What city are you in ?
I’m moving out of Florida within 3 years. No more hurricanes for me.
Survived storm Helene unscathed
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What city are you in ?
I’m moving out of Florida within 3 years. No more hurricanes for me.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
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Good for you.Oh , I been in the bull's eye all my life. Only reason I am still here is to care for a 90 year old stubborn mother-in-law who will not move even when invited to move with us into a new home to the north. Main reason is I have (2) grandchildren and a son and his wife still here who I want to see often enought to keep me in the eye of the storms. Yep. I am 35 miles south west of New Orleans , La. My oldest son escaped in 2006 and moved near other family in Nashville, Tn.
Yup, absolutely beautiful country there.
Have spent about 12 or more years at least once a year riding up there with my wife on the bike.
I saw your post and just found this picture quickly, taking a selfie with the dam in the background.
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SammyChevelleTypeS3
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There is a spot in the Smokeys national park we used to go up to and look down upon the lake & dam. I think this place was Clingman's Dome. One of the most beautiful sights I have seen up there. When looking down upon the lake from the elevation it is simply a sight unlike any I have seen before. You can see the very deep blue color of the lake that makes it stand out and really easy to spot in the surrounding area.
where are you on the coast?
A few pics of the Fontana dam, the spillway, and visitors center. My father who was born in 1910, worked on the building of the dam during WWll for the TVA and lived in the Fontana Village that was built to house the workers. My parents were married in 1930 so when war was declared on12/8/41 they had already had 4 kids so my father was exempt from military service but served his country by working on the dam which was essential for supplying power to Oak Ridge, TN as part of the Manhattan Project.
Again…,
That set up was perfect for this to happen….
And the idea of 100, 500 or 1,000 year flooding is made up gibberish in my opinion.
Last I checked no real truly accurate records or river or creek monitoring happened 100 or 500 or 1,000 years ago or further back in time.
Anywhere in the mountains near a flat area with a stream or creek or river nearby… Could possibly be considered a flood zone….
I have ZERO doubt where I stayed at in Cruso NC near Cold mountain that whole area was flooded extremely badly in this storm… The place the wife and I stayed at was elevated quite a little ways up on the side of the mountain. But I GUARANTEE that Rte 276 was flooded and likely destroyed in this storm’s flood. Wouldn’t shock me a bit if that happened.
And I’d bet Canton NC was flooded badly and so was Waynesville..
A slowing tropical system and the northwest turn of it putting the area of upslope northeast Georgia, northwest South Carolina and western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee in the crosshairs of what would happen. The long fetch off the Gulf of Mexico and then the Atlantic Ocean and the strong high pressure center to the east which aided that fetch of moisture transport into that region and that approaching cold front which further squeezed all that moisture out of that system has well…,
You get what happened.
Hurricane Floyd dropped over 24 inches of rainfall in southeast NC and 12-20 inches into southeast and eastern Virginia. The media called it a 500 year flood in Franklin Virginia…
Severe flooding will result in a bad atmospheric set up.
I’m not surprised or shocked by that happening there.
I feel very bad for those affected. But homes and vehicles can be replaced…
People can’t be.
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Please post a national Weather forcast showing this level of flooding? As I said, flash flood warning are every decent rainfall in that area, but this time buildings that have been there 100 years are floating away.
Seems like your simply trying to use my comment to take a victory lap for your prediction in your other thread, but you didn't predict this part either.
I know Clingmans dome well but unsure of a lake, a lot of times it is foggy up there as you are actually in the clouds.
On our motorcycle trips we would pick up 441 from Maggie Valley to Gatlinburg. Stopped there a few times. The whole area is just amazing, or was amazing from Lake Lure, Chimney Rock, Asheville to pigeon forge, Fontana Dam, Tail of the Dragon, Pigeon forge.
Sometimes we would start in Cashiers which is a great place to start going up, lots of waterfalls.
Last time we were up there was 2021 and included a stop in the Asheville Arts district for the day. I guess it's all gone destroyed now. I saw some photos of the district where the water was a few feet from the top of the tall street lights.
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Death toll tripled in Asheville to 30 and they haven’t even begun to look as the place is still in accessible.Helene death toll over 120 and increasing.
Some bodies were found in trees and I fear just the tip of the iceberg.
My wife and I felt an attachment to the entire area because we traveled so much of it on annual and semi annual motorcycle vacations. I mean like everywhere there, large and small towns.
Even day trips to Asheville, early dinner at the Tupelo Honey Cafe with the kids.
Ps. My son and his family still no power but BMW now does and starting up production again
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Not a doggone victory lap.. I think this is a terrible, terrible event here… No doubt about it.
I highly doubt that the NWS forecasters at the Greenville- Spartanburg office were all that surprised by this event either. They know what happens when a tropical system interacts with higher terrain and then slows down and puts their forecast area in the front right quadrant of that storm…
In this case it quite likely was issued as an EMERGENCY Flash Flood warning was issued…
I’d bet good, good money on that being done in this circumstance.
The local NWS offices in that region do a very good job.
I am going to give you a very helpful webpage to go to…. That will help give a you an insight on what can happen. And why I was not surprised in this circumstance … The WPC aka the Weather Prediction Center.. A part of the NWS …. The WPC had that entire region in RED …. For the Excessive rainfall forecast… I saw that and know exactly what means…
THAT IS THE BIGGEST REASON why I was not surprised by this event….
