Stunning blow to electric car industry

[JeffKeryk]

Wall Street Journal, BBC, Barrens good, as far as New York Times, Washington Post, well known “agenda” based and biased that we can’t discuss in here.

I actually enjoy some of our discussions and I’m shocked that you included those two. Those two newspapers are editorial commentaries masquerading as news.

Respectfully, that's your opinion, which is fine. They are respected news organizations.
I offered a balanced source list.

 

[CKN]

Did anybody really think EV's were gunna go mainstream when you can't be dependable with electric grid dependability? 20'ish years ago rolling brown / black outs weren't thought of. Now it's "almost" normal. United States Energy should not be political. One side does this, then the other side does that. Stupid. Get one train of thought on how to keep the AMERICAN people supplied with dependable electricity and be done with it.

While this forum gnashes their teeth EV sales are growing-

• EV sales in the U.S. saw an increase of 60% year over year from 1 million in 2022 to 1.6 million in 2023.

https://www.marketwatch.com/guides/insurance-services/electric-vehicle-statistics-2024/
A record 1.2 million U.S. vehicle buyers chose to go electric last year, according to estimates from Kelley Blue Book, a Cox Automotive company. More specifically, 1,189,051 new electric vehicles (EVs) were put into service as the slow shift to an electrified future continued unabated. In 2023, the EV share of the total U.S. vehicle market was 7.6%, according to Kelley Blue Book estimates. That is up from 5.9% in 2022.
https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q4-2023-ev-sales/

TRY AGAIN!

 

[JeffKeryk]

While this forum gnashes their teeth EV sales are growing-

• EV sales in the U.S. saw an increase of 60% year over year from 1 million in 2022 to 1.6 million in 2023.

https://www.marketwatch.com/guides/insurance-services/electric-vehicle-statistics-2024/
A record 1.2 million U.S. vehicle buyers chose to go electric last year, according to estimates from Kelley Blue Book, a Cox Automotive company. More specifically, 1,189,051 new electric vehicles (EVs) were put into service as the slow shift to an electrified future continued unabated. In 2023, the EV share of the total U.S. vehicle market was 7.6%, according to Kelley Blue Book estimates. That is up from 5.9% in 2022.
https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q4-2023-ev-sales/

TRY AGAIN!

Don't confuse me with the facts!

 

[slo town]

I fat fingered my reply. Too much trouble to retype.

 

[CKN]

The point is they are growing- despite the naysayers that have been very anti EV from the beginning. Here is an even more interesting statistic-
Hybrid vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, and BEVs fell to 18.0% of total new light-duty vehicle (LDV) sales in the United States in the first quarter of 2024 (1Q24) from 18.8% in 4Q23, according to estimates from Wards Intelligence.

 

[daves87rs]

We simply don’t have the power grid for them yet. Heck, hot weather brings the grid a scare……

EVs will grow , just not a the forced pace right now.

If the government really wants to inch this along with companies dropping them- they might want to offer the automakers money to offset the losses…..

 

[dogememe]

The point is they are growing- despite the naysayers that have been very anti EV from the beginning. Here is an even more interesting statistic-
Hybrid vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, and BEVs fell to 18.0% of total new light-duty vehicle (LDV) sales in the United States in the first quarter of 2024 (1Q24) from 18.8% in 4Q23, according to estimates from Wards Intelligence.

I find most naysayers either have a lifestyle that isn't EV compatible (can't charge at home and/or at work, or super cold climate making for bad efficiency, or frequently drive 300+ miles one way). Meanwhile people that can either charge at home and/or at work, live in moderate or warmer climates, and drive regularly (what was the average people drive every day... 20 miles or something? all LOVE their EVs, me included.

 

[dogememe]

We simply don’t have the power grid for them yet. Heck, hot weather brings the grid a scare……

EVs will grow , just not a the forced pace right now.

If the government really wants to inch this along with companies dropping them- they might want to offer the automakers money to offset the losses…..

We need to invest in the cleanest, most cost effective long term, reliable power out there... nuclear. And invest in upgrading our grid for sure. Especially given that we are pushing for electrification of everything including major appliances that used to be gas, not just EVs. And because more and more datacenters doing heavy AI workloads are using oodles of power, all the time. However, I don't think it's all as dire as some people think. After all, most EVs are charged at night, when demand is generally lower.

 

[CKN]

I find most naysayers either have a lifestyle that isn't EV compatible (can't charge at home and/or at work, or super cold climate making for bad efficiency, or frequently drive 300+ miles one way). Meanwhile people that can either charge at home and/or at work, live in moderate or warmer climates, and drive regularly (what was the average people drive every day... 20 miles or something? all LOVE their EVs, me included.

