either since their dispatcher would have sent one car with two officers to "investigate".
Do away with Bloomberg and do away with most of the city's ills!
But, you're right, with no plates to identify them the punks are fair game as far as I'm concerned.
Actually, NYC has been doing a lot about it since 2005.
They started putting random checkpoints all around NYC, where anyone on a motorcycle, no matter what they are doing, is forced to pull over, provide all their documents (license, registration, insurance, etc), and has their bike looked over with a fine tooth comb until the police determine one of two things:
The bike is completely stock, and the rider is fully documented, and released, or;
The rider is missing something, or the bike is not stock, and is then impounded. Even if the rider is fully insured, and it's in the system, if the rider has an expired insurance or registration card on him, and presents it to the officer, even if the officer's computer system shows that the bike is currently registered and insured, they will impound and damage your motorcycle.
This has been happening since 2005 when I started randomly getting pulled over on my way to work when I was in the middle of stop and go traffic, time and time again, just blocks away from my office building.
After the third time it happened in a week, I asked the officer what's going on, and he said there's a change in police policy about motorcyclists in NYC, and that I should get used to being pulled over from now on, even if I didn't do anything wrong at all, like I hadn't 3 different times in the same week.
I lucked out, and moved out of NYC a year after this stuff started happening.
So, NYC is doing something about the motorcycle issue you want them to fix, the only problem is that they are not able to be everywhere at the same time that the bad motorcyclists are.
BC.
How many guys on their sportbikes or dual-sports just see the checkpoint, whip around, and take off? Heck, I have seen them do that around here. Saw a dude on a CBR get lit up after pulling a wheelie on the highway...he didn't stop, he punched it! The cop didn't even try to catch him.
Originally Posted By: Fleetmon
I meant it is surprising the NYCP hasn't done anything up until now....most average citizens would be caught within blocks of their house with no registration plates or expired inspection stickers....it's quite obvious the police didn't WANT to do anything about it.....can't say I blame them either since their dispatcher would have sent one car with two officers to "investigate".
Do away with Bloomberg and do away with most of the city's ills!
But, you're right, with no plates to identify them the punks are fair game as far as I'm concerned.
Actually, NYC has been doing a lot about it since 2005.
They started putting random checkpoints all around NYC, where anyone on a motorcycle, no matter what they are doing, is forced to pull over, provide all their documents (license, registration, insurance, etc), and has their bike looked over with a fine tooth comb until the police determine one of two things:
The bike is completely stock, and the rider is fully documented, and released, or;
The rider is missing something, or the bike is not stock, and is then impounded. Even if the rider is fully insured, and it's in the system, if the rider has an expired insurance or registration card on him, and presents it to the officer, even if the officer's computer system shows that the bike is currently registered and insured, they will impound and damage your motorcycle.
This has been happening since 2005 when I started randomly getting pulled over on my way to work when I was in the middle of stop and go traffic, time and time again, just blocks away from my office building.
After the third time it happened in a week, I asked the officer what's going on, and he said there's a change in police policy about motorcyclists in NYC, and that I should get used to being pulled over from now on, even if I didn't do anything wrong at all, like I hadn't 3 different times in the same week.
I lucked out, and moved out of NYC a year after this stuff started happening.
So, NYC is doing something about the motorcycle issue you want them to fix, the only problem is that they are not able to be everywhere at the same time that the bad motorcyclists are.
BC.
How many guys on their sportbikes or dual-sports just see the checkpoint, whip around, and take off? Heck, I have seen them do that around here. Saw a dude on a CBR get lit up after pulling a wheelie on the highway...he didn't stop, he punched it! The cop didn't even try to catch him.
Originally Posted By: Mykl
All it would take is one or two undercover police joining the pack on sport bikes telling their coworkers where to set up a road block. If they're fond of freeways it shouldn't be terribly difficult to set up a road block that a bike can't easily drive around.
A length of 1/2" steel cable about 3' off the ground and securely anchored on both sides would work nicely. So would a drum of ball bearings on the road at a corner!
All it would take is one or two undercover police joining the pack on sport bikes telling their coworkers where to set up a road block. If they're fond of freeways it shouldn't be terribly difficult to set up a road block that a bike can't easily drive around.
A length of 1/2" steel cable about 3' off the ground and securely anchored on both sides would work nicely. So would a drum of ball bearings on the road at a corner!
Referring to the quote in the above post, apparently there was at least one undercover cop involved in the ride, that did nothing at the time of the incident. He also didn't report that he was there, until days later. It sounds like he might have some explaining to do.
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I also want to reiterate that as a Motorcyclist and more specifically a Sportbike rider myself, not all riders ride and behave like the idiots in the videos. In fact I don't know any riders that act like the morons in these videos.
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I also want to reiterate that as a Motorcyclist and more specifically a Sportbike rider myself, not all riders ride and behave like the idiots in the videos. In fact I don't know any riders that act like the morons in these videos.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
http://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-inve...-beaten-2013-10
Now it's 6 undercover cops.
I'm really not surprised, I am disappointed though.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-inve...-beaten-2013-10
Now it's 6 undercover cops.
I'm really not surprised, I am disappointed though.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
http://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-inve...-beaten-2013-10
Now it's 6 undercover cops.
Wait....... what?
I don't even know what to say, what's the point of the police if not to stop violence? What more important crimes could they have possibly been trying to prevent?
http://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-inve...-beaten-2013-10
Now it's 6 undercover cops.
Wait....... what?
I don't even know what to say, what's the point of the police if not to stop violence? What more important crimes could they have possibly been trying to prevent?
Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
http://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-inve...-beaten-2013-10
Now it's 6 undercover cops.
Wait....... what?
I don't even know what to say, what's the point of the police if not to stop violence? What more important crimes could they have possibly been trying to prevent?
I'd be interested in hearing their reasoning, but it does make one wonder. I will be extremely disappointed in the police if A)They had ability and didn't do anything B)The police force members aren't penalized for not helping if they did have the ability to help.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
http://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-inve...-beaten-2013-10
Now it's 6 undercover cops.
Wait....... what?
I don't even know what to say, what's the point of the police if not to stop violence? What more important crimes could they have possibly been trying to prevent?
I'd be interested in hearing their reasoning, but it does make one wonder. I will be extremely disappointed in the police if A)They had ability and didn't do anything B)The police force members aren't penalized for not helping if they did have the ability to help.
Originally Posted By: 02SE
I also want to reiterate that as a Motorcyclist and more specifically a Sportbike rider myself, not all riders ride and behave like the idiots in the videos. In fact I don't know any riders that act like the morons in these videos.
Ya, these are not you usual bikers, but rather a gang on wheels.
Police should be ashamed for allowing this to happen.
If the video didn't go viral, no one probably would be charged.
I also want to reiterate that as a Motorcyclist and more specifically a Sportbike rider myself, not all riders ride and behave like the idiots in the videos. In fact I don't know any riders that act like the morons in these videos.
Ya, these are not you usual bikers, but rather a gang on wheels.
Police should be ashamed for allowing this to happen.
If the video didn't go viral, no one probably would be charged.
I still think the best part is that most of the evidence that points to it being an assault and that directly contradicts what the bikers are saying,
comes from footage shot by the bikers.
comes from footage shot by the bikers.
Too bad the SUV didn't have electric shocker door handles, bulletproof glass, run-flats and a few other goodies:
http://www.texasarmoring.com/optional_equipment_texas_armoring_corporation.html
http://www.texasarmoring.com/optional_equipment_texas_armoring_corporation.html
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