Study: New York ranks # 2 in residents moving away
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Moved to Texas from Buffalo NY a few years ago.
Doubled my income moving to Texas.
The property taxes on my home are 50 percent of what they were in NY, and my house in NY was valued less than my home in Texas.
Insurance for Auto stayed about the same, homeowner insurance dropped in half.
Gas prices are nearly $1.00 less per gallon every day than NY. Groceries are cheap. Electric is cheaper, so is natural gas.
Climate is fine.
Oh, and we don't pay state income Tax, so that saves me a couple grand a year as well.
Roads are like glass here compared to NY, pot hole central.
Doubled my income moving to Texas.
The property taxes on my home are 50 percent of what they were in NY, and my house in NY was valued less than my home in Texas.
Insurance for Auto stayed about the same, homeowner insurance dropped in half.
Gas prices are nearly $1.00 less per gallon every day than NY. Groceries are cheap. Electric is cheaper, so is natural gas.
Climate is fine.
Oh, and we don't pay state income Tax, so that saves me a couple grand a year as well.
Roads are like glass here compared to NY, pot hole central.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
^^^OK, but you might be the exception, as genetics do not predict that something HAS TO happen as far as maladies/diseases go.
ALL of the other males in my family have (and have had in past generations) high blood pressure, regardless of their physical state/fitness levels.
But I do not, even when out of shape, stressed, etc.
My chance of being in good (or even fair) health by 60 is zero. I'm more than 20 years away, and even now, there are days I can't get out of bed unaided.
^^^OK, but you might be the exception, as genetics do not predict that something HAS TO happen as far as maladies/diseases go.
ALL of the other males in my family have (and have had in past generations) high blood pressure, regardless of their physical state/fitness levels.
But I do not, even when out of shape, stressed, etc.
My chance of being in good (or even fair) health by 60 is zero. I'm more than 20 years away, and even now, there are days I can't get out of bed unaided.
^^^ I am SORRY to hear that.
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
New York ranks No. 2 in residents moving away: Study shows.
I thought New York was a decent place to live / work.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/new_york_moving_away_united_van_lines.html
I grew up in Queens, NY.
Don't care much for Manhattan and Staten Island, but there are 5 boroughs in NYC.
I went to college in way way way upstate NY.
I learned what an upstate NY winter is like.
I lived in Colorado from '95 through the end of '98.
Moved back to NYC at the end of '99, and worked there for ~7 years.
When the chance came up to change careers and move back to Colorado, I was all in.
If you are born and raised in NYC, you typically have a greater appreciation for the city than people who grew up far away from it, and moved to NYC for a career.
I love NYC and I know in my heart it's a great place to live, but there are huge issues that can't be solved. You can't make a place with large amounts of people living in a small area feel like a small spread out township. It's impossible.
All said and done, if you don't like living in a big city, stay as far away from NYC as you can.
I live in a tiny little podunk section of Colorado now, so that should give you some insight into how I've changed over the years.
Plus, NYC doesn't have mountains, like Denver does.
Though, I do really miss the ocean at times.
BC.
New York ranks No. 2 in residents moving away: Study shows.
I thought New York was a decent place to live / work.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/new_york_moving_away_united_van_lines.html
I grew up in Queens, NY.
Don't care much for Manhattan and Staten Island, but there are 5 boroughs in NYC.
I went to college in way way way upstate NY.
I learned what an upstate NY winter is like.
I lived in Colorado from '95 through the end of '98.
Moved back to NYC at the end of '99, and worked there for ~7 years.
When the chance came up to change careers and move back to Colorado, I was all in.
If you are born and raised in NYC, you typically have a greater appreciation for the city than people who grew up far away from it, and moved to NYC for a career.
I love NYC and I know in my heart it's a great place to live, but there are huge issues that can't be solved. You can't make a place with large amounts of people living in a small area feel like a small spread out township. It's impossible.
All said and done, if you don't like living in a big city, stay as far away from NYC as you can.
I live in a tiny little podunk section of Colorado now, so that should give you some insight into how I've changed over the years.
Plus, NYC doesn't have mountains, like Denver does.
Though, I do really miss the ocean at times.
BC.
BC,
Small podunk Colorado town is better than NYC.
Small podunk Colorado town is better than NYC.
It was #1 when I left NY.
NY is an amazing, beautiful place to visit, I'm from the 'North Country'. It's a horrible place to live though. I grew up in what was at the time the 2nd poorest county in the state.
Kestas
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Does the statistic of No. 2 in residents moving away take into account the people that move in? We may be seeing more of a "revolving door" in NY state than depletion of the population.
Has the sum total of the population in NY been in serious decline?
Has the sum total of the population in NY been in serious decline?
