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Originally Posted By: wemay
I know this test was almost a year ago but PQIA's 'spotlight on synthetics' mega test showed Supertech to be comparable to many brand name syns. Any thoughts on this oil?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
wemay,
My uncle when he was alive used it and was satisfied it was a good oil. No complaints. My buddy tried it once just prior to our annual trip to Arizona but didn't it was bad NOR felt any improvements.
My personal 2 cents. If it's priced right then go for it. After all synthetic is a better lube but everything is expensive. I'm sure it's good for 6K OCI's.
Durango
I know this test was almost a year ago but PQIA's 'spotlight on synthetics' mega test showed Supertech to be comparable to many brand name syns. Any thoughts on this oil?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
wemay,
My uncle when he was alive used it and was satisfied it was a good oil. No complaints. My buddy tried it once just prior to our annual trip to Arizona but didn't it was bad NOR felt any improvements.
My personal 2 cents. If it's priced right then go for it. After all synthetic is a better lube but everything is expensive. I'm sure it's good for 6K OCI's.
Durango
It will work just fine if changed at reasonable intervals!
Originally Posted By: Trav
Thats is my point. The uncertainty of the product and the fact the brand names are sold in the US at fire sale prices anyway makes ST very unappealing to me as does any "house brand".
I may use it in an old junk if i was broke and turning every penny over twice before spending it.
I see posters saying things like "it meets the spec". Well a doctor who is last in his class but passed is still called doctor but i wouldn't want to go to him if you follow my reasoning.
The recycled stuff stuff meets spec also but no way in Hades am i putting that in my engine.
I stated my opinion and some don't like it but i could care less. Its their car and their money, it makes no difference to me.
If someone can post a link to the ST PDS i would like to read it, not warren or safety clean as we don't know if they didn't change the formula just for Walmart.
When you compare an oil, peel the label off. The label is not important, the oil inside is.
Warren PP is a very good oil, better than other brands and their products can be found in other "brands" such as Peak. In fact, a lot of its rebranded products are remarkably consistent. If you compare the actual product, then it would be a mute point. Sure, it is not as good as Mobil 1 Extended Performance, but for the price, it is the best non-sale option.
So if a Doc gets out of school, keeps his license in good standing, what is "wrong" about his practice? Unless you have the modifier "Senator" or are a VP of an oil company, chances are you are not getting the top-of-the-class treatment. Still, the application of oil is kinda like going the doctor for a sinus infection... very basic. Even then, being the best test-taker does not mean you are getting the best practical product. You think your mechanic you take your car to has a PhD in mechanical engineering and has passed his PE in the top 10%?
Standards are what ensures that something is consistent. Thus, that idea about walmart lacking consistency is out the window. The standards are there for a reason. Other than some mis-labled XXx30 (which happens with everyone to some extent), I do not thing there has been a problem with SuperTech made by WarrenPP being a good product.
If you build a house to code (minimum standards) it will not fall down on your head in the middle of the night. Building above code might not save you from a Tornado either.
Thats is my point. The uncertainty of the product and the fact the brand names are sold in the US at fire sale prices anyway makes ST very unappealing to me as does any "house brand".
I may use it in an old junk if i was broke and turning every penny over twice before spending it.
I see posters saying things like "it meets the spec". Well a doctor who is last in his class but passed is still called doctor but i wouldn't want to go to him if you follow my reasoning.
The recycled stuff stuff meets spec also but no way in Hades am i putting that in my engine.
I stated my opinion and some don't like it but i could care less. Its their car and their money, it makes no difference to me.
If someone can post a link to the ST PDS i would like to read it, not warren or safety clean as we don't know if they didn't change the formula just for Walmart.
When you compare an oil, peel the label off. The label is not important, the oil inside is.
Warren PP is a very good oil, better than other brands and their products can be found in other "brands" such as Peak. In fact, a lot of its rebranded products are remarkably consistent. If you compare the actual product, then it would be a mute point. Sure, it is not as good as Mobil 1 Extended Performance, but for the price, it is the best non-sale option.
So if a Doc gets out of school, keeps his license in good standing, what is "wrong" about his practice? Unless you have the modifier "Senator" or are a VP of an oil company, chances are you are not getting the top-of-the-class treatment. Still, the application of oil is kinda like going the doctor for a sinus infection... very basic. Even then, being the best test-taker does not mean you are getting the best practical product. You think your mechanic you take your car to has a PhD in mechanical engineering and has passed his PE in the top 10%?
