Study: New York ranks # 2 in residents moving away
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Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
Hey I want you to go to Queens and tell me people are moving out. I CANNOT BACK OUT OF A SPACE WITHOUT SOMONE WALKING BEHIND ME ALL HOURS OF THE DAY!! Queens reminds me of Hong Kong a place I visited once. Please advise me where in NYC are they moving out ok? And are they taking the bed bugs with them?????
I know this is *really* difficult to understand for someone who lives in one of the burroughs, but there is a very large state attached to you.
A state that is bleeding population.
Hey I want you to go to Queens and tell me people are moving out. I CANNOT BACK OUT OF A SPACE WITHOUT SOMONE WALKING BEHIND ME ALL HOURS OF THE DAY!! Queens reminds me of Hong Kong a place I visited once. Please advise me where in NYC are they moving out ok? And are they taking the bed bugs with them?????
I know this is *really* difficult to understand for someone who lives in one of the burroughs, but there is a very large state attached to you.
A state that is bleeding population.
I have two kids and get that $2k tax credit plus a bit off my AGI for daycare reimbursement. (This keeps daycare providers honest about their income BTW.)
Maybe the states with zero tax liability are a great place to raise kids?
Plus the premise that someone exempt from federal income tax is not pulling their weight is faulty-- they play plenty of real estate tax to fund schools, state tax, and social security that gets dumped into the general fund anyway. If one wants to sort people as "givers" or "takers" there are many more than one dimension that need to be evaluated.
Maybe the states with zero tax liability are a great place to raise kids?
Plus the premise that someone exempt from federal income tax is not pulling their weight is faulty-- they play plenty of real estate tax to fund schools, state tax, and social security that gets dumped into the general fund anyway. If one wants to sort people as "givers" or "takers" there are many more than one dimension that need to be evaluated.
Originally Posted By: Danno
All that inbound migration from the south is taking care of that.
This can be a problem, for those of us to enjoy living in free states. Come one, come all...but don't vote your policies into office down here. The Carolinas are a great place to live for a reason...
All that inbound migration from the south is taking care of that.
This can be a problem, for those of us to enjoy living in free states. Come one, come all...but don't vote your policies into office down here. The Carolinas are a great place to live for a reason...
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Plus the premise that someone exempt from federal income tax is not pulling their weight is faulty-- they play plenty of real estate tax to fund schools, state tax, and social security that gets dumped into the general fund anyway. If one wants to sort people as "givers" or "takers" there are many more than one dimension that need to be evaluated.
When you aggregate taxes paid, and services enjoyed, it turns out that the majority of people in the US are takers. Most takers would vehemently deny this, after all, they pay taxes, but they just don't realize how much support they get from their Local, State and Federal Gov't.
Plus the premise that someone exempt from federal income tax is not pulling their weight is faulty-- they play plenty of real estate tax to fund schools, state tax, and social security that gets dumped into the general fund anyway. If one wants to sort people as "givers" or "takers" there are many more than one dimension that need to be evaluated.
When you aggregate taxes paid, and services enjoyed, it turns out that the majority of people in the US are takers. Most takers would vehemently deny this, after all, they pay taxes, but they just don't realize how much support they get from their Local, State and Federal Gov't.
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Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Plus the premise that someone exempt from federal income tax is not pulling their weight is faulty-- they play plenty of real estate tax to fund schools, state tax, and social security that gets dumped into the general fund anyway. If one wants to sort people as "givers" or "takers" there are many more than one dimension that need to be evaluated.
When you aggregate taxes paid, and services enjoyed, it turns out that the majority of people in the US are takers. Most takers would vehemently deny this, after all, they pay taxes, but they just don't realize how much support they get from their Local, State and Federal Gov't.
If you suddenly die at 65 and don't tap SS or medicaid you're ending a lifestyle of taking with one big giveaway.
Which begs the question, does the CEO of walmart give more in taxes than he takes, or, by virtue of directing his minions through poverty, take more than he gives?
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Plus the premise that someone exempt from federal income tax is not pulling their weight is faulty-- they play plenty of real estate tax to fund schools, state tax, and social security that gets dumped into the general fund anyway. If one wants to sort people as "givers" or "takers" there are many more than one dimension that need to be evaluated.
When you aggregate taxes paid, and services enjoyed, it turns out that the majority of people in the US are takers. Most takers would vehemently deny this, after all, they pay taxes, but they just don't realize how much support they get from their Local, State and Federal Gov't.
If you suddenly die at 65 and don't tap SS or medicaid you're ending a lifestyle of taking with one big giveaway.
Which begs the question, does the CEO of walmart give more in taxes than he takes, or, by virtue of directing his minions through poverty, take more than he gives?
Originally Posted By: Astro14
When you aggregate taxes paid, and services enjoyed, it turns out that the majority of people in the US are takers. ....
That's probably true, but I'm not sure you how would ever actually quantify it because of the way our byzantine tax code is constructed.
You can pump a lot of money into your local economy and get tax credits and deductions for doing it. Does that make one a giver or a taker?
Novel idea: reduce the size of government where it costs less to run, reevaluate all the handouts, and eliminate those that are unreasonable or no longer serve a purpose, and implement the Fair Tax to reduce or eliminate these perceived disparities.
When you aggregate taxes paid, and services enjoyed, it turns out that the majority of people in the US are takers. ....
That's probably true, but I'm not sure you how would ever actually quantify it because of the way our byzantine tax code is constructed.
You can pump a lot of money into your local economy and get tax credits and deductions for doing it. Does that make one a giver or a taker?
Novel idea: reduce the size of government where it costs less to run, reevaluate all the handouts, and eliminate those that are unreasonable or no longer serve a purpose, and implement the Fair Tax to reduce or eliminate these perceived disparities.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Which begs the question, does the CEO of walmart give more in taxes than he takes, or, by virtue of directing his minions through poverty, take more than he gives?