Originally Posted By: JustinH
Moved to Texas from Buffalo NY a few years ago.
Doubled my income moving to Texas.
The property taxes on my home are 50 percent of what they were in NY, and my house in NY was valued less than my home in Texas.
Insurance for Auto stayed about the same, homeowner insurance dropped in half.
Gas prices are nearly $1.00 less per gallon every day than NY. Groceries are cheap. Electric is cheaper, so is natural gas.
Climate is fine.
Oh, and we don't pay state income Tax, so that saves me a couple grand a year as well.
Roads are like glass here compared to NY, pot hole central.
I've lived in Texas my entire life (aside from 9 months in Wyoming) and every time I visit somewhere else it's nice but I'm glad I have here to come back to.
Moved to Texas from Buffalo NY a few years ago.
Doubled my income moving to Texas.
The property taxes on my home are 50 percent of what they were in NY, and my house in NY was valued less than my home in Texas.
Insurance for Auto stayed about the same, homeowner insurance dropped in half.
Gas prices are nearly $1.00 less per gallon every day than NY. Groceries are cheap. Electric is cheaper, so is natural gas.
Climate is fine.
Oh, and we don't pay state income Tax, so that saves me a couple grand a year as well.
Roads are like glass here compared to NY, pot hole central.
I've lived in Texas my entire life (aside from 9 months in Wyoming) and every time I visit somewhere else it's nice but I'm glad I have here to come back to.
JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: Kestas
Does the statistic of No. 2 in residents moving away take into account the people that move in? We may be seeing more of a "revolving door" in NY state than depletion of the population.
Has the sum total of the population in NY been in serious decline?
Interesting point. According to the wiki site, the populations of the two worst states, NJ and NY, and the two best states, NC and SC had populations as follows:
2000 Census:
NJ:8,414,350
NY:18,976,457
NC:8,049,313
SC:4,012,012
2010 Census:
NJ:8,791,894
NY:19,378,102
NC:9,535,483
SC:4,625,364
2014 Estimation (from the Census Bureau):
NJ:8,938,175
NY:19,746,227
NC:9,943,964
SC:4,832,482
So, if you calculate it, youll find that each state had population GROWTH. The stats are as follows:
2000-2010
NJ: +4.5%
NY: +2.1%
NC: +18.5%
SC: +15.3%
2010-2014 (actual and extrapolated to 10 year rate)
NJ: +1.7% (+4.15%)
NY: +1.9% (+4.74%)
NC: +4.3% (+10.7%)
SC: +4.5% (+11.2%)
So if you look at the percentages, the story is entirely different. In fact, NJ has stayed pretty consistent in population growth over the 2000-2010 and 2010-2014 period. NY has increased in population faster lately, implying some new influx of population. Meanwhile, NC and SC have had their growth slowed, likely due to lack of infrastructure, congestion, lack of jobs and the best opportunities for RE and other things. A mass influx of people, at double digit rates doesnt do good for ANY state. The ~50% of below average folks come to mooch too, and the growth is tough to manage, even if there is a lot of free space... Which gets destroyed by housing developments and mcmansions to the point where its not that great a place to live.
Its funny, I was recently in Nashville... and if you looked at the nice neighborhoods and towns (e.g. Franklin, Cool Springs, etc.), the neighborhoods that looked the nicest and were where Id desire to live, also cost what it costs in the NE to acquire a place in a nice town... And they were still high density, etc.
Does the statistic of No. 2 in residents moving away take into account the people that move in? We may be seeing more of a "revolving door" in NY state than depletion of the population.
Has the sum total of the population in NY been in serious decline?
Interesting point. According to the wiki site, the populations of the two worst states, NJ and NY, and the two best states, NC and SC had populations as follows:
2000 Census:
NJ:8,414,350
NY:18,976,457
NC:8,049,313
SC:4,012,012
2010 Census:
NJ:8,791,894
NY:19,378,102
NC:9,535,483
SC:4,625,364
2014 Estimation (from the Census Bureau):
NJ:8,938,175
NY:19,746,227
NC:9,943,964
SC:4,832,482
So, if you calculate it, youll find that each state had population GROWTH. The stats are as follows:
2000-2010
NJ: +4.5%
NY: +2.1%
NC: +18.5%
SC: +15.3%
2010-2014 (actual and extrapolated to 10 year rate)
NJ: +1.7% (+4.15%)
NY: +1.9% (+4.74%)
NC: +4.3% (+10.7%)
SC: +4.5% (+11.2%)
So if you look at the percentages, the story is entirely different. In fact, NJ has stayed pretty consistent in population growth over the 2000-2010 and 2010-2014 period. NY has increased in population faster lately, implying some new influx of population. Meanwhile, NC and SC have had their growth slowed, likely due to lack of infrastructure, congestion, lack of jobs and the best opportunities for RE and other things. A mass influx of people, at double digit rates doesnt do good for ANY state. The ~50% of below average folks come to mooch too, and the growth is tough to manage, even if there is a lot of free space... Which gets destroyed by housing developments and mcmansions to the point where its not that great a place to live.