Standards are what ensures that something is consistent. Thus, that idea about walmart lacking consistency is out the window. The standards are there for a reason. Other than some mis-labled XXx30 (which happens with everyone to some extent), I do not thing there has been a problem with SuperTech made by WarrenPP being a good product.
If you build a house to code (minimum standards) it will not fall down on your head in the middle of the night. Building above code might not save you from a Tornado either.
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
If you build a house to code (minimum standards) it will not fall down on your head in the middle of the night. Building above code might not save you from a Tornado either.
You're right, but it might save you from winds higher than the minimum standards the other home was built to withstand. I'm pretty sure the point Trav is trying to bring out is for a little bit more $$ he'd rather have a better product that exceeds the specs. Will it make a difference? Maybe, and he's willing to pay up for it, as are others.
As far as the doctor analogy, I recently was forced into changing insurance companies which also meant changing doctors. My wife and I checked potential new doctors on the web based on their rating, a 5 being the best IIRC. I went with a doctor with a 5 star rating vs. one with a 4 or lower, why take chances?
PS I have no dog in this fight, and opinions vary.
If you build a house to code (minimum standards) it will not fall down on your head in the middle of the night. Building above code might not save you from a Tornado either.
You're right, but it might save you from winds higher than the minimum standards the other home was built to withstand. I'm pretty sure the point Trav is trying to bring out is for a little bit more $$ he'd rather have a better product that exceeds the specs. Will it make a difference? Maybe, and he's willing to pay up for it, as are others.
As far as the doctor analogy, I recently was forced into changing insurance companies which also meant changing doctors. My wife and I checked potential new doctors on the web based on their rating, a 5 being the best IIRC. I went with a doctor with a 5 star rating vs. one with a 4 or lower, why take chances?
PS I have no dog in this fight, and opinions vary.
wemay
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
If you build a house to code (minimum standards) it will not fall down on your head in the middle of the night. Building above code might not save you from a Tornado either.
You're right, but it might save you from winds higher than the minimum standards the other home was built to withstand. I'm pretty sure the point Trav is trying to bring out is for a little bit more $$ he'd rather have a better product that exceeds the specs. Will it make a difference? Maybe, and he's willing to pay up for it, as are others.
As far as the doctor analogy, I recently was forced into changing insurance companies which also meant changing doctors. My wife and I checked potential new doctors on the web based on their rating, a 5 being the best IIRC. I went with a doctor with a 5 star rating vs. one with a 4 or lower, why take chances?
PS I have no dog in this fight, and opinions vary.
Trav has a problem with supporting Walmart (no issue with that in my book). But, the only place you can find major synthetics on a consistent basis for 'only' $5-$9 more than ST is in...Walmart. So, using this argument, you'd still be supporting the retailer. Hyundai recommends 3 stars, I went with 4. Ill leave the 5 star oil for those doing extended drains.
Healthy banter is good.
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
If you build a house to code (minimum standards) it will not fall down on your head in the middle of the night. Building above code might not save you from a Tornado either.
You're right, but it might save you from winds higher than the minimum standards the other home was built to withstand. I'm pretty sure the point Trav is trying to bring out is for a little bit more $$ he'd rather have a better product that exceeds the specs. Will it make a difference? Maybe, and he's willing to pay up for it, as are others.
As far as the doctor analogy, I recently was forced into changing insurance companies which also meant changing doctors. My wife and I checked potential new doctors on the web based on their rating, a 5 being the best IIRC. I went with a doctor with a 5 star rating vs. one with a 4 or lower, why take chances?
PS I have no dog in this fight, and opinions vary.
Trav has a problem with supporting Walmart (no issue with that in my book). But, the only place you can find major synthetics on a consistent basis for 'only' $5-$9 more than ST is in...Walmart. So, using this argument, you'd still be supporting the retailer. Hyundai recommends 3 stars, I went with 4. Ill leave the 5 star oil for those doing extended drains.
Healthy banter is good.
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i thought hyundai was 6 months 3750 for severe drain
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
If you build a house to code (minimum standards) it will not fall down on your head in the middle of the night. Building above code might not save you from a Tornado either.
