Supertech and other value point oils

[rstcso]

I'm jealous of all this talk about how smelly things are. Several years before the pandemic, I had a bad sinus infection and lost my sense of smell. It never returned. Even when cooking bacon, I have a sense of the bacon smell, but can't really smell it.

On the upside, picking up the dogs' poop on our morning walks is no biggy, although if my wife is with us, I have to walk quite a ways behind her.

 

[rondhol]

As long as the Supertech, Kirkland, Amazon basic oil has the same spec or approval, they are more less the same with the enxpensive oil. I feel pitty to people who overspent on overprice engine oil that mainly marketing, not measurable scientific data.

The difference between super expensive PAO oil and HC synthetic maybe observed if one do 40k miles OCI. With 10-20k OCI, I think there will be no difference.

I used Supertech for more than a decade, it works perfectly. I did 5-8k miles OCI.

 

[rondhol]

Marvel Mystery Oil! Been using it for years off and on in my fuel system it smells wonderful. But aside from the smell it actually does a good job of cleaning

Smell is personal, but Marvel is great as movies, not oil additives. Any oil additives only makes the engine oil worse. Change the balance, dilute the optimum ratio, etc. Just waste of money and make things worse

 

[tired]

As long as the Supertech, Kirkland, Amazon basic oil has the same spec or approval, they are more less the same with the enxpensive oil. I feel pitty to people who overspent on overprice engine oil that mainly marketing, not measurable scientific data.

The difference between super expensive PAO oil and HC synthetic maybe observed if one do 40k miles OCI. With 10-20k OCI, I think there will be no difference.

I used Supertech for more than a decade, it works perfectly. I did 5-8k miles OCI.

I'm glad you have had a good experience with low end oils. Not everyone does. I literally just posted a list a few posts above this of people who used high quality oils and still burned oil. You can't make blanket statements like that. Glad it's worked for you, but depending on your engine and how you drive, you won't have the same experience.

 

[sycamore]

I'm glad you have had a good experience with low end oils. Not everyone does. I literally just posted a list a few posts above this of people who used high quality oils and still burned oil. You can't make blanket statements like that. Glad it's worked for you, but depending on your engine and how you drive, you won't have the same experience.

I’m not sure I’m following your argument. If they’re burning oil with top-shelf oil at low OCIs then it sounds like it would have happened regardless of the quality of the base stocks. You shouldn’t notice a difference between Super Tech and a boutique oil at a low OCI, at least for most applications.

 

[tired]

I’m not sure I’m following your argument. If they’re burning oil with top-shelf oil at low OCIs then it sounds like it would have happened regardless of the quality of the base stocks. You shouldn’t notice a difference between Super Tech and a boutique oil at a low OCI, at least for most applications.

Well for a few examples (Subarus), these engines are known not to burn on boutiques. But burned on Valvoline EP and M1 EP. Experiment ongoing to see if it burns on M1 ESP but results promising so far.

 

[rondhol]

All group III or HC synthetic oil are more less the same if they are indeed certified API SP, regardless brands. If you want higher standard, any brands with actual Dexos1gen3 approval are good. I can say sometimes better than Amsoil or Redline with the same approval. Boutique oil are just rip off unless for specific applications like racing or brake in oil.
There is no reason to spend more but get less, just like what Lake Speed shows with Lab data. Supertech Dexos1g3 is better than Amsoil and Redline with the same spec.
I believe Science not Speculation and Marketing. Just big name does not mean bring a good deal

 

[tired]

All group III or HC synthetic oil are more less the same if they are indeed certified API SP, regardless brands. If you want higher standard, any brands with actual Dexos1gen3 approval are good. I can say sometimes better than Amsoil or Redline with the same approval. Boutique oil are just rip off unless for specific applications like racing or brake in oil.
There is no reason to spend more but get less, just like what Lake Speed shows with Lab data. Supertech Dexos1g3 is better than Amsoil and Redline with the same spec.
I believe Science not Speculation and Marketing. Just big name does not mean bring a good deal

LSJ's tests have been rehashed here so many times. If you think that 3 rips on a dyno and a $30 UOA is sufficient to make comparisons about the quality of an oil, then I'm sorry I don't know what to tell you. Enjoy your Napa synthetic. And Dexos is not a very strict approval either.

 

[Patman]

All group III or HC synthetic oil are more less the same if they are indeed certified API SP, regardless brands. If you want higher standard, any brands with actual Dexos1gen3 approval are good. I can say sometimes better than Amsoil or Redline with the same approval. Boutique oil are just rip off unless for specific applications like racing or brake in oil.
There is no reason to spend more but get less, just like what Lake Speed shows with Lab data. Supertech Dexos1g3 is better than Amsoil and Redline with the same spec.