Its funny, I was recently in Nashville... and if you looked at the nice neighborhoods and towns (e.g. Franklin, Cool Springs, etc.), the neighborhoods that looked the nicest and were where Id desire to live, also cost what it costs in the NE to acquire a place in a nice town... And they were still high density, etc.
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Does the statistic of No. 2 in residents moving away take into account the people that move in? We may be seeing more of a "revolving door" in NY state than depletion of the population.
Has the sum total of the population in NY been in serious decline?
Based on federal census data, the first decade of this century showed NYS as having the highest or 2d highest rate of population decline in the country. This isn't a revolving door, it's a mass exodus.
Does the statistic of No. 2 in residents moving away take into account the people that move in? We may be seeing more of a "revolving door" in NY state than depletion of the population.
Has the sum total of the population in NY been in serious decline?
Based on federal census data, the first decade of this century showed NYS as having the highest or 2d highest rate of population decline in the country. This isn't a revolving door, it's a mass exodus.
JHZR2
Staff member
Originally Posted By: KenO
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Does the statistic of No. 2 in residents moving away take into account the people that move in? We may be seeing more of a "revolving door" in NY state than depletion of the population.
Has the sum total of the population in NY been in serious decline?
Based on federal census data, the first decade of this century showed NYS as having the highest or 2d highest rate of population decline in the country. This isn't a revolving door, it's a mass exodus.
Really, then why does the census data I show just above show a net increase in NY population? Even if there is an "exodus" there is a population growth.
A mass exodus would imply net population decline, no?
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Does the statistic of No. 2 in residents moving away take into account the people that move in? We may be seeing more of a "revolving door" in NY state than depletion of the population.
Has the sum total of the population in NY been in serious decline?
Based on federal census data, the first decade of this century showed NYS as having the highest or 2d highest rate of population decline in the country. This isn't a revolving door, it's a mass exodus.
Really, then why does the census data I show just above show a net increase in NY population? Even if there is an "exodus" there is a population growth.
A mass exodus would imply net population decline, no?
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Interesting point. According to the wiki site, the populations of the two worst states, NJ and NY, and the two best states, NC and SC
NC is one of the best states? That doesn't surprise me. It is the nicest place I've visited outside of Canada (Chapel Hill). It is just a beautiful place and seemed extremely well kept, clean.....etc. I'd live there in a heartbeat.
Interesting point. According to the wiki site, the populations of the two worst states, NJ and NY, and the two best states, NC and SC
NC is one of the best states? That doesn't surprise me. It is the nicest place I've visited outside of Canada (Chapel Hill). It is just a beautiful place and seemed extremely well kept, clean.....etc. I'd live there in a heartbeat.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
NC is one of the best states? That doesn't surprise me. It is the nicest place I've visited outside of Canada (Chapel Hill). It is just a beautiful place and seemed extremely well kept, clean.....etc. I'd live there in a heartbeat.
Quiet you fool! They will all move down here!
Just kidding!
NC is one of the best states? That doesn't surprise me. It is the nicest place I've visited outside of Canada (Chapel Hill). It is just a beautiful place and seemed extremely well kept, clean.....etc. I'd live there in a heartbeat.
Quiet you fool! They will all move down here!
Just kidding!
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HHAHAHHAHA!!!
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
BC,
Small podunk Colorado town is better than NYC.
In some ways, but not in others.
We had a great Thai place in town that just closed down mid December.
Replaced with a coffee shop.
Makes me sad.
I still have these fantastic snow covered mountains to look at though.
Oh, and did I mention that there aren't 9 million other people living within 50 miles of me?
BC.
BC,
Small podunk Colorado town is better than NYC.
In some ways, but not in others.
We had a great Thai place in town that just closed down mid December.
Replaced with a coffee shop.
Makes me sad.
I still have these fantastic snow covered mountains to look at though.
Oh, and did I mention that there aren't 9 million other people living within 50 miles of me?
BC.
Kestas
Staff member
Thanks for digging that up, JHZR2. It confirms what I suspected. There are lots of young people that move to NYC for all the exciting things it has to offer. Once they get enough of it, age, or get married and want to raise a family, they move away. Demographics confirms this. Hence the "revolving door," and one-sided statistic of "#2 most people leaving the state."
Nothing wrong with that, it's just irresponsible to portray NY state as a place people are running away from.
Nothing wrong with that, it's just irresponsible to portray NY state as a place people are running away from.
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