You're right, but it might save you from winds higher than the minimum standards the other home was built to withstand. I'm pretty sure the point Trav is trying to bring out is for a little bit more $$ he'd rather have a better product that exceeds the specs. Will it make a difference? Maybe, and he's willing to pay up for it, as are others.
As far as the doctor analogy, I recently was forced into changing insurance companies which also meant changing doctors. My wife and I checked potential new doctors on the web based on their rating, a 5 being the best IIRC. I went with a doctor with a 5 star rating vs. one with a 4 or lower, why take chances?
PS I have no dog in this fight, and opinions vary.
Above code for more intense usage makes sense. However, ST is "above code". Now, I would not use ST for track-days. For normal use, then it is more than fine. Codes vary and have changed. A "Supertech" SN/GL-5 is far better than say a car calling for SL. 90%+ of the vehicles on the road were spec-ed for older standards. Saying that Supertech is "iffy" is ridiculous because in most cases it is "over standard" to begin with.
When I "shop" for a Doctor, I care more about the medical school. I would rather have a "average" doc from known high-end school if I did not know them or have any prior knowledge. Yeah, I know that sounds hypocritical going by a doctor's label... but I spent/spending my life in higher education. So, if some non-BITOG average-joe did not know exactly what SuperTech might be, I don't fault them for buying something else. However, anyone who is slightly knowledgeable or at least knows how to read a VOA/UOA should at least realize that ST is a decent oil. The best, no, but very good on its own merits/price.
I do not use ST regularly. Not my dog either. Just dislike ignorance based on prejudices of the label/retailer.
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
If you build a house to code (minimum standards) it will not fall down on your head in the middle of the night. Building above code might not save you from a Tornado either.
You're right, but it might save you from winds higher than the minimum standards the other home was built to withstand. I'm pretty sure the point Trav is trying to bring out is for a little bit more $$ he'd rather have a better product that exceeds the specs. Will it make a difference? Maybe, and he's willing to pay up for it, as are others.
As far as the doctor analogy, I recently was forced into changing insurance companies which also meant changing doctors. My wife and I checked potential new doctors on the web based on their rating, a 5 being the best IIRC. I went with a doctor with a 5 star rating vs. one with a 4 or lower, why take chances?
PS I have no dog in this fight, and opinions vary.
Above code for more intense usage makes sense. However, ST is "above code". Now, I would not use ST for track-days. For normal use, then it is more than fine. Codes vary and have changed. A "Supertech" SN/GL-5 is far better than say a car calling for SL. 90%+ of the vehicles on the road were spec-ed for older standards. Saying that Supertech is "iffy" is ridiculous because in most cases it is "over standard" to begin with.
When I "shop" for a Doctor, I care more about the medical school. I would rather have a "average" doc from known high-end school if I did not know them or have any prior knowledge. Yeah, I know that sounds hypocritical going by a doctor's label... but I spent/spending my life in higher education. So, if some non-BITOG average-joe did not know exactly what SuperTech might be, I don't fault them for buying something else. However, anyone who is slightly knowledgeable or at least knows how to read a VOA/UOA should at least realize that ST is a decent oil. The best, no, but very good on its own merits/price.
I do not use ST regularly. Not my dog either. Just dislike ignorance based on prejudices of the label/retailer.
Have used 0W-20 Warren synthetic in Peak guise in my 2010 Camry often.
It seems to be great oil and quiets the Camry down compared to M1.
I use it in 5000 mile changes so I'm sure I'm not testing the limits of the oil.
Just for the record, Walmart is the devil but, hey, most everything else in this old world is too (state and federal government, healthcare providers, banks, TV networks, credit card companies, etc., etc., etc.).
It seems to be great oil and quiets the Camry down compared to M1.
I use it in 5000 mile changes so I'm sure I'm not testing the limits of the oil.
Just for the record, Walmart is the devil but, hey, most everything else in this old world is too (state and federal government, healthcare providers, banks, TV networks, credit card companies, etc., etc., etc.).
wemay
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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
i thought hyundai was 6 months 3750 for severe drain
SFS d.i. turbo:
3000 = severe
5000 = normal
i thought hyundai was 6 months 3750 for severe drain
SFS d.i. turbo:
3000 = severe
5000 = normal
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Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Sure, it is not as good as Mobil 1 Extended Performance, but for the price, it is the best non-sale option.