If you don't have a life style/place of residence to make it EV ownership viable-that's perfectly understandable. More likely on this forum-it's resistance for change, new tech phobia, or dozens of other excuses.

I'd rather be driving a Crown Vic! LOL!

 

[dogememe]

If you don't have a life style/place of residence to make it EV ownership viable-that's perfectly understandable. More likely on this forum-it's resistance for change, new tech phobia, or dozens of other excuses.

I'd rather be driving a Crown Vic! LOL!

I have owned three Vics, and sometimes I get bored and look at the tools left in my garage (although I gave away or sold most of them already) and I browse Facebook Marketplace for Vics. But they're either all insanely overpriced or beat up or both. Often the people that own them after the police retire them treat them even worse. Lot of overlap with the G37 crowd, ick.

 

[alarmguy]

Here are current comparisons not 2022 comparisons in the OP

https://caredge.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and-sales

Also in the OP the correct number is 1.2 million EVs sold in 2023 not 1.6 million so that entire “story” is incorrect.

I wonder what the sales number would be if people weren’t given $7,500 in taxpayer money to buy one.
So far even with that sales are only up 11% this year over last year at this time. Tesla is down

 

[hrv]

and I see stellantis... has a new recall on hybrids that may cause a fire....

 

[demarpaint]

I'm hoping for the end of the EV mandate early in 2025. That will allow for better ICE and more time for the nowhere near ready grid to power all the EVs, electric heat, stoves, and hot water heaters we keep hearing about. With this heatwave people were having a hard enough time keeping their houses cool, maybe that will get sorted out first with improving the grid.

 

[4WD]

I'm hoping for the end of the EV mandate early in 2025. That will allow for better ICE and more time for the nowhere near ready grid to power all the EVs, electric heat, stoves, and hot water heaters we keep hearing about. With this heatwave people were having a hard enough time keeping their houses cool, maybe that will get sorted out first with improving the grid.

AI will need a bunch too …
Passed a Databank facility last week - Webe seein’ some big gens

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Ford has decided to repurpose an Ontario production plant it had originally intended to use solely for electric vehicles. Do not shoot the messenger.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lectric-vehicle-invest-gas-powered-truck.html

Why would we shoot the messenger when we knew the message was coming long before the sender did?

 

[IndyIan]

Pretty much as I thought. LOL

Any news agency will have some angle or bias, but as long as you look at where they are coming from, and what their readership's perspective is, you can figure out something close to the "honest truth" if you look at a few sources from the wide spectrum.

I still read some FOX news once in a while just to keep myself aware of what angle other people are seeing things reported from. I think FOX is terribly biased and caters to people's base emotions of greed and fear, but also I'm aware that lots of left news sources have their heads in the clouds and smug in their superiority, and there's no need to even consider other perspectives on an issue, also the left news does use its share of FUD as well to get eyeballs. Somewhere in the middle is usually where I think the reasonable truth is, YMMV.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

After all, most EVs are charged at night, when demand is generally lower.

I think you can probably only make that statement for residential charging, when people have returned home. Because plenty of charging happens during daylight when people are traveling, or work where there are free chargers, or stop at the mall which happens to have chargers, etc.

But what happens when you flood the system with additional load at night? Magically, demand is no longer lower at any time. And then that complicates things even further for power companies & their PM schedules, which forces additional capacity to be added/maintained…

Agree that nuclear, and lots of it, is the only way to efficiently manage both the massive need and massive variability in demand timing. Solar and wind are a false economy and not only overcomplicate the implementation, they are consistently proven to deliver mere fractions of their nameplate capacities due to the intermittent nature of their energy sources. OTOH, I think @OVERKILL posted that Bruce was at like 93% availability…

Case closed.

 

[Trav]

The point is they are growing- despite the naysayers that have been very anti EV from the beginning. Here is an even more interesting statistic-
Hybrid vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, and BEVs fell to 18.0% of total new light-duty vehicle (LDV) sales in the United States in the first quarter of 2024 (1Q24) from 18.8% in 4Q23, according to estimates from Wards Intelligence.

The point is some sales of ev only are declining. Waiting for the spin or claims of fake news.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/tesla-model-y-plummets-from-no-1-to-18-in-euro-sales-chart/

 

[CKN]

The point is some sales of ev only are declining. Waiting for the spin or claims of fake news.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/tesla-model-y-plummets-from-no-1-to-18-in-euro-sales-chart/

Don't know about Europe but in the U.S. Tesla has been basically the same vehicle several years running with no significant changes. Yes-they are becoming "stale". My statement isn't "fake" is it?

 

[IndyIan]

The point is some sales of ev only are declining. Waiting for the spin or claims of fake news.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/tesla-model-y-plummets-from-no-1-to-18-in-euro-sales-chart/

It does say a dockworkers strike has effected Tesla deliveries?