YES, THANK YOU!
I was going to point out all of the ultra-wealthy who pay NO taxes whatsoever, but still enjoy/use the benefits of whatever infrastructure is still left in this country, have to be labelled TAKERS (yes, even despite whatever low paying, working homeless/below the poverty line, 'service' jobs they "provide").
But of course, these maniacally greedy, would be monarchs can do NO WRONG according to most on here, and they will defend them vehemently, to the death, as 'givers'.
Which begs the question, does the CEO of walmart give more in taxes than he takes, or, by virtue of directing his minions through poverty, take more than he gives?
YES, THANK YOU!
I was going to point out all of the ultra-wealthy who pay NO taxes whatsoever, but still enjoy/use the benefits of whatever infrastructure is still left in this country, have to be labelled TAKERS (yes, even despite whatever low paying, working homeless/below the poverty line, 'service' jobs they "provide").
But of course, these maniacally greedy, would be monarchs can do NO WRONG according to most on here, and they will defend them vehemently, to the death, as 'givers'.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Which begs the question, does the CEO of walmart give more in taxes than he takes, or, by virtue of directing his minions through poverty, take more than he gives?
YES, THANK YOU!
I was going to point out all of the ultra-wealthy who pay NO taxes whatsoever, but still enjoy/use the benefits of whatever infrastructure is still left in this country, have to be labelled TAKERS (yes, even despite whatever low paying, working homeless/below the poverty line, 'service' jobs they "provide").
But of course, these maniacally greedy, would be monarchs can do NO WRONG according to most on here, and they will defend them vehemently, to the death, as 'givers'.
They pay taxes via the AMT or they earn the majority of income via capital gains which is taxed at a lower rate vs taxes on wages.
They also pay people (CPA's, Attorneys) big bucks to navigate the tax landscape.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Which begs the question, does the CEO of walmart give more in taxes than he takes, or, by virtue of directing his minions through poverty, take more than he gives?
YES, THANK YOU!
I was going to point out all of the ultra-wealthy who pay NO taxes whatsoever, but still enjoy/use the benefits of whatever infrastructure is still left in this country, have to be labelled TAKERS (yes, even despite whatever low paying, working homeless/below the poverty line, 'service' jobs they "provide").
But of course, these maniacally greedy, would be monarchs can do NO WRONG according to most on here, and they will defend them vehemently, to the death, as 'givers'.
They pay taxes via the AMT or they earn the majority of income via capital gains which is taxed at a lower rate vs taxes on wages.
They also pay people (CPA's, Attorneys) big bucks to navigate the tax landscape.
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Plus the premise that someone exempt from federal income tax is not pulling their weight is faulty-- they play plenty of real estate tax to fund schools, state tax, and social security that gets dumped into the general fund anyway. If one wants to sort people as "givers" or "takers" there are many more than one dimension that need to be evaluated.
When you aggregate taxes paid, and services enjoyed, it turns out that the majority of people in the US are takers. Most takers would vehemently deny this, after all, they pay taxes, but they just don't realize how much support they get from their Local, State and Federal Gov't.
I get nothing and, unless I decide to go full parasite and cook up a bogus disability, I have paid into Medicare and Social Security my entire life and will collect NOT A CENT.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Plus the premise that someone exempt from federal income tax is not pulling their weight is faulty-- they play plenty of real estate tax to fund schools, state tax, and social security that gets dumped into the general fund anyway. If one wants to sort people as "givers" or "takers" there are many more than one dimension that need to be evaluated.
When you aggregate taxes paid, and services enjoyed, it turns out that the majority of people in the US are takers. Most takers would vehemently deny this, after all, they pay taxes, but they just don't realize how much support they get from their Local, State and Federal Gov't.
I get nothing and, unless I decide to go full parasite and cook up a bogus disability, I have paid into Medicare and Social Security my entire life and will collect NOT A CENT.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I have paid into Medicare and Social Security my entire life and will collect NOT A CENT.
...what's your reasoning behind that?
Don't plan on living long enough?
I have paid into Medicare and Social Security my entire life and will collect NOT A CENT.
...what's your reasoning behind that?
Don't plan on living long enough?
Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I have paid into Medicare and Social Security my entire life and will collect NOT A CENT.
...what's your reasoning behind that?
Don't plan on living long enough?
My chance of seeing 60 is slim and my chance of seeing 65 is zero.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I have paid into Medicare and Social Security my entire life and will collect NOT A CENT.
...what's your reasoning behind that?
Don't plan on living long enough?
My chance of seeing 60 is slim and my chance of seeing 65 is zero.
Why, are you in poor health ?
^^^OK, but you might be the exception, as genetics do not predict that something HAS TO happen as far as maladies/diseases go.
ALL of the other males in my family have (and have had in past generations) high blood pressure, regardless of their physical state/fitness levels.
But I do not, even when out of shape, stressed, etc.
ALL of the other males in my family have (and have had in past generations) high blood pressure, regardless of their physical state/fitness levels.
But I do not, even when out of shape, stressed, etc.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Looks like I've moved from one dump hole (IL, #3) to another (MI, #14).
I'm just glad not to be paying $11K/year in property taxes.
Welcome to the hood...
The northern part of MI might be the only reason I stay....
At least IL did not have third world roads....starting to think my's wife's car due for struts again....
Looks like I've moved from one dump hole (IL, #3) to another (MI, #14).
I'm just glad not to be paying $11K/year in property taxes.
Welcome to the hood...
The northern part of MI might be the only reason I stay....
At least IL did not have third world roads....starting to think my's wife's car due for struts again....
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