SUV driver runs over bikers

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: Astro14

His flight wasn't intended to harm, just to leave, but even if it had been intended to harm those riders, it was still the reasonable, proportional response to the lethal threat that they collectively posed to the driver and family.


If his intent was to harm all he had to do was throw it in reverse and gun it.

 

[The_Jeff]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81e_1380656714

Jalopnik and liveleak are all over this.

This video was posted by one of the helmet cam riders from the current melee but was then yanked from youtube. No matter, someone else already downloaded and reposted it.

Skip up to 1:15, where they block traffic and pound on the windows of an innocent prius that feels justified in going through a green light.

These thugs try to shut down boulevards for their exclusive use doing stunts and whatnot.

 

[97tbird]

Astro14 put it beautifully. Exactly what needed to be said and understood.

 

[97tbird]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81e_1380656714

Jalopnik and liveleak are all over this.

This video was posted by one of the helmet cam riders from the current melee but was then yanked from youtube. No matter, someone else already downloaded and reposted it.

Skip up to 1:15, where they block traffic and pound on the windows of an innocent prius that feels justified in going through a green light.

These thugs try to shut down boulevards for their exclusive use doing stunts and whatnot.


wow that's interesting - and scary - so these thugs/retards/criminals just ride around and pick random cars to intimidate...
Can't even count how many times they clearly violate traffic rules in all videos...riding wrong way, crossing yellow lines and riding nearly into on coming cars.

These misfits should be beaten in public.

 

[Mykl]

All it would take is one or two undercover police joining the pack on sport bikes telling their coworkers where to set up a road block. If they're fond of freeways it shouldn't be terribly difficult to set up a road block that a bike can't easily drive around.

 

[DuckRyder]

Updated link - still includes today show footage...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/...ria-allred?lite

Quote:
Asked whether Lien was within his legal rights to race away from the scene of his accident with Cruz, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said he might have been.
"It depends on whether or not your vehicle is being attacked, whether or not you think you’re being attacked, whether or not your wife and child are in the car. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances and that’s what we’re doing,” he said Tuesday.
"Obviously, if you can get out of there without hurting someone, that’s what we advise you to do," he added. "There’s no one-size-fits-all to a situation like this."

 

[DoiInthanon]

In the Navy, we trained 'immediate action' drills. That is any threat produced immediate action from everyone in the group. No orders given. ie Ambush in a vehicle - our immediate action drills often included hitting the gas to escape as the first option.

I am sure today, if someone tried to assult me in my vehicle with the family aboard, I would hit the gas to escape regardless of the killed or injured. Certainly these videos would have put me in fear of my life and the lives of my family.

Fortunately if unable to escape life threatening situations, Missouri provides the option of lethal force if you are assaulted and in fear of your life. An option more valuable as you age and become less able to fight or flee.

 

[65cuda]

Originally Posted By: brave sir robin
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: brave sir robin
you might want to re read this article. specifically the part where it says

"Alexian Lien's Range Rover was the man attacked by motorcyclists after he accidentally hit a biker


Again, look at the video.


ok this is my fault I didn't put the word "accidentally" in quotations in my original post sarcasm doesn't go over very clearly when typing.

The man clearly ran the smacktard rider over.
Just to be 100% clear

1. Stunters are annoying but are not a violent biker gang. It's just a semi random bunch of dim wits doing tricks on the road. They aren't exactly hells angels or freaking mad max...cheese and rice
2. Dude didn't have to run the rider over.
3. Riders get violent when they watch a guy get squashed right in front of them.
4. Dude gets beaten because he just ran over a fellow rider. This part isn't exactly rocket surgery here guys.

its a series of bad decisions made by all involved.


Sorry but I totally disagree. You have no way of knowing if they were violent or just anoying. Pulling in front of you and brake checking is more than being annoying. If you pull that kind of stunt by me with a couple of dozen riders I have to believe I'm in danger especially if my wife and kids are with me. If you are stupid enough to try blocking me then be prepared to run because if need be I WILL run over you to get away. The rider wouldn't have been run over if they hadn't decided to scare people so he got the results.

 

[HTSS_TR]

So far, the vast majority of opinions here are the SUV drivers did what he had to do to save his family and himself from being harm by a mob of gangsters(not bikers who are mostly not so stupid). Only few try to defend the out of control bikers.