How do you know that? Why don't you post a spec sheet for Super Tech. I can look at one for Mobil 1 very easily.
Do any Super Tech oils have Dexos 1 or Honda HTO-06 approvals?
Lets start with that.
Sure, it is not as good as Mobil 1 Extended Performance, but for the price, it is the best non-sale option.
How do you know that? Why don't you post a spec sheet for Super Tech. I can look at one for Mobil 1 very easily.
Do any Super Tech oils have Dexos 1 or Honda HTO-06 approvals?
Lets start with that.
I shop at Walmart. To be honestly with all the oil deals out there, with a little smart shopping and oil hoarding there's never a need for me to even consider Super Tech oil.
Does this help?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
ST is listed there and it was tested. Link directly to ST results.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
ST is listed there and it was tested. Link directly to ST results.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm
It is a synthetic API SN/ ILSAC GF-5 for $17 bucks. Show me a non-sale similar grouped synthetic oil for less.
First of all Dexos1 is a license, not a standard. If a manufacturer PAYS for it, it can get it even if it is a synblend. Want to give GM $0.07 per qt for their Dexos1 logo?
Secondly, Honda HTO-06 is specified for Honda turbocharged vehicles as generic GF-5 fills are appropriate for service fills for non-turbo engines. Since nearly all hondas are not turbo-charged...
First of all Dexos1 is a license, not a standard. If a manufacturer PAYS for it, it can get it even if it is a synblend. Want to give GM $0.07 per qt for their Dexos1 logo?
Secondly, Honda HTO-06 is specified for Honda turbocharged vehicles as generic GF-5 fills are appropriate for service fills for non-turbo engines. Since nearly all hondas are not turbo-charged...
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Okay so no spec sheet, it doesn't meet manufacturers approvals for newer GM and many other cars. It doesn't matter how cheap it is if it doesn't meet the spec and Dexos is the new spec for GM.
Dexos is a spec not just a licence!
Originally Posted By: GM
That's why GM Powertrain engineers developed the dexos® engine oil specification
Anything else?
Dexos is a spec not just a licence!
Originally Posted By: GM
That's why GM Powertrain engineers developed the dexos® engine oil specification
Anything else?
Originally Posted By: rdalek
Does this help?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
ST is listed there and it was tested. Link directly to ST results.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm
Thanks. PQI confirmed it met the same standard requirements as did Mobil 1. Drives home the point today's synthetics of the same standard specs today are functionally equal. If we had not moved to Rotella T6 5W-40 to cover the diesel engines as well we would still be using it I guess.
Does this help?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
ST is listed there and it was tested. Link directly to ST results.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm
Thanks. PQI confirmed it met the same standard requirements as did Mobil 1. Drives home the point today's synthetics of the same standard specs today are functionally equal. If we had not moved to Rotella T6 5W-40 to cover the diesel engines as well we would still be using it I guess.
Wemay, I haven't used SuperTech oil for years, so I don't have a dog in this fight. Just remember that most of the anti-SuperTech rants on this thread are WalMart haters and they wouldn't buy any other brand of oil there either. The WalMart haters always come out in droves.
If you think it meets the spec of your car and the price is right, go ahead and use it. If it doesn't meet the spec of your car or if you think it's too expensive, don't use it. Just don't make your decision on a few posts that love it or bash it.
If you think it meets the spec of your car and the price is right, go ahead and use it. If it doesn't meet the spec of your car or if you think it's too expensive, don't use it. Just don't make your decision on a few posts that love it or bash it.
wemay
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Originally Posted By: Kruse
Wemay, I haven't used SuperTech oil for years, so I don't have a dog in this fight. Just remember that most of the anti-SuperTech rants on this thread are WalMart haters and they wouldn't buy any other brand of oil there either. The WalMart haters always come out in droves.
If you think it meets the spec of your car and the price is right, go ahead and use it. If it doesn't meet the spec of your car or if you think it's too expensive, don't use it. Just don't make your decision on a few posts that love it or bash it.
cheers!