A Weather Prediction Center product … Part of the NWS is why I was not surprised here…
When the SPC aka the Storm Prediction Center puts out a red zone high risk area for severe thunderstorms and tornadoes… And the next day or the same day there are long track tornadoes that EF-3, EF-4s… That doesn’t SURPRISE me either when that happens…
The WPC doesn’t do that routinely… Neither does the SPC … . And if they put that out a high risk zone …
ITS BLANKING serious when they do that. People need to pay attention to those events… Because it’s no longer play time…. It’s very serious.
You wanna guess what a red zone in the WPC Excessive Rainfall forecast means ???
Let me tell you…, 10-20 maybe more inches of rain are not totally out of the question in certain circumstances.
A day before that massive tornado outbreak in April 2011…. There was a large area in Alabama, Tennessee into Georgia that was outlined in a red zone for severe weather the next day…
Was I shocked by that massive tornado outbreak the next day ?
Nope… I was not.
Same thing with this terribly bad circumstance.
The overall atmospheric set up gave this a strong possibility of happening.
Now…
Let me make this overwhelming clear….
There is no way in the green Earth anyone could forecast ACCURATELY with tremendous PRECISE resolution where EXACTLY the rain bands would set up…. And WHERE EXACTLY the inflow patterns would set up…
Therefore there is no way ANYONE would know what EXACT rivers, streams or creeks would see amazing amounts of water go into them…
That forecast RESOLUTION is NOT possible… Especially 1-2 days ahead in time…
A somewhat similar set up flooding event happened in my area in Sept 1999 with Floyd….
Only difference was no mountains nearby to cause more rainfall due to upslope condition and that Hurricane Floyd picked up forward speed has it moved northeastward vs this storm being pushed westward by a strong area of high pressure to its east… . If it had not done that… It would have been a fair amount worse in my area.
Northeast NC had places with almost 25 inches of rainfall in Floyd…. Lumberton NC was hit extremely hard by the flooding after that hurricane.
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I'm feeling very lucky, living on the coast. Power out for only 23 hours. Have a generator that runs six circuits in our home. Nothing like Matthew where we were displaced for two months while our home was rebuilt from flooding. Daughter may get her power back on this evening.
I came from the Midwest in Tornado Alley. I'll take a hurricane over tornadoes any day.
BTW. Being a flat lander I don't like mountains. Pretty to look at but not for me.
I came from the Midwest in Tornado Alley. I'll take a hurricane over tornadoes any day.
BTW. Being a flat lander I don't like mountains. Pretty to look at but not for me.
“ We still expect a very rare and significant amount of rainfall and some areas across the mtns and adjacent zones will see catastrophic and damaging flooding by the later near term. Once the rainfall gets above ten inches of rain or more, we often see numerous reports of landslides across the high terrain.”
From the NWS office Greenville- Spartanburg forecast discussion on 9/2524 at 825 pm that evening.
“ These storms will be capable of producing high rainfall rates and pose a risk of localized flooding outside/east of the PRE area mentioned above. All this precip is expected to occur before the rainfall associated with TC Helene begins moving into our area on Thurs. Thus, more widespread flooding is likely with this tropical system. Please remain weather aware over the next few days, the potential for major to catastrophic flooding over parts of our fcst area is looking more likely.”
From the NWS office Greenville- Spartanburg forecast discussion on 9/2524 at 825 pm that evening.
If you really want to know what the forecasters really think… Read the forecast discussions.
They KNEW it was going to be really, really terrible.
They weren’t surprised here.
From the NWS office Greenville- Spartanburg forecast discussion on 9/2524 at 825 pm that evening.
“ These storms will be capable of producing high rainfall rates and pose a risk of localized flooding outside/east of the PRE area mentioned above. All this precip is expected to occur before the rainfall associated with TC Helene begins moving into our area on Thurs. Thus, more widespread flooding is likely with this tropical system. Please remain weather aware over the next few days, the potential for major to catastrophic flooding over parts of our fcst area is looking more likely.”
From the NWS office Greenville- Spartanburg forecast discussion on 9/2524 at 825 pm that evening.
If you really want to know what the forecasters really think… Read the forecast discussions.
They KNEW it was going to be really, really terrible.
They weren’t surprised here.
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We were not as fortunate in Simpsonville. I have over 100 trees down on my 3.6 acres alone. My neighborhood looks like a war zone. Thankfully the trees fell all around my home. We’re still without power and water (well). I cut a tree off my camper and headed to the coast to camp with my wife, 3 kids, and 2 dogs. Myrtle Beach state park has been good to us. No fighting for gas, food, etc. did laundry here as well. Back to reality on Friday when my new chainsaw arrives via UPS…
My son in Spartanburg still has no power.
He mentioned something like maybe by October 5th or 7th.
It must be pretty bad because he is in a regular community with underground utilities
BMW has ramped up production again
He mentioned something like maybe by October 5th or 7th.
It must be pretty bad because he is in a regular community with underground utilities
BMW has ramped up production again
Where in S-ville? I'm over near Heritage Park and some places were almost untouched and others looked like war zones
Clark Manor community near Carolina Oaks golf course. I have over 100 trees down in my yard alone. It looks like a microburst went through my neighborhood. FEMA even stopped by due to trees on neighbors garages/houses/cars. Wewere one of the lucky ones. Still no power/water. Projected to be restored tomorrow at midnight.
Meanwhile in Myrtle Beach!
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