That’s a bunch of nonsense that you wrote

 

[rondhol]

That’s a bunch of nonsense that you wrote

Show me the number if your super overprice expensive oil does a better job after few thousands miles. No number, just speculation and marketing
Choosing which car/engines is more important than minuscle gain from paying Marked up oil brands and eat the placebo EGO.

 

[rondhol]

This is just an example how Amsoil or Redline does not do any signifcant better jobs than cheaper oil. It is even a bit worse

 

[Glenda W.]

All group III or HC synthetic oil are more less the same if they are indeed certified API SP, regardless brands. If you want higher standard, any brands with actual Dexos1gen3 approval are good. I can say sometimes better than Amsoil or Redline with the same approval. Boutique oil are just rip off unless for specific applications like racing or brake in oil.
There is no reason to spend more but get less, just like what Lake Speed shows with Lab data. Supertech Dexos1g3 is better than Amsoil and Redline with the same spec.
I believe Science not Speculation and Marketing. Just big name does not mean bring a good deal

Lake provides some great information but ranking oils on wear from a single dyno run isn’t one of them. In fact when Lake was testing in HPL’s lab, oils with the same approvals tested differently especially in shear stability.

In my personal experience the biggest difference between brands is engine/piston cleanliness. I’ve never seen a difference in wear.

 

[rondhol]

I agree, but I don't believe the 2-3x pricier oil does significant better jobs in all respects. Doing $5 oil every 5k miles is way better than $10 oil every 10k miles, regardless it is PAO, GTL, or group iii with different additives formulations.

 

[Pablo]

I agree, but I don't believe the 2-3x pricier oil does significant better jobs in all respects. Doing $5 oil every 5k miles is way better than $10 oil every 10k miles, regardless it is PAO, GTL, or group iii with different additives formulations.

Way better how?

You can't prove that so your statement is exactly what you claim others are doing

 

[Patman]

This is just an example how Amsoil or Redline does not do any signifcant better jobs than cheaper oil. It is even a bit worse

That video doesn’t prove anything

 

[ATex7239]

This is just an example how Amsoil or Redline does not do any signifcant better jobs than cheaper oil. It is even a bit worse

This isn’t a good data to point to base decisions on unless this is your exact engine. He even says at the end of the video that you need to do your own testing to verify what is best for your application. It could be a budget oil like Supertech or it could be something else. You’re taking one small nugget from the video and using it to run wild with blanket assumptions.

 

[Nessism1]

I'm glad you have had a good experience with low end oils. Not everyone does. I literally just posted a list a few posts above this of people who used high quality oils and still burned oil. You can't make blanket statements like that. Glad it's worked for you, but depending on your engine and how you drive, you won't have the same experience.

Incorrect assumption.

If people have an engine that burns oil from new, that's a bad engine. It is not the oil's fault. And your mentioning these engines having run high quality oil from day one supports that.

I recently stocked up with Kirkland oil after their last sale, and I'm perfectly happy using it. My car burns no oil, and I change every 6 months due to short trip oil dilution. Buying expensive oil would be a waste with my use case.

 

[Panda87]

I’ve heard that Motul’s motorcycle oils smell amazing. Go check out Cycle Gear’s reviews on Motuls bike oils. I kid you not, a large percentage of them are about “the pretty red color” and “the amazing smell” with several reviewers saying they were tempted to taste it because of how good it smelled. I’m willing to bet these are the same voters that have eaten a Tide Pod or two…

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Ah yes this argument. Look some engines just have bad designs some are marginal and could use every little bit of help.
If im for example short tripping in the new honda 1.5t in the cord weather? Putting in "boutique" synthetics is a waste because of fuel dilution.
Older honda K engine? Or maybe non DI engine? I have no fuel dilution engine issues with mine and will run oil with loads of additives that resists oxidation.

 

[Panda87]

Incorrect assumption.

If people have an engine that burns oil from new, that's a bad engine. It is not the oil's fault. And your mentioning these engines having run high quality oil from day one supports that.

I recently stocked up with Kirkland oil after their last sale, and I'm perfectly happy using it. My car burns no oil, and I change every 6 months due to short trip oil dilution. Buying expensive oil would be a waste with my use case.

You do you! I’m glad you keep the oil in tip top shape over the OCI, but I simply can’t imagine changing my oil THAT often. I enjoy doing maintenance on my vehicles, but I enjoy using them just a bit more. There are guys that change oil on their Harleys every 2-3k…it’s a messy ordeal and I couldn’t fathom changing my oil every month! However, most of those guys are lame bar hoppers who ride the same 1-5 miles every bike night to pose and drink. So an oil change every 2-3k means once a year for them.