If I was in the same shoe as the driver of that SUV I would do similar thing, my family life and my life are all I care in that situation, I don't care much for the life of any one of those thugs. In escaping the danger being shown to my family, I would careless if I have to drive over those scumbags.

I hope that I will never be in that situation.

PS Most bikers down here in So Cal are very nice, we share the road without any incident. In heavy traffic or not, I usually steer my car closer to other lane so bikers has more room to pass, and usually they acknowledge my gesture.

I don't ride because I think it's dangerous, therefore I respect and try to give as much room as possible to bikers.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: DoiInthanon
In the Navy, we trained 'immediate action' drills. That is any threat produced immediate action from everyone in the group. No orders given. ie Ambush in a vehicle - our immediate action drills often included hitting the gas to escape as the first option.

I am sure today, if someone tried to assult me in my vehicle with the family aboard, I would hit the gas to escape regardless of the killed or injured. Certainly these videos would have put me in fear of my life and the lives of my family.

Fortunately if unable to escape life threatening situations, Missouri provides the option of lethal force if you are assaulted and in fear of your life. An option more valuable as you age and become less able to fight or flee.


I am also trained to react almost automatically. Add in some PTSD and you may not wish to mess with me. Had myself and my Family been in the exact situation that APPEARED to be represented on that vid someone would have had .45 perforation damage. No question at all.

As I age I realize I have less physical ability to defend myself against a young thug type. I am not about to engage them physically unless forced to.

IMO a few bikers were very lucky, that was assault pure and simple...

 

[webfors]

The police should lay down some bike appropriate spikes, blow their tires, problem solved. Why let them run around road blocks. Simple solution to a dangerous problem.

 

[Shannow]

Don't need spikes, just rope...stretched around neck height.

 

[Cujet]

And NY residents are allowed to have only 7 rounds, if they can get a permit at all.

This type of mob violence is exactly why gun and magazine capacity restrictions simply hurt the innocent and foster criminal behavior.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: webfors
The police should lay down some bike appropriate spikes, blow their tires, problem solved. Why let them run around road blocks. Simple solution to a dangerous problem.


Setting up a road block to stop bikes from passing through can't be all that difficult. The hard part is knowing where to set up the road block.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Cujet


This type of mob violence is exactly why gun and magazine capacity restrictions simply hurt the innocent and foster criminal behavior.


It sure does.

 

[kb01]

That's the first I've seen of the incident -- Definitely scary stuff.

I still can't tell what they were attempting to do. Did they try to shut the highway down, so they can do stunts, and then took out their anger on the one remaining vehicle? It's blatantly obvious the guy who brake-checked was having a power play with the SUV and trying to intimidate the driver.

I can unequivocally say there's absolutely no way I'd stop my vehicle in that situation, even if it meant running over one of the thug's buddies.

I can't imagine anyone would stop and get out of his car in that situation. You'd have to have a death wish to do so.

 

[demarpaint]

It's really a shame when they were smashing the window that the driver didn't have a gun. He could have said "say hello to my little friend," just before he opened fire. In all honestly the situation sickens me. The more I watch the video the more I realize I'd have no problem running them over.

The guy that got run over wants to sue. I hope they laugh him and his family out of the court room, rather than waste taxpayers money and time.

 

[Drew99GT]

The aunt defending her nephew that got run over is now claiming it was racially motivated. As in the Asian guy had it out for the biker because he's black.

 

[webfors]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
The aunt defending her nephew that got run over is now claiming it was racially motivated. As in the Asian guy had it out for the biker because he's black.

Pathetic. Where has common sense gone? What was once right is now wrong, and wrong is now right. What a mess.

 

[pandus13]

Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
The aunt defending her nephew that got run over is now claiming it was racially motivated. As in the Asian guy had it out for the biker because he's black.

Pathetic. Where has common sense gone? What was once right is now wrong, and wrong is now right. What a mess.

i got some appliances delivered to my house. while pulling down the ramp from the truck, a little guy on a toy minibike appears out of nowhere, comes really fast to the truck, brakes, and stops about 1/2 a foot from the said ramp. if he stopped 1 foot further, he will have had a thinner neck/ a broken neck/ one head shorter. then he runs away.
us 3 adults where looking really amazed at each other.
i bought those guys a beer. if they put up with this kind of stuff every day, they have my respect.