Wemay, I haven't used SuperTech oil for years, so I don't have a dog in this fight. Just remember that most of the anti-SuperTech rants on this thread are WalMart haters and they wouldn't buy any other brand of oil there either. The WalMart haters always come out in droves.
If you think it meets the spec of your car and the price is right, go ahead and use it. If it doesn't meet the spec of your car or if you think it's too expensive, don't use it. Just don't make your decision on a few posts that love it or bash it.
cheers!
Originally Posted By: rdalek
Does this help?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
ST is listed there and it was tested. Link directly to ST results.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm
Those are PIQA tests, does the product actually meet Dexos-1 specs? I can't a spec sheet.
Does this help?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
ST is listed there and it was tested. Link directly to ST results.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm
Those are PIQA tests, does the product actually meet Dexos-1 specs? I can't a spec sheet.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: rdalek
Does this help?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
ST is listed there and it was tested. Link directly to ST results.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm
Those are PIQA tests, does the product actually meet Dexos-1 specs? I can't a spec sheet.
No clue. I just know that ST was tested as was a lot of other oils. If a person wants something to compare with, those tests compares test results to other oils including Mobil 1. One could take the results from ST and from Mobil 1 and compare the two. It's a start at least.
Something I learned a long time ago with computers. Manufacturers rarely test everything that is available to use. My computer uses a Gigabyte mobo and I use a ram that is not listed as approved. Thing is, the memory I use has the same timings and voltages as memory that is listed. I installed it and for the past two or three years, it has worked fine. So, I'm sure Honda, GM, Ford and other car makers don't test every single brand of oil that can be put in a car either. It doesn't mean that it doesn't work just fine, just that it wasn't tested. Same as Gigabyte didn't test the specific memory I am using, it still works and if it had a issue, it would have shown up by now for sure. Cars and computers are different but the point is, just because it wasn't tested doesn't mean it would not be safe to use.
That said, I use Castrol Synthetic in my car. Since that has worked well for me for a good long while, I wouldn't switch to ST or Mobil 1 either for that matter. Now if I bought a old beater and had no idea what oil was in it and wasn't to worried about the car, I'd put whatever made me feel good about it. I think someone else posted it this way. If they were going to put their car on a race track and do some bad things, they wouldn't use ST either. For general easy going use, if it's what you can find and/or afford, then use ST. I'd be surprised if it was any worse than any other oil.
What I see is folks with bad thoughts about Walmart more than the oil itself. If tests show ST is fine, then why bash the oil just because Walmart sells it? I don't like Sears either. I won't bash Sony for their electronics just because Sears sells them.
Originally Posted By: rdalek
Does this help?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
ST is listed there and it was tested. Link directly to ST results.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/supertech.htm
Those are PIQA tests, does the product actually meet Dexos-1 specs? I can't a spec sheet.
No clue. I just know that ST was tested as was a lot of other oils. If a person wants something to compare with, those tests compares test results to other oils including Mobil 1. One could take the results from ST and from Mobil 1 and compare the two. It's a start at least.
Something I learned a long time ago with computers. Manufacturers rarely test everything that is available to use. My computer uses a Gigabyte mobo and I use a ram that is not listed as approved. Thing is, the memory I use has the same timings and voltages as memory that is listed. I installed it and for the past two or three years, it has worked fine. So, I'm sure Honda, GM, Ford and other car makers don't test every single brand of oil that can be put in a car either. It doesn't mean that it doesn't work just fine, just that it wasn't tested. Same as Gigabyte didn't test the specific memory I am using, it still works and if it had a issue, it would have shown up by now for sure. Cars and computers are different but the point is, just because it wasn't tested doesn't mean it would not be safe to use.
That said, I use Castrol Synthetic in my car. Since that has worked well for me for a good long while, I wouldn't switch to ST or Mobil 1 either for that matter. Now if I bought a old beater and had no idea what oil was in it and wasn't to worried about the car, I'd put whatever made me feel good about it. I think someone else posted it this way. If they were going to put their car on a race track and do some bad things, they wouldn't use ST either. For general easy going use, if it's what you can find and/or afford, then use ST. I'd be surprised if it was any worse than any other oil.
What I see is folks with bad thoughts about Walmart more than the oil itself. If tests show ST is fine, then why bash the oil just because Walmart sells it? I don't like Sears either. I won't bash Sony for their electronics just because Sears sells them.
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